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Advice Needed re WEN

dulwich — Wed, 22 Jul 2015 23:48:05 GMT

I have fine curly hair - can get frizzy and read Albany's blog today re curly hair and decided to try her way of handling curly hair - need to ask should I stay with all one product of WEN - e.g. Six Thirteen cleanser, styling cream and mousse / or can you mix products? Any re commendations for cleanser, styling cream, mousse gratefully received. Never used WEN advice needed as it is not cheap. Thank you.

Re: Advice Needed re WEN

DoxieMomma — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 00:10:05 GMT

If I were you, I would try the product recommender on Chaz's website (chazdean dot com). It will give you the best options for your hair type and is generally pretty accurate.

You can use whatever products you like, in whatever way works best for you. If you've never tried Wen, start with the cleansing conditioner (CC) and work your way out from there. If you already have styling products that you use and like, you can incorporate those into your routine before you go "all Wen". You can most definitely mix and match different Wen formulas with various ancillary products.

My hair is fine in texture, but thick, tends to be a bit wavy. For cleansing, I love any combo of Tea Tree, Sweet Almond Mint, Lavender or Cucumber Aloe, with an occasional seasonal formula thrown in. I very rarely use 613. I like both the mousse and styling cream, and use the Lavender ones most often.

Re: Advice Needed re WEN

Hilary77 — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 01:10:24 GMT

I agree with DoxieMomma, the recommender on Chazdean.com is great for getting a recommendation for a cleansing conditioner. The seasonals are also a great place to start because they are universal. I think you could use any of the scents for styling etc. They all work pretty much the same on my hair. I read Albany's post. She uses the cleansing conditioner as a leave in followed by the styling creme and the mousse. I think the summer coconut lime verbena styling creme and mousse duo is still available. There is also a great coconut lime verbena three piece set that includes the cleansing conditioner, replenishing mist and oil. The oil is great for adding in with the styling creme for extra frizz control. You can also use it to smooth flyaways as a finisher. The mist is great to refresh your curls. The oil is also great to use as an overnight scalp treatment. These two sets would be a great place to start if you want to go all in. If you are wanting to take it slower, just start with the cleansing conditioner. However, you can return items to qvc if you decide they are not for you. Good luck!!!

Re: Advice Needed re WEN

sonechko — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 04:20:20 GMT

I could suggest either going with Chaz Recommender and what ever core CC is best for you. But I more would tend to recommend a seasonal Cleansing Conditioner now available - Summer Honey Peach. It is pretty much universal, did not see anyone posting anything negative about it, regardless of what different type of hair people have. It is moisturizing, leaves the hair tangle free and bouncy, and it smells great! 16 ounces or 32 oz are available untill the end of summer.

Re: Advice Needed re WEN

yisbuff2 — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 02:02:44 GMT

My hair is also fine and curly, and I have a medium amount of it, so if something doesn't work I can see it in lank hair with a fuzz halo. Use that recommender! It is a great place to start. You can also go based on what you think my smell good and start from there. I watched Wen for months before ever trying anything, but when I saw Winter Vanilla Mint I had to go for it! My experience was that I had to try a few, and all were good except one spring formula that isn't even available anymore, but the Bamboo Green Tea and the Mandarin Italian Fig are like magic.

For what it is worth, I used Wen for a year before trying any of the other products. I used my previous hair products instead, and they worked even better with Wen. I sort of needed to prove that the price was worth it myself. IT IS!! Now I'm playing with the styling products and enjoying it.

On the price tip, I'm not finding that I'm actualy spending that much more on balance. I cleanse less, my hair requires fewer trims. At this exact moment I am indulging myself in trying a few things that I do not actually need and just want, so that is a few pennies, but if I strictly went on need I find it to be a little more than salon quality products I was purchasing at Ulta. I am not, however, ever impulse buying things to cheat good hair rather than actually having good hair.

Enjoy the journey!

Re: Advice Needed re WEN

dulwich — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 03:31:34 GMT

Thank you so much for all the help. I checked the help on Chazdean.com as suggested and it came up Lavender -so this is a good place to start. Ladies your help is invaluable thank you all. Now starting my WEN journey!

Re: Advice Needed re WEN

Drythe — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 04:04:53 GMT

@dulwich wrote:
Thank you so much for all the help. I checked the help on Chazdean.com as suggested and it came up Lavender -so this is a good place to start. Ladies your help is invaluable thank you all. Now starting my WEN journey!

dulwich

Come on back and visit!

Re: Advice Needed re WEN

Hilary77 — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 04:13:33 GMT

@dulwich wrote:
Thank you so much for all the help. I checked the help on Chazdean.com as suggested and it came up Lavender -so this is a good place to start. Ladies your help is invaluable thank you all. Now starting my WEN journey!

Lavender and tea tree are my favorites in the core line. I started my journey with lavender and never looked back. I hope you love it! Good luck and keep us posted on how it goes.

Re: Advice Needed re WEN

Caitlinh429 — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 04:53:58 GMT

@dulwich

I'd also like to point you in the direction of some kits that QVC offers. They are great to try out the various formulas!!!

#A267437

Includes:

16-fl oz Sweet Almond Mint Cleansing Conditioner
Eight 2-fl oz packs of Cleansing Conditioner in Sweet Almond Mint, TeaTree, Fig, Cucumber Aloe, Lavender, and Pomegranate

#A217139

16 oz Sweet Almond Mint cleansing conditioner
16 oz Tea Tree cleansing conditioner
16 oz Pomegranate cleansing conditioner
16 oz Lavender cleansing conditioner

Re: Advice Needed re WEN

Susan25 — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:12:20 GMT

@CaitlinH wrote:
@dulwich

I'd also like to point you in the direction of some kits that QVC offers. They are great to try out the various formulas!!!

#A267437
Includes:
16-fl oz Sweet Almond Mint Cleansing Conditioner
Eight 2-fl oz packs of Cleansing Conditioner in Sweet Almond Mint, TeaTree, Fig, Cucumber Aloe, Lavender, and Pomegranate

#A217139
16 oz Sweet Almond Mint cleansing conditioner
16 oz Tea Tree cleansing conditioner
16 oz Pomegranate cleansing conditioner
16 oz Lavender cleansing conditioner

I agree that purchasing either one of these kits would be a great place to start. Since you already took the recommender you probably try the lavender. Although I find it interesting that you got recommended lavender since I didn't like it at all and found it very drying even though I have very normal hair, not thick, curly, fine, etc.

Re: Advice Needed re WEN

bebe777 — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:03:33 GMT

@CaitlinH wrote:
@dulwich

I'd also like to point you in the direction of some kits that QVC offers. They are great to try out the various formulas!!!

#A267437
Includes:
16-fl oz Sweet Almond Mint Cleansing Conditioner
Eight 2-fl oz packs of Cleansing Conditioner in Sweet Almond Mint, TeaTree, Fig, Cucumber Aloe, Lavender, and Pomegranate

#A217139
16 oz Sweet Almond Mint cleansing conditioner
16 oz Tea Tree cleansing conditioner
16 oz Pomegranate cleansing conditioner
16 oz Lavender cleansing conditioner

dulwich, welcome to the Wen foruma nd the wenderful world of Wen!!!

FYI, this is a "kitchen sink" kind of post and may be too much info for you to look through. In post #12 which follows this post, I've listed my top three intro/cost effective suggestions.

Caitlin, made some great suggestions about excellent value variety packs. These are two recent featured price options from last month:

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On thursday (6/25), two of the kits in the photos below were OTOs and are still available at crazy good prices (about $5 more than the OTO prices):

* Wen OTO - 16oz BGT & MIF Cleansing Conditioner Duo -- WEN by Chaz Dean Set of 2 Cleansing Cond. w/Rice Protein (A267689) -- Bamboo Green Tea (BGT) and MIF CC Duo -- probably in the 16oz size -- The current featured price for this Duo is $44.46.

* Wen OTO - better than gallon price!! - 16oz SAM CC & (8) 2oz Variety CC Travel Packs... -- WEN by Chaz Dean 16oz. Cleansing Conditioner w/ Travel Packs (A267437) -- 16oz Sweet Almond Mint (SAM) CC, along with (8) 2oz Variety CC travel pacquettes -- Variety option includes: 2 each of Sweet Almond Mint (SAM) and Pomegranate (POM), plus one each of Tea Tree (TT), Fig (FIG), Lavender (LAV), and Cucumber Aloe (CA). -- The current featured price for this kit is $39.86.

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These are some additional suggestions in the Wen 101 (message #27) thread.

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BEST WEN KITS FOR OVERALL VALUE ON QVC

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NOTE: this information has not been updated since August 2014, so some prices have changed. I will be updating this information later this summer. Most (if not all) of these Wen kits are still a good value. -- That said, your best bet is to do your own calculations to make sure that the savings info is still accurate. -- bebe

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Re-Moist Mask & Treatment Oil Duo (A221390) -- $79.50

* 4oz. Re-moist (reg: $58) & 4oz. Treatment Oil (reg: $54)

* Wen - 4 oz. Re-Moist & 4 oz. Treatment Oil Duo for $79.50 is finally back in stock!!!

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The Wen TSVs and June Gallons give the best value on Wen products. This hot link to Wen TSVs going back to December 2009 -- items in TSV kits and prices will give you a sense as to what types of Wen TSVs are offered at various times of the year.

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Best Values for Cleansing Conditioner Multi-Packs - only one S&H charge - as compared to individual bottles of cleansing conditioner

* Regular price - individual CC bottle + S&H -- $35.22 (16oz) / $56.72 (32oz)

* 16oz (A89153) -- $29 + $6.22 S&H / 32oz (A238707) -- $49.50 + $7.22 S&H

4-pc. Deluxe Cleansing Conditioner Set (A217139) -- $84.00

* (4) 16 oz. bottles (SAM, TT, LAV & POM)

-- cost per bottle, including $8.97 (S&H) -- $23.24 (16oz) / $46.48 (32oz)

Cleansing Conditioner Trio, 16 oz. (A81171) -- $71.00

* (3) 16 oz. bottles:

a) Coarse/Thick Hair (TT, FIG & LAV)

b) Fine/Medium Hair (SAM, LAV & CA)

-- cost per bottle, including $8.47 (S&H) -- $26.49 (16oz) / $52.98 (32oz)

Sweet Almond Mint & Tea Tree Duo (A188267) -- $40.00

* (2) 16 oz. bottles of SAM & TT CC

-- cost per bottle, including $7.22 (S&H) -- $23.61 (16oz) / $47.22 (32oz)

Sweet Almond Mint and Pomegranate Duo (A215608) -- $40.00

* (2) 16 oz. bottles of SAM & POM CC

-- cost per bottle, including $7.22 (S&H) -- $23.61 (16oz) / $47.22 (32oz)

Six Thirteen and Fig Hydrating Cleansing Duo (A238233) -- $43.92 (FP)

* (2) 16 oz. bottles of 613 & FIG CC

-- calculations below are for featured price ($43.92) / QVC reg. price: $48.50

-- cost per bottle, including $7.97 (S&H) -- $25.95 (16oz) / $51.89 (32oz)

Price Calculations for Cost of Cleansing Conditioner Portion of TSVs

* assuming you were *just* buying the TSVs for the Cleansing Conditioner portion, below I've calculated the how 16 oz. & 32 oz. of CC *plus* S&H costs out in the various kits (and there is just a single S&H charge for each multi-piece TSV):

* Spring & Fall TSVs -- $60 + $8.50 S&H - 48 oz. total CC -- $22.83 / $45.66

* December TSV -- $80 + $10 S&H - 80 oz. total CC -- $18 / $36

* June Gallons -- $177 + $8 S&H - 128 oz. total CC -- $23.13 / $46.26

-- Wen gallons - for those new to Wen, there are kits & TSVs that are equally cost effective

Regular price for bottles of Cleansing Conditioner + S&H -- $35.22 / $56.72

* 16oz (A89153) -- $29 + $6.22 S&H / 32oz (A238707) -- $49.50 + $7.22 S&H

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This info needs to be reworked:

WEN by Chaz Dean Summer Honey Peach 3-pc Collection (A257311) -- $39.96

* SHP 16 oz. CC, 2oz. RTM & 1oz. Oil

* $39.96 featured price (on 6/28) / $44.50 regular price

* jpie's Cost Comparison of SHP

Note: currently SOLD OUT. -- Wen - Summer Honey Peach 3-pc Collection is available (16oz. CC, 2oz. RTM & 1oz. Oil) -- They brought in 26,000 kits and at the end of the show there were only 3,500 kits left. On June 28th, The Seasonal 3-pc kits were sold out. This Seasonal kit doesn't usually come back in stock that soon (if at all). So if you want this kit, you may want check on the item number (A257311) regularly because if/when it comes back in stock it will probably sell out quickly (maybe in a few days).

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And as Drythe said, make sure you come back soon and let us know how your Wen experience is going!!

-- bebe

Re: Advice Needed re WEN

bebe777 — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:13:33 GMT

dulwich, these three options below are probably the simplest way to dive into Wen.

Sweet Almond Mint (SAM), Tea Tree (TT) and Pomegranate (POM) are among the formulas considered to be universal which means that they seem to work for most people.

Some people don't really like the TT scent. It's a bit medicinal but tea tree oil is anti fungal and antibacterial which makes for a healthy scalp. -- A number of people don't like the POM scent that much (includeing me), but it works for most people.

What is great about these three kits is that they are all around $40 (plus $3 S&H) which makes them all an affordable way to try Wen. Since these three formulas work for most people, they will probably work for you. If you like them, then you can venture out into other Wen lines.

Also, I'd recommend just starting with the Cleansing Conditioners. find out how they work for you and then come back for styling products. A lot of Wenners just started out by using the Cleansing Conditioner. (CC)

Make sure you add a dime size (to a Quarter size) pump of CC back into your hair as a leave in. Only apply from below the scalp line to the ends. Don't worry, it won't make your hair greasy. I have thin/fine hair and a very oily scalp, so it took me 4 months before I finally applied the leave in.

While I really like the product reccomender feature at Chaz's site, for me personally, it hasn't been that effective. I have thin/fine hair and according to the recommender lavender CC is my best option. Unfortunately, LAV leaves my hair dry and frizzy. In the Core/Classics line my hair does much better with TT which is not one of the ones recommended for my hair. -- From what I've read, while the recommender does work for some people it leaves others puzzled.

btw, feel free to ask as many questions as you need to.

-- bebe

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Sweet Almond Mint & Tea Tree Duo (A188267) -- $40.00

* (2) 16 oz. bottles of SAM & TT CC

Sweet Almond Mint and Pomegranate Duo (A215608) -- $40.00

* (2) 16 oz. bottles of SAM & POM CC

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Key Wen links ---- WEN (the QVC Wen forum) --- Wen 101 --- Wen FAQ - the key Wen links -- Wen Abbreviations Glossary ---- Chaz streaming video on Periscope -- Spoke to Chaz on periscope ---- What Cleanser Did You Use Today? -- What Wen products did you use up, or open this week? ---- Benefits of Oils -- What is your Most Favorite Wen Oil? -- I Am Even More in Love With the Wen Oils!!! -- Women of Color WEN Users ---- Wen groups on facebook -- w endooters -- Wenner's fur babies -- Rescue pup got a Wen bath ---- Wen Fall TSV probably September 5th -- Wen TSVs going back to December 2009 -- Wen OTOs still available at great prices ---- July Chat (2015) --

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Re: Advice Needed re WEN

bebe777 — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:06:52 GMT

dulwich, this information is in message #3 of the Wen 101 thread. it gives an overview of the various Wen Cleansing Conditioners lines. It may be too much info but I decided to include it just in case you were interested.

For an easy decision, again, I'd suggest just going with one of the three kits I mentioned in the previous message.

Best of luck!!

-- bebe

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TYPES OF WEN CLEANSING CONDITIONERS

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Core (Classic) Cleansing Conditioners

* wheat-based: Sweet Almond Mint (SAM), Tea Tree (TT), Fig (FIG), Lavender (LAV), Cucumber-Aloe (CA)

* soy-based & wheat-free: Pomegranate (POM)

Note: Core CCs and Kids CCs do not have the amino acid complex.

Kids Cleansing Conditioners

* all rice-based - no wheat, gluten, soy, jojoba or nuts / menthol-free: Apple (WKA), Watermelon (WKW) & Strawberry-Banana (WKSB)

Note: Core CCs and Kids CCs do not have the amino acid complex.

Men's Head to Toe Cleansing Conditioner

* more information later

Restorative Cleansing Conditioners

-- all rice-based, wheat-free, soy-free, jojoba-free & nut-free /bamboo amino acid complex / additional skin care ingredients -- Chaz: "hybrid formula", "more similar to Seasonal category"

* Bamboo Green Tea (BGT)

* Mandarin Italian Fig (MIF)

SixThirteen (613) Cleansing Conditioner

* soy-based - no wheat, gluten, or nuts / most concentrated amino acid complex / additional skin care ingredients -- Chaz: "CC on steroids"

Seasonal Cleansing Conditioners

-- all soy-based - no wheat or gluten / amino acid complex / additional skin care ingredients

* Summer Coconut Lime Verbena (SCLV or CLV) -- June - Aug. 2015

* Spring Honey Lilac (SHL) -- Mar. - May 2015

* Winter White Citrus (WWC) -- Dec. 2014 - Feb. 2015

* Fall Tuscan Pear (FTP) -- Sept. - Nov. 2014

* Summer Honey Peach (SHP) -- June - Aug. 2014

* Spring Orange Blossom (SOB) -- Mar. - May 2014

* Winter Cranberry Mint (WCM) -- Dec. 2013 - Feb. 2014

* Fall Apple Spice (FAS) -- Sept. - Nov. 2013

* Summer Mango Coconut (SMC) -- June - Aug., in both 2012 & 2013

* Spring Gardenia Green Tea (SGGT) -- Mar. - May, in both 2012 & 2013

* Winter Vanilla Mint (WVM) -- Dec. - Feb., in winter of both 2011/12 & 2012/13

* Fall Ginger Pumpkin (FGP) -- Sept. - Nov., in both 2011 & 2012

Note: I think that the very popular Honey Complex, as well as the 4-Tea Complex, has been added to some of the Seasonal beginning with Summer Honey Peach (SHP).

* Note: each new Seasonal is generally only available for the three-month initial season when it was first introduced. -- Because Wenners get so attached to their favorite seasonals, this past year Chaz has been experimenting with "opening up" the Wen Seasonals closet, on a season by season basis. For each season, a limited quantity of the prior Seasonals (for that season) have been brought back. And when they're gone, they're really gone. So order sooner rather than later.

* Note: For the first time this June, Chaz has made four Seasonal scents available during June Wen Gallons Month: one for each season. He seems to have selected the most popular Seasonal for each season. -- It's too soon to know if the Seasonals will become a staple for June Wen Gallons Month, but they seem to be a welcome addition to the Wen gallons line.

Note: Additionally, for the past few December TSVs, Seasonals have been a part of the mix. The Wen December TSV generally includes (5) 16oz. Cleansing Conditioners and has been priced at $80 for the past few years. This past December, Chaz included a Seasonal TSV which included FGP, WVM, SMC, SOB & SHP -- They have been among the the most popular Seasonal scents.

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Re: Advice Needed re WEN

ChynnaBlue — Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:21:44 GMT

@dulwich wrote:
I have fine curly hair - can get frizzy and read Albany's blog today re curly hair and decided to try her way of handling curly hair - need to ask should I stay with all one product of WEN - e.g. Six Thirteen cleanser, styling cream and mousse / or can you mix products? Any re commendations for cleanser, styling cream, mousse gratefully received. Never used WEN advice needed as it is not cheap. Thank you.

I also have fine curly hair that's prone to frizz. I used WEN Fig because curly hair loves moisture. It doesn't weigh my hair down. My hair is naturally very dry and many of the other formulas leave my hair feeling too dry unless I mix them with Fig. I also use 613 as an occasional treatment, as well as the oils and the Remoist.

If you want to start out with WEN, I'd recommend getting one cleansing conditioner to start with and see how you like it.

Yes, you can absolutely mix products. I've tried all of the WEN styling products and found none of them work well for me. I prefer curly-specific styling products and find they provide better definition and frizz prevention.

I like to add some of the WEN oil to my soaking wet hair after my WEN leave-in and before my styling product. That also really helps prevent frizz. IF you don't want to invest in a WEN oil without knowing if that will work for you, pick up a small bottle of jojoba or argan oil at a local Whole Foods or health food store and try adding a few drops of that to your hair. I avoid most of the drugstore hair "oils" because most of them contain a large amount of silicone and then some oils in there with them. I prefer to use an actual oil-based product.

If you're really worried about the whole "no shampoo" thing and need to prove it works before you spend the money, give the WEN method a try with a drugstore conditioner. I did that for months before I switched to WEN. I used Suave Coconut conditioner and it got my hair clean, but wasn't very moisturizing. WEN is much better, but the Suave cost $1 and proved to me that giving up shampoo works.