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Scentables Roses: is this black spot?

Wobin — Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:11:46 GMT

I purchased 2 of th Girl Next Door Scentables Roses. They looked great in the first photo when I planted them. Now, a week later I see these spots in the second photo and wonder if they are black spot. Black spot seems closest to descriptions and photos online. I've removed all the spotted leaves and sprayed with a 3 in 1 product that includes disease coverage. Is there anything else I should do? I have 16 roses in the ground and haven't had to deal with black spot. I'm in zone 9 where it's generally dry although it rained yesterday and the pots were under the patio cover.

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jackthebear — Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:47:07 GMT

use google image search to get info

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amyb — Mon, 15 Apr 2024 23:19:30 GMT

I'm no expert, though that looks like something other than what I thought black spot looked like. But, if you have Facebook, post to Carolyn's page...she says she reads it all and either answers or gets someone to.

Or your local nursery should also be able to help.

Good luck...I hope you save it. Those roses looked beautiful in her show...I just was watching the rerun of it earlier today...they only had the pink ones left.

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OneHappyHiker — Mon, 15 Apr 2024 23:37:53 GMT

@Wobin On my computer, some of the leaves look like some rose rust. Look at pictures of rose rust since you can check your actual rose bush and see if that might be it. I had one entire little bush of apricot-colored roses devoured by some illness, all the leaves dropped, we were away at the time so I couldn't figure out what it was, then it came back to a beauty within the same growing season. Thank goodness! Good luck!

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odie96 — Tue, 16 Apr 2024 03:20:01 GMT

I grow roses and in looking at the pictures I think one of the problems is insect infestation. The picture where it looks like the "green" has faded off could posibly be a tiny bug eating that part off the leaf. Look at the back of the leaf to see if the little culprit is enjoying his snack. I can't think of his name right now. It's past my bedtime and I've had a busy day!!! I'll get back to this in the morning. You have a healthy plant and I think any of the problems can be corrected with a little help.....

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Wobin — Tue, 16 Apr 2024 15:52:42 GMT

@jackthebear wrote:
use google image search to get info

Thank you, I did and black spot seemed to be closest and not all of the spots on the examples were black as I expected.

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Wobin — Tue, 16 Apr 2024 15:54:19 GMT

@amyb wrote:
I'm no expert, though that looks like something other than what I thought black spot looked like. But, if you have Facebook, post to Carolyn's page...she says she reads it all and either answers or gets someone to.

Or your local nursery should also be able to help.

Good luck...I hope you save it. Those roses looked beautiful in her show...I just was watching the rerun of it earlier today...they only had the pink ones left.

Thank you, I'll do that. I wanted to try patio roses and got sucked in even though I had pledged no mail order plants except J&P roses!

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Wobin — Tue, 16 Apr 2024 15:55:07 GMT

@OneHappyHiker wrote:
@Wobin On my computer, some of the leaves look like some rose rust. Look at pictures of rose rust since you can check your actual rose bush and see if that might be it. I had one entire little bush of apricot-colored roses devoured by some illness, all the leaves dropped, we were away at the time so I couldn't figure out what it was, then it came back to a beauty within the same growing season. Thank goodness! Good luck!

I will look into rose rust, thank you for the suggestion.

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Wobin — Tue, 16 Apr 2024 15:56:19 GMT

@odie96 wrote:
I grow roses and in looking at the pictures I think one of the problems is insect infestation. The picture where it looks like the "green" has faded off could posibly be a tiny bug eating that part off the leaf. Look at the back of the leaf to see if the little culprit is enjoying his snack. I can't think of his name right now. It's past my bedtime and I've had a busy day!!! I'll get back to this in the morning. You have a healthy plant and I think any of the problems can be corrected with a little help.....

I did spray with a 3-in-1 that covers insects so I hope that does it. Thank you.

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rockyrose1 — Sat, 20 Apr 2024 01:38:01 GMT

@Wobin

If I had to guess, to me it looks like a disease. My first thought was Black Spot. It begins at the bottom leaves and works its way up. (so does Rust!) However, upon looking at it further, it could be Downy Mildew. Black spot and downy mildew can look very similar. With downy mildew the spotting runs along the veins of the leaves.

You mentioned that you had 16 roses in the ground. (I hope one day you will share names and photos!) I would be concerned that the spores from this bush could spread to any of your other bushes...depending on what it is...sometimes the wind can spread pathogens. Just in case, if you didn't clean your pruners, just use rubbing alcohol. Pruners easily spread disease.

I would definitely go to Carolyn's Facebook page. I, too, have heard her say that she reads all posts and if you have a problem or question she will help you. She is by far more of an expert and can better guide you, than probably most of us. Plus, she will know where the roses were grown.

Be grateful that you never had to deal with black spot. It is the worst disease to control. Though, since it is not a problem in your area, you should be able to get an early handle on it, if that is the problem. Keep in mind, that one spraying won't do. You must follow up with additional sprays. I always use the BioAdvanced Disease Control. It doesn't include an insecticide, which can kill bees, etc. I try to treat any insects as needed. e.g. Japanese Beetles I just flick them into a cup of soapy water. Unfortunately, wildlife can also become poisoned e.g. birds that eat poisoned insects become poisoned.

Good luck and please keep us updated so we all can learn from your experience!

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Wobin — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 05:27:13 GMT

Thank you for all the suggestions. I sprayed with Bonide Rose RX 3-in-1 and that really helped. I'm leaning toward Rose Rust but I'm not sure.

Here's a picture of it just after a light rain and starting to bloom.

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Nonametoday — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 05:46:45 GMT

It could be rose mosaic virus albeit, it does have some features of rust. In early spring, roses can display various diseases which, if treated early, can be arrested. Your selection of treatment is a good one. If it is rust, it should take care of it as long as you use it as directed and not overdo. I do believe the rose has rose mosaic but 75% of the roses on the market today have it, so not to worry. You will know in time.

I have beautiful climbing and rambling roses that are more than 20 years old and I have to take them all down and burn them. All my tea and hybrid tea roses are diseased as well, probably 25 roses. They have rose rosette disease. I have a Reve D'Or that is as big as a pickup truck and the blooms were so beautiful this year and then I have found it has RRD as do every rose in my garden and my New Dawns are 30 years old and span 15 feet wide and as tall. I am just sick about it but it is just a part of living and growing a garden. Probably not as devastating as farmers who lost all their potatoes in the famine of Ireland in the 1800s or the crops to boll weevils in the south and such as that but devastating to me.

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Lilysmom1 — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 08:52:00 GMT

@Nonametoday so sorry to hear you have you have to get rid of your roses. I would be so sad about that too.

I have extensive gardens and, until last year, I never had any roses. I added three dwarf knockout rose bushes last year and another two different bare root roses this year. The beavers ate one of my knockout roses. They flowered magnificently last year. I had always thought roses could be difficult and when I hear a story like yours it takes me back a step or two.

Will you grow roses again?

To the OP, I hope you can contain the damage. Please update us as requested so we can learn from your experience. @Wobin

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Nonametoday — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:52:32 GMT

@Lilysmom1 wrote:
@Nonametoday so sorry to hear you have you have to get rid of your roses. I would be so sad about that too.

I have extensive gardens and, until last year, I never had any roses. I added three dwarf knockout rose bushes last year and another two different bare root roses this year. The beavers ate one of my knockout roses. They flowered magnificently last year. I had always thought roses could be difficult and when I hear a story like yours it takes me back a step or two.

Will you grow roses again?

To the OP, I hope you can contain the damage. Please update us as requested so we can learn from your experience. @Wobin

@Lilysmom1 I will not be able to grow roses in my garden for 3 more years. I have to have the soil decontaminated and inspected by the county agent before I can grow roses again. Not everybody does that but I try to live by the rules and not get this mess started again. I am sure it came from a neighbor because she asked what it was and she did not dig hers up and burn it but left it in the ground until it finally died. This disease is carried through the air so you can see why a neighbor's might have given it to mine. I will likely plant something else in their place. They were so lovely and I probably will sell my house before another rose could reach that beauty. Waiting 3 years to plant and then 4-5 years for them to get that big. I once grew 500 roses in my garden but it became to much at our age and we eliminated many of them. I think this might be God's way of telling me that I am too old for roses. I did take pictures of them for posterity.

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Lilysmom1 — Wed, 01 May 2024 07:51:55 GMT

@Nonametoday what a shame. You have the right attitude though. Good luck with the switchover.

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Wobin — Fri, 10 May 2024 04:40:36 GMT

@Lilysmom1 I will not be able to grow roses in my garden for 3 more years. I have to have the soil decontaminated and inspected by the county agent before I can grow roses again. Not everybody does that but I try to live by the rules and not get this mess started again. I am sure it came from a neighbor because she asked what it was and she did not dig hers up and burn it but left it in the ground until it finally died. This disease is carried through the air so you can see why a neighbor's might have given it to mine. I will likely plant something else in their place. They were so lovely and I probably will sell my house before another rose could reach that beauty. Waiting 3 years to plant and then 4-5 years for them to get that big. I once grew 500 roses in my garden but it became to much at our age and we eliminated many of them. I think this might be God's way of telling me that I am too old for roses. I did take pictures of them for posterity.

Oh how sad this must have been for you. I am glad you have photos to remember their beauty.