topic Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with in WEN

Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

orclin — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 02:37:23 GMT

Hi All, my hair is thick, coarse & wavy, very prone to frizzing and does NOT need any help with volume. My go-to is Fig but unfortunately not an option today. I suspect Rice would be too drying? I've had problems with some of the seasonals (Gardenia, Spring Orange Blossom) drying my hair so not too sure about picking the seasonal option. 613 also dried out my hair. What do you recommend? Based on my hair type should I just skip todays TSV? Many thanks!

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

bebe777 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 02:48:52 GMT

Hi @orclin, give me a minute and I'll give you a few suggestions. -- bebe

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

LucysMommy — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 02:58:04 GMT

Of the choices, I'd choose Sweet Almond Mint. My hair is the same as yours. I like the seasonals....but everyone's hair is different.

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

untitled — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 03:00:40 GMT

I would say TT unless you don’t like a TT scent.

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

bebe777 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 03:01:27 GMT

Hi @orclin welcome to the Wen forum!!!

I've seen @ANewHue @geezerette @Suebdoo and @Drythe around so hopefully they'll add their suggestions as well.

Since you have thick and coarse hair, you may want to steer clear of:

* Seasonals

* Restoratives (rice based with bamboo water)

* 613/319

All of these formulas have the amina acid complex in them and may have too much protein for your hair on a regular basis.

FYI, I have baby fine hair and have tried almost all of the formulas. -- lol, the only one that doesn't work for me is FIG becasue it weighs my hair down.

I have two recommendations that I think would work well for you... and one suggestion:

* TSV recommendation -- $77.90 -- Sweet Almond Mint or Tea Tree

* ODO (5) 16oz CLASSIC Cleansing Conditioners suggestion -- $79.90 -- selection of Sweet Almond Mint, Tea Tree, Fig, Lavender and Pomegranate

While Tea Tree has a slightly medicinal scent, it seems to work well for just about everyone. -- Sweet Almond Mint, which has a very nice scent, works well for most people and would probably work well for you.

In addition to the TSV, I'd suggest that you purchase the ODO (5) 16oz CLASSIC Cleansing Conditioners for $79.90. -- This will let you try 5 of the 6 Classic formulas at $16 per 16oz bottle of Cleansing Conditioner which is an amazing value!!!

Make sure that you pick the auto-delivery options so that you can take advantage of these great values in June or August.

I'll be around if you have any more questions.

Best of luck!!

-- bebe

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The TSV, priced at $77.90, is the VERY BEST CLEANSING CONDITIONER VALUE EVER!!! -- individual shipment: A299076 OR auto-delivery shipment: A304008 -- TSV price calculations:

* gallon of TSV (45% off of the June gallons price, using $190 as QVC regular Wen gallon price)-- $103.87

* 32oz of TSV (55% off of regular 32oz Classic CC $58 price at QVC) -- $25.97

Scent options:

* Classic options -- (3) Sweet Almond MInt, (3) Tea Tree, OR (3) Lavender

* Restoratives -- (1) Bamboo Green Tea, (1) Mandarin Italian Fig, and (1) Fragrance Free

* Winter Seasonals: (1) Winter Vanilla Mint, (1) Winter White Citrus, and (1) Winter Red Currant -- August 2018 follow-up auto-delivery order: (1) Summer Mango Coconut, (1) Summer Honey Peach and (1) Summer Coconut Lime Verbena

Better price than on the June gallons!!!

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And the (5) 16oz CCs ODO is an amazing value priced at $79.90. -- Averages out to $15.98 per 16oz bottle of Cleansing Conditioner!! -- individual option: A303145 OR auto-delivery option: A308990.

Three options available are Seasonals, Classics & Restoratives:

* Seasonals -- Fall Ginger Pumpkin, Winter Vanilla Mint, Spring Gardenia Green Tea, Summer Mango Coconut, and Winter Cranberry Mint

* Classics -- Sweet Almond Mint, Tea Tree, Fig, Lavender and Pomegranate

* Restoratives -- (2) Bamboo Green Tea, (2) Mandarin Italian Fig, and (1) Fragrance Free

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Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

orclin — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 03:08:42 GMT

Thank you all for taking the time to make your suggestions! You guys are awesome and I truly appreciate your help

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

Hilary77 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 03:12:09 GMT

I recommend tea tree!!!

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ANewHue — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 03:19:11 GMT

@orclin. @bebe777 gave you great advice. My hair is the exact opposite of yours but I would recommend sweet almond. It's very moisturizing, gives great body and it's a good scent as well. Tea tree is a staple, I always use that on my scalp for my first cleanse. I would try that ODO with the 5 16 oz classic cleansers and maybe pick up the tea tree or Sam TS as @bebe777 recommend.

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

bebe777 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 03:31:31 GMT

@Hilary77 wrote:
I recommend tea tree!!!

* bebe777 high fives @Hilary77 *

Hi @Hilary77 it's great to see you around here. I hope life is treating you well and that your holiday season is off to a wenderful start!!

I love Tea Tree too. It was my original Wen "go to" formula back in 2010... until Chaz came out with 613/319, the Seasonals, and the rice based Restoratives... for my baby fine hair.

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

orclin — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 03:35:59 GMT

Okay, I went with the TSV in both TT and SAM. I love the scents of most of the seasonal's but suspect they'd be too drying for my hair and I like the idea of trying all the classics but my budget just couldn't handle everything I want. Thank you all so much for taking the time to make suggestions!!

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

bebe777 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 03:36:51 GMT

@ANewHue wrote:
@orclin. @bebe777 gave you great advice. My hair is the exact opposite of yours but I would recommend sweet almond. It's very moisturizing, gives great body and it's a good scent as well. Tea tree is a staple, I always use that on my scalp for my first cleanse. I would try that ODO with the 5 16 oz classic cleansers and maybe pick up the tea tree or Sam TS as @bebe777 recommend.

@ANewHue when I first started using Wen my baby fine hair had been so destroyed by using shampoo that I couldn't even use more than a 1/4 pump (from the 16oz bottle) of CC as a leave in. Otherwise it weighed my hair down. Yikes! Shampoo bad!!! Wen wenderful!!!

Fig CC still weighs my hair down, but last year I tried the Sweet Almond Mint (SAM) CC again and now it works well for my hair (in 2010-14, it weighed my hair down). I really like SAM now, but I need the Wen lines that have the amino acid complex for my baby fine hair.

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bebe777 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 03:43:00 GMT

@orclin wrote:
Okay, I went with the TSV in both TT and SAM. I love the scents of most of the seasonal's but suspect they'd be too drying for my hair and I like the idea of trying all the classics but my budget just couldn't handle everything I want. Thank you all so much for taking the time to make suggestions!!

@orclin YAY!!!

I think you made an excellent decision!!! Great value and all time best prices!!

If you ever see a great value on Pomegranate -- and Chaz frequently has them -- I think you should also give that a try. It's soy-based unlike the other Classic formulas which are all wheat-based, so you'd get to compare them.

Since you don't need volume, I'd suggest that you stay away from Lavender. It adds volume but, for a lot of folks, it also adds frizz and it's the formula that the most Wenners have problems with. -- The Cucumber Aloe (the last of the Classics formulas) is one that you probably won't need. It's the most astringent and is the one that Chaz developed for teenagers with oily scalps.

Once you get your new supply, feel free to check in to ask any questions you have.

Best of luck (though you won't need it!)!!

-- bebe

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ANewHue — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 03:46:36 GMT

@bebe777 your hair is like mine. I haven't used FIG since I began my wen journey and I honestly don't remember how my hair liked it. Sam was one I originally started with but hadn't used it in years. About three or so years ago I got sentimental and ordered some during a TSV. I was wowed , I almost always use TT on my scalp first cleanse and incorporate SAm in the 2nd. I'll tell you though, I cannot be without my 319 I use it each and every cleanse and would never think of passing it.

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

ANewHue — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 03:53:59 GMT

@orclin. You made great choices. Did you go with auto delivery? Just want to Welcome you to the Wenderful world of Wen but I must warn you we are a group of enablers.

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

bebe777 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 04:05:34 GMT

@ANewHue wrote:
@bebe777 your hair is like mine. I haven't used FIG since I began my wen journey and I honestly don't remember how my hair liked it. Sam was one I originally started with but hadn't used it in years. About three or so years ago I got sentimental and ordered some during a TSV. I was wowed , I almost always use TT on my scalp first cleanse and incorporate SAm in the 2nd. I'll tell you though, I cannot be without my 319 I use it each and every cleanse and would never think of passing it.

@ANewHue I agree, our hair sounds very similar.

Thanks to Wen making my porous/limp/fragile baby finehair healthy, I can use any of the Wen formulas except for FIG (haven't tried FIG since 2014 when my original bottle of FIG went bad after being open for 4-5 years).

A few years back I bought a 32oz Sweet Almond Mint (SAM) CC becasue it was in a 4-piece Wen TSV for $65 which included a 4oz bottle of the SAM Treatment Oil that I . wanted to try. I figured that I was getting the 32oz SAM CC for free so I picked it up. -- I probably waited for a few years before I finally opened it lol! After my negative experiences with SAM, I wasn't in any hurry to try it again. It worked really well/, so well that I would have added it to my "go to" list if it had had the amino acid complex in it.

Once Chaz started making formulas that had the amino acid complex in it, I basically stopped using the Tea Tree (TT) formula. TT CC really helped normalize my oily scalp, but Chaz's TT Treatment Oil worked even better. -- As you know, due to family issues, I've been doing a lot of long distance commuting for the past two years. My scalp started getting a bit oilier because frequently I didn't have time to do overnight oil treatments. -- So these days I rotate TT CC into my routine every second ord third time I cleanse my hair.

The three best Wen formulas for me are the to Restoratives: Mandarin Italian Fig and it's Fragrance Free counterpart. -- 319 CC (with maximum amino acids) is my other favorite thought I'll use 613 CC in a pinch.

I love my Seasonals, so I'm always rotating all of them in.

My leave in routine is always 613 CC and 613 Moussie moo... and Styling Cream and Volumizing Treatemtn Spray (I'm a real fan).

bebe

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x Hedge — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 04:07:43 GMT

@orclin, I also have hair that is thick, coarse, curly-wavy, plus mine is severely dry.
I was wondering, on the days after washing, does your hair become progressively dryer or more oily?
Here's Chaz's 'product recommender'.
http://chazdean.com/recommender/

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

bebe777 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 04:08:00 GMT

@ANewHue wrote:
@orclin. You made great choices. Did you go with auto delivery? Just want to Welcome you to the Wenderful world of Wen but I must warn you we are a group of enablers.

@ANewHue is right. @orclin the two of us are very longtime charter members of the Wen Enablers (and hoard... er, "Stashers") Society.

-- bebe

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

bebe777 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 04:12:36 GMT

@x Hedge wrote:
@orclin, I also have hair that is thick, coarse, curly-wavy, plus mine is severely dry.
I was wondering, on the days after washing, does your hair become progressively dryer or more oily?
Here's Chaz's 'product recommender'.
http://chazdean.com/recommender/

@x Hedge and @orclin , while the Product Recommender at Chaz's site can be helpful, it's left a number of us a bit puzzled with it's suggestions.

However I tweak my responses fro what my hair needs, Lavender always is the number one suggestion... and Lavender turns my baby fine hair into a frizzy fireball (it's not a pretty site). -- I've tried almost all of Chaz's CCs and the Recommender suggests the CCs that work the least well for my hair.

If I remember correctly, it never suggests lines that work best for my hair: Restoratives, 613/319, and Seasonals. -- The results leave me puzzled.

-- bebe

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

HSB1204 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 05:14:04 GMT

@bebe777 wrote:
@ANewHue wrote:
@orclin. @bebe777 gave you great advice. My hair is the exact opposite of yours but I would recommend sweet almond. It's very moisturizing, gives great body and it's a good scent as well. Tea tree is a staple, I always use that on my scalp for my first cleanse. I would try that ODO with the 5 16 oz classic cleansers and maybe pick up the tea tree or Sam TS as @bebe777 recommend.

@ANewHue when I first started using Wen my baby fine hair had been so destroyed by using shampoo that I couldn't even use more than a 1/4 pump (from the 16oz bottle) of CC as a leave in. Otherwise it weighed my hair down. Yikes! Shampoo bad!!! Wen wenderful!!!

Fig CC still weighs my hair down, but last year I tried the Sweet Almond Mint (SAM) CC again and now it works well for my hair (in 2010-14, it weighed my hair down). I really like SAM now, but I need the Wen lines that have the amino acid complex for my baby fine hair.

@bebe777 It's interesting that FIG still weighs down your hair but you can use SAM now. My hair only seems to like FIG in the winter time. Even though FIG is supposed to be the most moisturizing I almost find SAM more moisturizing.

Re: Need help figuring out which TSV option to go with

HSB1204 — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 05:19:54 GMT

@bebe777 wrote:
@x Hedge wrote:
@orclin, I also have hair that is thick, coarse, curly-wavy, plus mine is severely dry.
I was wondering, on the days after washing, does your hair become progressively dryer or more oily?
Here's Chaz's 'product recommender'.
http://chazdean.com/recommender/

@x Hedge and @orclin , while the Product Recommender at Chaz's site can be helpful, it's left a number of us a bit puzzled with it's suggestions.

However I tweak my responses fro what my hair needs, Lavender always is the number one suggestion... and Lavender turns my baby fine hair into a frizzy fireball (it's not a pretty site). -- I've tried almost all of Chaz's CCs and the Recommender suggests the CCs that work the least well for my hair.

If I remember correctly, it never suggests lines that work best for my hair: Restoratives, 613/319, and Seasonals. -- The results leave me puzzled.

-- bebe

@bebe777 Just for fun I tried the product recommender again and it seems pretty accurate in my case. It recommended FIG, POM and 319. I think that's what it recommended the last time too so I apparently know how to get the magical answers to get the 319 that it never recommends to you.