topic Re: Retired Formulas in WEN

Retired Formulas

Susan25 — Tue, 01 Dec 2015 23:47:03 GMT

Does anyone know if the formulas that are going to be retired will be permanent or if we may occasionally be able to purchase them? Just wondering if anyone heard them discussing this on QVC. I almost never watch QVC and only watch Wen shows if I am home.

Re: Retired Formulas

ANewHue — Wed, 02 Dec 2015 00:12:48 GMT

When Chaz put the first round of seasonals in the vault I think it was 2 or 3 years before they showed up. In sept 2016 we will be getting new seasonals so I'm hoping its for 2 years. I really don't think Chaz will retire any scents forever. Although they may not be as popular as other scents he's aware that many do love FAS, WCM and SGGT. Although I like the newer scents I'm more attached to the older scents.

Re: Retired Formulas

bebe777 — Wed, 02 Dec 2015 00:37:18 GMT

@ANewHue wrote:
When Chaz put the first round of seasonals in the vault I think it was 2 or 3 years before they showed up. In sept 2016 we will be getting new seasonals so I'm hoping its for 2 years. I really don't think Chaz will retire any scents forever. Although they may not be as popular as other scents he's aware that many do love FAS, WCM and SGGT. Although I like the newer scents I'm more attached to the older scents.

beaches ( @ANewHue ), that was my thought as well. Chaz knows how much we like our particular scents and he does his very best to make them available to us (lol, he really pampers us *s*).

I really, really, really like Fall Apple Spice and Spring Gardenia Green Tea. I just used some Winter Cranberry Mint on my hands and legs last night and I'm liking it more and more.

Below is the timetable for when the various Seasonals have been available (excluding when they showed up in various TSVs and out of season OTOs).

-- bebe Wen FAQ - Wen 101 - New Wen products & special values - November Chat 2015 - Wen News - periscope - Wen Abbreviations Glossary -- December 2015 WEN TSV -- QVC Wen shows for Dec. 5th TSV

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This information is both of the Wen FAQ and Wen 101 threads (message #3)...

Seasonal Cleansing Conditioners

* all soy-based - no wheat or gluten / Wen 11 amino acid complex / additional skin care ingredients

* Summer Coconut Lime Verbena (SCLV or CLV) -- June - Aug., in both 2015 & 2016

* Spring Honey Lilac (SHL) -- Mar. - May, in both 2015 & 2016

* Winter White Citrus (WWC) -- Dec. 2014 - Feb., in winter of both 2014/15 & 2015/16

* Fall Tuscan Pear (FTP) -- Sept. - Nov., in both 2014 & 2015

* Summer Honey Peach (SHP) -- June - Aug. 2014

* Spring Orange Blossom (SOB) -- Mar. - May 2014

* Winter Cranberry Mint (WCM) -- Dec. 2013 - Feb. 2014

* Fall Apple Spice (FAS) -- Sept. - Nov. 2013

* Summer Mango Coconut (SMC) -- June - Aug., in both 2012 & 2013

* Spring Gardenia Green Tea (SGGT) -- Mar. - May, in both 2012 & 2013

* Winter Vanilla Mint (WVM) -- Dec. - Feb., in winter of both 2011/12 & 2012/13

* Fall Ginger Pumpkin (FGP) -- Sept. - Nov., in both 2011 & 2012

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Re: Retired Formulas

ANewHue — Wed, 02 Dec 2015 00:52:29 GMT

@bebe777 I really like SGGT too and it's wonderful mixed with tea tree . I finally got to experience the oil and RTM last year. That's another one I'll be stocking up on since I'm down to half a 16 oz bottle. No we know which Summer scent if any is going into the vault?

Re: Retired Formulas

bebe777 — Wed, 02 Dec 2015 01:53:29 GMT

beaches ( @ANewHue ), lol, don't tease me like this. I'm already planning on stocking up on Spring Orange Blossom and it looks like I'm going to have to get the Replenishing Treatment MIst (RTM)... I already have the Treatment OIl. *sigh* It seems like I may have to add Spring Gardenia Green Tea (SGGT) Treatment Oil and maybe the RTM.

I don't think anyone has any idea of which summer scent might be retired. I'm thinking that maybe the Summer Coconut Mango may go back into the Vault simply because it's been available for so long. I think that the Summer Honey Peach is safe because it's one of Chaz's favorite CCs... as well as a Wenner fave.

-- bebe

Re: Retired Formulas,

ANewHue — Wed, 02 Dec 2015 04:46:27 GMT

@bebe777 wrote:
beaches ( @ANewHue ), lol, don't tease me like this. I'm already planning on stocking up on Spring Orange Blossom and it looks like I'm going to have to get the Replenishing Treatment MIst (RTM)... I already have the Treatment OIl. *sigh* It seems like I may have to add Spring Gardenia Green Tea (SGGT) Treatment Oil and maybe the RTM.

I don't think anyone has any idea of which summer scent might be retired. I'm thinking that maybe the Summer Coconut Mango may go back into the Vault simply because it's been available for so long. I think that the Summer Honey Peach is safe because it's one of Chaz's favorite CCs... as well as a Wenner fave.

-- bebe

Lol @bebe777 just when you think you're safe Chaz pulls this "retirement" thing on us, i have to admit when it comes to Wen I'm more of the Fall/winter type. Whom I kidding I really do enjoy all the seasonals. If SMC is retiring I'll have to stock up on the oil and RTMs too. I think Summer is going to be expensive between stocking up on SMC and SHP.My oil drawer is full so now I have to find yet another hiding spot.

Re: Retired Formulas

Susan25 — Wed, 02 Dec 2015 11:39:58 GMT

Thanks for all of the responses. I hope that you are right that the retired formulas will be available occasionally.

I don't believe that any of the summer seasonals are going to be retired. At least, none were mentioned as being retired. I think they are all very popular.

Re: Retired Formulas

HSB1204 — Wed, 02 Dec 2015 14:25:30 GMT

I guess until Chaz tells us that certain formulas are going to be retired we won't really know what is going to happen and whether or not they'll come back.

Re: Retired Formulas

bebe777 — Wed, 02 Dec 2015 22:18:01 GMT

@Susan25 wrote:
Thanks for all of the responses. I hope that you are right that the retired formulas will be available occasionally.
I don't believe that any of the summer seasonals are going to be retired. At least, none were mentioned as being retired. I think they are all very popular.

@Susan25 @HSB1204 and @ANewHue, grrrr... I'm a bit annoyed with the older threads we've lost due to this new forum system.

There was this great A Wen for All Seasons -- it sounds like they going to make the prior Wen Seasonals available again .... thread (which is in the page two of the Wen 101 thread... and, of course, now the thread is *poof* gone... oh, well...

The reason I wanted to access the thread is that this was when -- a few years ago --Chaz first hinted that past Seasonals might be coming back. I actually typed out the conversation between Chaz and the host as they teased us with cryptic hints.

What was important about this conversation was the pure glee Chaz was having in teasing us with his hints. It made it crystal clear that he understood how attached we all were to these retired formulas and how absolutely thrilled he was in being able to bring them back.

Based on that, I feel that Chaz really understands how attached we each are to individual formulas and that, in the future, he will be doing his darnest to convince QVC to bring the retired formulas back out of the Wen Vault.

My guess would be that we probably won't see these formulas back for a few years. Maybe the'd be available again between Fall 2017 - Summer 20018. Anyway, that's my guess, so I'm stocking up on the likely to be retired Seasonals with that time frame in mind.

-- bebe, a founding member of the Fall Apple Spice Fan Club, a huge fan of the soft floral scents like Spring Gardenia Green Tea, and an enjoyer of the festive, holiday Winter Cranberry Mint... and I think that the only summer Seasonal which

Re: Retired Formulas

Kjelle — Thu, 03 Dec 2015 03:52:13 GMT

@Susan25 @bebe777 @HSB1204 @ANewHue Maybe I am dreaming, but I thought Chaz said 2 formulas were being retired this year. I think that is different then reaching the end of their rotation. So far, except for gallons, it seems they come out for three years, then go into the vault and he said that when that happens, if it comes back it won't be for 2-3 years.

I took the retirement thing to mean it is never coming back. We all speculated which those would be and I think the consensus was FAS and SGGT, which is why I am buying 2 SGGT oils in the Spring. I am still banking on those two, because people found SGGT drying (me included-but loved it anyway) and also they didn't like the addition of ylang ylang to the oil so that it didn't smell exactly like the CC (I love that too.) And we all know what the issue was with FAS (although for me it is moisturizing and the maple does make your hair shine.)

Do any of you ladies recall that statement about 2 formulas being retired? I think it was from Periscope. We definitely discussed retiring formulas here.

Re: Retired Formulas

ANewHue — Thu, 03 Dec 2015 04:43:59 GMT

@Kjelle wrote:
@Susan25 @bebe777 @HSB1204 @ANewHue Maybe I am dreaming, but I thought Chaz said 2 formulas were being retired this year. I think that is different then reaching the end of their rotation. So far, except for gallons, it seems they come out for three years, then go into the vault and he said that when that happens, if it comes back it won't be for 2-3 years.

I took the retirement thing to mean it is never coming back. We all speculated which those would be and I think the consensus was FAS and SGGT, which is why I am buying 2 SGGT oils in the Spring. I am still banking on those two, because people found SGGT drying (me included-but loved it anyway) and also they didn't like the addition of ylang ylang to the oil so that it didn't smell exactly like the CC (I love that too.) And we all know what the issue was with FAS (although for me it is moisturizing and the maple does make your hair shine.)

Do any of you ladies recall that statement about 2 formulas being retired? I think it was from Periscope. We definitely discussed retiring formulas here.

@Kjelle I'm not on Periscope so I don't know what was discussed. I do know that the first scents went to the vault the word retired was used, although FAS, WCM and SGGT may not have as big of a fan base as the other I really don't think they will go away forever. It was my understanding that SGGT had a pretty huge fan base. I actually didn't try it until the 2nd year it was around and it really grew on me.

Re: Retired Formulas

HSB1204 — Thu, 03 Dec 2015 05:58:45 GMT

@Kjelle wrote:
@Susan25 @bebe777 @HSB1204 @ANewHue Maybe I am dreaming, but I thought Chaz said 2 formulas were being retired this year. I think that is different then reaching the end of their rotation. So far, except for gallons, it seems they come out for three years, then go into the vault and he said that when that happens, if it comes back it won't be for 2-3 years.

I took the retirement thing to mean it is never coming back. We all speculated which those would be and I think the consensus was FAS and SGGT, which is why I am buying 2 SGGT oils in the Spring. I am still banking on those two, because people found SGGT drying (me included-but loved it anyway) and also they didn't like the addition of ylang ylang to the oil so that it didn't smell exactly like the CC (I love that too.) And we all know what the issue was with FAS (although for me it is moisturizing and the maple does make your hair shine.)

Do any of you ladies recall that statement about 2 formulas being retired? I think it was from Periscope. We definitely discussed retiring formulas here.

I remember some discussions about retiring formulas but I don't remember the specifics. I also assumed that "retired" meant it was never come back again.

I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to SGGT. I've never experienced the dryness that others talk about.

Re: Retired Formulas

bebe777 — Thu, 03 Dec 2015 07:21:33 GMT

@HSB1204 wrote:
@Kjelle wrote:
@Susan25 @bebe777 @HSB1204 @ANewHue Maybe I am dreaming, but I thought Chaz said 2 formulas were being retired this year. I think that is different then reaching the end of their rotation. So far, except for gallons, it seems they come out for three years, then go into the vault and he said that when that happens, if it comes back it won't be for 2-3 years.

I took the retirement thing to mean it is never coming back. We all speculated which those would be and I think the consensus was FAS and SGGT, which is why I am buying 2 SGGT oils in the Spring. I am still banking on those two, because people found SGGT drying (me included-but loved it anyway) and also they didn't like the addition of ylang ylang to the oil so that it didn't smell exactly like the CC (I love that too.) And we all know what the issue was with FAS (although for me it is moisturizing and the maple does make your hair shine.)

Do any of you ladies recall that statement about 2 formulas being retired? I think it was from Periscope. We definitely discussed retiring formulas here.

I remember some discussions about retiring formulas but I don't remember the specifics. I also assumed that "retired" meant it was never come back again.

I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to SGGT. I've never experienced the dryness that others talk about.

@Kjelle, what HSB1204 said just jogged my memory. I'm pretty sure I remember Chaz and the host joking during his last visit and sort of insinuating the retired formulas wouldn't be available for a few years... Implying that they would be back at some point.

Kjelle, periscope just got too much for me to follow so I haven't been listening to it for the past few months. I just don't remember reading anything in this forum

saying that certain formulas would be retired with no possibility of ever coming back. I also don't remember anything about just two formulas being retired.

I don't think that Chaz has actually ever confirmed how many formulas would be retired.

I think what happened was that as soon as we heard that some of the formulas would be retired there was a rush to try to figure out which formulas would be retired and how many formulas were likely to be retired. I know that early on I speculated that probably for formulas would be retired – one for each season – because for new formulas were going to be introduced for the 2016 2017 seasonal year.

-- bebe

P.s. @HSB1204 And @ANewHue, lol, it sure sounds like we're among the founding floundering members of the brand new Spring Gardenia Green Tea Floral Fragrance Fan Club

Re: Retired Formulas

HSB1204 — Thu, 03 Dec 2015 14:27:04 GMT

@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 wrote:
@Kjelle wrote:
@Susan25 @bebe777 @HSB1204 @ANewHue Maybe I am dreaming, but I thought Chaz said 2 formulas were being retired this year. I think that is different then reaching the end of their rotation. So far, except for gallons, it seems they come out for three years, then go into the vault and he said that when that happens, if it comes back it won't be for 2-3 years.

I took the retirement thing to mean it is never coming back. We all speculated which those would be and I think the consensus was FAS and SGGT, which is why I am buying 2 SGGT oils in the Spring. I am still banking on those two, because people found SGGT drying (me included-but loved it anyway) and also they didn't like the addition of ylang ylang to the oil so that it didn't smell exactly like the CC (I love that too.) And we all know what the issue was with FAS (although for me it is moisturizing and the maple does make your hair shine.)

Do any of you ladies recall that statement about 2 formulas being retired? I think it was from Periscope. We definitely discussed retiring formulas here.

I remember some discussions about retiring formulas but I don't remember the specifics. I also assumed that "retired" meant it was never come back again.

I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to SGGT. I've never experienced the dryness that others talk about.

@Kjelle, what HSB1204 said just jogged my memory. I'm pretty sure I remember Chaz and the host joking during his last visit and sort of insinuating the retired formulas wouldn't be available for a few years... Implying that they would be back at some point.

Kjelle, periscope just got too much for me to follow so I haven't been listening to it for the past few months. I just don't remember reading anything in this forum
saying that certain formulas would be retired with no possibility of ever coming back. I also don't remember anything about just two formulas being retired.

I don't think that Chaz has actually ever confirmed how many formulas would be retired.

I think what happened was that as soon as we heard that some of the formulas would be retired there was a rush to try to figure out which formulas would be retired and how many formulas were likely to be retired. I know that early on I speculated that probably for formulas would be retired – one for each season – because for new formulas were going to be introduced for the 2016 2017 seasonal year.

-- bebe

P.s. @HSB1204 And @ANewHue, lol, it sure sounds like we're among the founding floundering members of the brand new Spring Gardenia Green Tea Floral Fragrance Fan Club

@bebe777 Yes, I was pretty surprised that I even liked the scent of SGGT since I'm not usually into floral scents, but I really like it and it's definitely not drying for me.

Re: Retired Formulas

FleaMktQn — Fri, 04 Dec 2015 22:09:08 GMT

I hope they do come back occasionally, there would be a buying frenzy from the ones that love their retired scents

Re: Retired Formulas

Brdwygurl — Fri, 04 Dec 2015 22:14:27 GMT

I know, I would be so sad if some of my favorites disappeared..... But really how much can you stockpile (ok don't answer that question..ha)

Re: Retired Formulas

FleaMktQn — Fri, 04 Dec 2015 22:22:45 GMT

@Brdwygurl wrote:
I know, I would be so sad if some of my favorites disappeared..... But really how much can you stockpile (ok don't answer that question..ha)

Yeah my stash is pretty massive

Re: Retired Formulas

Kjelle — Sat, 05 Dec 2015 01:30:35 GMT

@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 wrote:
@Kjelle wrote:
@Susan25 @bebe777 @HSB1204 @ANewHue Maybe I am dreaming, but I thought Chaz said 2 formulas were being retired this year. I think that is different then reaching the end of their rotation. So far, except for gallons, it seems they come out for three years, then go into the vault and he said that when that happens, if it comes back it won't be for 2-3 years.

I took the retirement thing to mean it is never coming back. We all speculated which those would be and I think the consensus was FAS and SGGT, which is why I am buying 2 SGGT oils in the Spring. I am still banking on those two, because people found SGGT drying (me included-but loved it anyway) and also they didn't like the addition of ylang ylang to the oil so that it didn't smell exactly like the CC (I love that too.) And we all know what the issue was with FAS (although for me it is moisturizing and the maple does make your hair shine.)

Do any of you ladies recall that statement about 2 formulas being retired? I think it was from Periscope. We definitely discussed retiring formulas here.

I remember some discussions about retiring formulas but I don't remember the specifics. I also assumed that "retired" meant it was never come back again.

I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to SGGT. I've never experienced the dryness that others talk about.

@Kjelle, what HSB1204 said just jogged my memory. I'm pretty sure I remember Chaz and the host joking during his last visit and sort of insinuating the retired formulas wouldn't be available for a few years... Implying that they would be back at some point.

Kjelle, periscope just got too much for me to follow so I haven't been listening to it for the past few months. I just don't remember reading anything in this forum
saying that certain formulas would be retired with no possibility of ever coming back. I also don't remember anything about just two formulas being retired.

I don't think that Chaz has actually ever confirmed how many formulas would be retired.

I think what happened was that as soon as we heard that some of the formulas would be retired there was a rush to try to figure out which formulas would be retired and how many formulas were likely to be retired. I know that early on I speculated that probably for formulas would be retired – one for each season – because for new formulas were going to be introduced for the 2016 2017 seasonal year.

-- bebe

P.s. @HSB1204 And @ANewHue, lol, it sure sounds like we're among the founding floundering members of the brand new Spring Gardenia Green Tea Floral Fragrance Fan Club

@bebe777 @HSB1204 @ANewHue I want honorary membership! Labor Day weekend 2012, Chaz said Spring 2013 was it for SGGT. However, I was not a savvy Q shopper yet. I didn't even know you could change the quantity of your seasonal 32 AD from season to season. So what did I do? I ordered about eight 16s of SGGT! In addition, I had 2 or 3 from GR which I was still signed up for at the time. It took up so much room and made me feel so pressured, I later had to do a trade with @jennys kid to get rid of some of it! She said I was giving her too much and I told her I didn't even care! My love for SGGT had made me crazed. Never again! Huge stash, yes. That huge a stash of one thing, no. 😖

Re: Retired Formulas

cosmic1 — Sat, 05 Dec 2015 01:45:39 GMT

I'm a big fan of SGGT as well. I used it for my oil treatment this morning.

SGGT was always my 2nd favorite after FGP. This past year, SHL moved into a tie for 2nd with SGGT. I love lilacs. I stand in the yard smelling the lilacs when they bloom. I just can't get enough of that scent and the Wen SHL smells just like them.

I also love standing in the shower surrounded by the lush scent of SGGT.

I like the SOB too. My last bottle smelled a little off to me though. It was kind of perfumy. Maybe it was starting to turn.

Re: Retired Formulas

HSB1204 — Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:57:45 GMT

@Kjelle wrote:
@bebe777 wrote:
@HSB1204 wrote:
@Kjelle wrote:
@Susan25 @bebe777 @HSB1204 @ANewHue Maybe I am dreaming, but I thought Chaz said 2 formulas were being retired this year. I think that is different then reaching the end of their rotation. So far, except for gallons, it seems they come out for three years, then go into the vault and he said that when that happens, if it comes back it won't be for 2-3 years.

I took the retirement thing to mean it is never coming back. We all speculated which those would be and I think the consensus was FAS and SGGT, which is why I am buying 2 SGGT oils in the Spring. I am still banking on those two, because people found SGGT drying (me included-but loved it anyway) and also they didn't like the addition of ylang ylang to the oil so that it didn't smell exactly like the CC (I love that too.) And we all know what the issue was with FAS (although for me it is moisturizing and the maple does make your hair shine.)

Do any of you ladies recall that statement about 2 formulas being retired? I think it was from Periscope. We definitely discussed retiring formulas here.

I remember some discussions about retiring formulas but I don't remember the specifics. I also assumed that "retired" meant it was never come back again.

I guess I'm in the minority when it comes to SGGT. I've never experienced the dryness that others talk about.

@Kjelle, what HSB1204 said just jogged my memory. I'm pretty sure I remember Chaz and the host joking during his last visit and sort of insinuating the retired formulas wouldn't be available for a few years... Implying that they would be back at some point.

Kjelle, periscope just got too much for me to follow so I haven't been listening to it for the past few months. I just don't remember reading anything in this forum
saying that certain formulas would be retired with no possibility of ever coming back. I also don't remember anything about just two formulas being retired.

I don't think that Chaz has actually ever confirmed how many formulas would be retired.

I think what happened was that as soon as we heard that some of the formulas would be retired there was a rush to try to figure out which formulas would be retired and how many formulas were likely to be retired. I know that early on I speculated that probably for formulas would be retired – one for each season – because for new formulas were going to be introduced for the 2016 2017 seasonal year.

-- bebe

P.s. @HSB1204 And @ANewHue, lol, it sure sounds like we're among the founding floundering members of the brand new Spring Gardenia Green Tea Floral Fragrance Fan Club
@bebe777 @HSB1204 @ANewHue I want honorary membership! Labor Day weekend 2012, Chaz said Spring 2013 was it for SGGT. However, I was not a savvy Q shopper yet. I didn't even know you could change the quantity of your seasonal 32 AD from season to season. So what did I do? I ordered about eight 16s of SGGT! In addition, I had 2 or 3 from GR which I was still signed up for at the time. It took up so much room and made me feel so pressured, I later had to do a trade with @jennys kid to get rid of some of it! She said I was giving her too much and I told her I didn't even care! My love for SGGT had made me crazed. Never again! Huge stash, yes. That huge a stash of one thing, no. 😖

@Kjelle I think you definitely deserve that! That's was quite the Wen order!