topic Re: Super hardy Roses? in Garden

Super hardy Roses?

violann — Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:25:13 GMT

I’m looking for some really hardy rose bushes for my new yard. We left our old home too quickly to bring some of my rose bushes here, and of all the planting’s I left, I miss my roses the most.

Someone had mentioned “Star Roses” to me, but I"m interested in anything that will survive loving neglect. I had several different varieties in my old home, and they were troopers.

Suggestions welcome!

Re: Super hardy Roses?

godi — Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:17:18 GMT

Knock out roses worked well for us. They bloomed the first year.

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JustJazzmom — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:50:28 GMT

Look at Drift roses as well as any of the Knockouts. These are all disease resistant.

Look at Kordes roses too or ‘German bred’ on some websites. Star Roses is now the licensed distributor in the US for Kordes roses so we may see more of them in more nurseries.

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yellowrose — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 18:29:22 GMT

jazz, I just saw Drift roses at my nursery yesterday. First I heard of them.

I had no intention of buying a rose bush, but I just couldn't leave without one.

Was tough to choose a color. I stepped out of my yellow or pink box and

got a red one. I think I need the coral also.

violann - I love my knockouts. So easy. And now I'm looking forward to seeing my

Drift in full bloom.

Re: Super hardy Roses?

JustJazzmom — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 21:59:59 GMT

Drift roses can also be trained as groundcover roses. Take the supple green canes & peg them to the ground with landscape stakes. The roses will start to bloom along those canes. If you let them go without being pegged, they will just be low growing shrub roses.

Re: Super hardy Roses?

Nonametoday — Fri, 23 Mar 2018 23:26:02 GMT

@JustJazzmomwrote:
Look at Drift roses as well as any of the Knockouts. These are all disease resistant.

Look at Kordes roses too or ‘German bred’ on some websites. Star Roses is now the licensed distributor in the US for Kordes roses so we may see more of them in more nurseries.

@JustJazzmom

JJM, none of the German bred do well in the south. Not sure where the OP lives, but zone is everything.

Re: Super hardy Roses?

GingerPeach — Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:09:53 GMT

Not to be too picky, since I think the OP is just looking for roses that will grow well and without much trouble in her area, but "hardy" in horticulture actually means resistant to frost and is used for plants that won't be killed by winter cold.

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JustJazzmom — Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:34:40 GMT

@Nonametoday Even their Sunbelt ones? Like Savannah or Plum Perfect? Do they need partial shade during the day if you use them?

I have both those mentioned & they get sun all day on zone 7 here on LI. They do well. I agree that proper zone placement is important & it’s wise to contact local Rosarians to find out what does well in your area.

Anecdote: Francis Meilland according to some Rosarians here doesn’t do well, but at my house it is doing well. Don’t know what I’m doing right but it is in Southern exposure and gets fed monthly during the growing season. It took 2 years to establish but it has fragrant blooms.

Here are blooms:

Re: Super hardy Roses?

Trix — Thu, 05 Apr 2018 23:27:51 GMT

@violann Easy Elegance Drift roses are fast becoming a favorite of mine. They grow fast and are very resistant to disease and insects. They have also proven to be quite winter hardy using only mounds of mulch for cover. Of course for fast development and many blooms the first year you have to add a couple of Knockouts to your new rose garden. Since you have grown roses before I would also recommend adding a couple of David Austins to your new garden. When mature they are magnificent. The Austins require a lot of pampering during the season and extra protection over winter if you are in Zone 5 or lower. The first year won't be the best for them, but in two or three years you won't regret the decision to plant them. The blooms are show quality, and the scent OMG!

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Grade1Teach — Thu, 05 Apr 2018 23:52:58 GMT

Double Knock-Out Roses.

We moved to our new home two years ago this coming June. Last year, we had new gardens installed and the Double Knock-Outs were among those placed in the front. They bloomed profusely and I didn't have to do a thing to them. They are forming buds now and I'm very excited. I can't wait to see how they do this year.

I don't think you can go wrong with them.

Re: Super hardy Roses?

JustJazzmom — Fri, 06 Apr 2018 03:24:38 GMT

@Grade1Teach If they get too tall, you can cut them back by half now. Trim any dead or crossing branches. Knock Outs do bloom on their tips. I try to keep my Double Knock Out under 4’. I pruned mine before our last nor’easter.

The Austins are not as disease resistant as the Knock Outs. Look at Queen of Sweden among the Austins.

When buying roses, look for ‘excellent disease resistance’ in the online descriptions.

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violann — Sat, 07 Apr 2018 14:18:26 GMT

So many thanks to all of you who took your time to give me this help!

We are still living within the threat of snow and it warms my heart to think about shopping for roses to brighten my new yard.

I’m going to print out ALL of your suggestions to take with me to my local garden stores.

Please know, if you have posted here, that your help has meant the world to me.

Re: Super hardy Roses?

skuggles — Sun, 08 Apr 2018 23:59:32 GMT

Drift roses and knoock outs are susceptible to a virus called rose rosette disease. I had three knockouts and all of them had it. Two dies rather quickly a few years. The third will probably die this year. They were stunning before they got it when they matured.

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JustJazzmom — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 01:25:04 GMT

@skuggles wrote:
Drift roses and knoock outs are susceptible to a virus called rose rosette disease. I had three knockouts and all of them had it. Two dies rather quickly a few years. The third will probably die this year. They were stunning before they got it when they matured.

Actually all cultivated roses are subject to this virus. You need to be aware of the symptoms — a ‘witches broom’ of stems that remain red and do not turn green or woody colored over time. Blooms will be smaller than normal on virus affected roses. You may see excessive thorniness on the stems as compared to other parts of the plant. One side of the rose may be affected & the other side ‘normal’.

Google for photos to see the symptoms.

When any of these symptoms occur, you must remove the entire rose plant (do not leave any roots behind & toss the rose out.) You May be able to replant in that area as the virus lives in the plant itself & not the soil.

RRD (rose rosette disease) is spread by mites that come from wild roses. It is affecting many roses throughout Texas & NC. I have seen it on LI on a polyantha rose, a Hot Cocoa, a Double Knockout & a Fairy rose. All were removed and tossed out & were in 2 public gardens & one private garden.

RRD can also mimic chemical RoundUp damage so be very sure before trashing. Ask your neighbors if they used RoundUp or glyphosate in their garden on a windy day.

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skuggles — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 01:28:47 GMT

@ Jazzmon https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/10/rose-rosette-disease/7566221/

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JustJazzmom — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 02:22:26 GMT

@skuggles, the article describes what I mentioned.

Those of us who grow Knockouts, notice that aphids do not go near them.

I do wonder with the extreme hurricanes we have experienced in recent years if they are a contributing factor to the spread of the mites.

The link in that USA Today article (at the end) is not a working link to info about RRD.

But this one is with color photos: http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheet/frequently-asked-question-about-rose-rosette-virus/

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JustJazzmom — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 02:24:33 GMT

This article is written by Ann Peck, one of the leading researchers of RRD:

http://www.rose.org/rose-care-articles/rose-rosette-disease-sadly/

Re: Super hardy Roses?

skuggles — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 02:30:41 GMT

Yes, I'm quite familiar with it. That's why it is not a good recommendation imo.

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kathya1119 — Tue, 10 Apr 2018 13:09:37 GMT

Any rose will be susceptible to rose rosette disease. It's transmitted by a mite blown in by the wind. Wild stands of rugosa roses are the common hosts. Once there's one infected rose in your garden, the rest of your garden is at risk. Dig up the infected rose as soon as you see affected foliage and dispose of it.