topic Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC in WEN

Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

bebe777 — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:28:30 GMT

What acronym do you think we should use for the new rice-based Fragrance Free cleansing conditioner?

These are the three possible options that I came up with:

* FF -- Fragrance Free

* RFF -- rice-based Fragrance Free

* WRFF -- Wen rice-based Fragrance Free

Normally, just using the FF option would seem like the best way to go. It's simple and to the point, but I was wondering if that would create some confusion between this rice-based CC product and the soy-based 319 Nourishing Body Treatment (which is also fragrance-free).

If you are a long time Wenner then, of course, you'll remember the difference.

But there are always a lot of new folks who participate in the Wen forum, as well as a lot of folks who just read the forum. And it tends to take them a while to learn all the acronyms and distinguish between the six basic product lines (i.e. Classics, 613/319, Wen Kids, Seasonals, Restoratives, and Wen Men).

So I wondered if it would be better to clarify the acronym, by using either RFF or WRFF. RFF is shorter, but WRFF would be more in line with (more consistent with) the Wen Kids CC acronyms: Wen Kids Apple (WKA), Wen Kids Watermelon (WKW), and Wen Kids Strawberry Banana (WKSB).

All that said, I tend to think that simplest is best and that probably most people will understand the FF acronym.

So I wanted to put it out here so that we could make a group decision on this, and then I will add it to the Wen Abbreviations Glossary.

-- bebe Wen FAQ - Wen 101 - New Wen products & special values - Wen Quick Links - Wen News - periscope - QVC WEN forum - November Chat 2015 -- The Insider (how to join InsideQ magazine) --- Wen Abbreviations Glossary -

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

vermint — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:47:58 GMT

I vote for either FF (which already seems to be in use a lot) or RFF. Adding the W might be too much!

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

HSB1204 — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 04:10:42 GMT

@vermint wrote:
I vote for either FF (which already seems to be in use a lot) or RFF. Adding the W might be too much!

I agree. FF seems to make the most sense since that's what we've been using already.

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

Diva1Donna — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:28:27 GMT

I think FF is the best option, as we don't add anything in front of BGT or MIF either.

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

ANewHue — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:41:02 GMT

@bebe777 I agree with everyone else here, FF .

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

FleaMktQn — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:43:53 GMT

Casting my vote for FF

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

sonechko — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:44:10 GMT

I vote for FF. I also seeing people already picked it up and are using FF. acronym.

I started to use it after them.

Where @bebe777 has a concern this could be confusing with 319, well it can, but again many other acronyms in WEN are also confusing, unless we clarify if we are talking about the CC, RTM, SC and so on.

Take 613 for example that we use all the time. 613 what?

Unless we specify if it is CC or NBT, or Mousse - we don't know what 613 we are talking about!

So, FF CC just fine with me. We could of course use FFR - Fragrance Free Rice, but why? We do not mention word "Rice" in neither - BGT or MIF.

FF!

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

Drythe — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:49:59 GMT

@bebe777

I like FF followed by whatever it is. Such as FF - CC.

Too bad we can't spell anything with it!

TY!

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

aprimo — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 16:21:55 GMT

I think FF will be fine. I think most people refer to the fragrance free NBT as 319, so I doubt there will be confusion.

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

quadmimi — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 20:05:01 GMT

Yes FF is good...easier to remember..

Thx for thinking of this..

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

NMCrazyCatLady — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 00:08:21 GMT

I like FF the best, but RFF wouldn't be bad.

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

yisbuff2 — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 16:15:17 GMT

FF or RFF is good with me! To me, distinguishing the 613 as 613 (knowing it is fragrance free) and calling this FF is most intuitive.

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

bebe777 — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 23:14:57 GMT

I'm going to give this a few more days for Wenners to weigh in before I add the acronym to the Wen Abbreviations Glossary, but FF looks like the clear favorite for the new Fragrance Free rice-based cleansing conditioner.

-- bebe

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

SurferWife — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 01:15:53 GMT

Call me the swing vote. Since WEN acronyms are most often 3 letters, my vote goes for RFF.

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

sonechko — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 01:21:37 GMT

Hawaii is a small State. It does not have that many electoral votes to swing it @SurferWife!

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

GingerPeach — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 09:05:33 GMT

Hi @bebe777

I do not like acronyms whatsoever but clearly I'm always in the minority in this regard (whether here or in an office setting). So never mind that.

What I really am writing this post for is to let you know that as of right now (Nov. 22 at 1 a.m PST), the link to the Glossary only loops again and again to the original thread from last year. I did click on the link at the bottom of that thread and it simply goes back to the whole thread again.

I didn't think that was what was supposed to happen. Perhaps you have taken it out of circulation for a time to update?

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

bebe777 — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 14:52:59 GMT

@GingerPeach, thanks so much for the heads up, but I'm not sure what you are referring to. Below I've copied and pasted the first four posts from the Wen Abbreviations Glossary.

Is this what you are seeing when you click on the link?

Thanks!!

-- bebe

________

WEN ABBREVIATIONS GLOSSARY

___

Message #1

The Wen abbreviations are listed in alpha sequence by product and then by scent. This is followed by some general information about the various Wen scents. I want to acknowledge the information provided by JeanLouiseFinch, okiebug and valleygirl22 which I used in compiling this glossary. -- I haven't updated the information since August 2014, so it doesn't have the latest product abbreviations. I'll be updating this information in the next month.

-- bebe Wen Quick Links - Wen FAQ - Wen 101 - Wen News - periscope - QVC WEN forum - November Chat 2015 - Wen Abbreviations Glossary

___

Message #2

Wen Product Abbreviations

BCC - Body Cleansing Creme

BL (or NBL) - (Nourishing) Body Lotion

CC - Cleansing Conditioner

EDT - Eau de Toilette

EDP - Eau de Parfum

FTC - Finishing Treatment Creme

GS - Glossing Serum

KDTS - Kids Detangling Treatment Spray

NBT - Nourishing Body Treatment

Mousse - Mousse

Oil - Treatment Oil

RM - Remoist

RTM - Replenishing Treatment Mist

SC - Styling Creme

Seasonal - Seasonal Cleansing Conditioner

VTS - Volumizing Treatment Spray

___

Message #3

Wen Abbreviations for Scents

____

319 -- fragrance free

613 -- lemon, rosemary & vanilla bean scent -- (soy/aa/n)

CA -- Cucumber Aloe -- (w)

CLV (or SCLV) -- Summer Coconut Lime Verbena -- (soy/aa/S)

BGT -- Bamboo Green Tea -- (r/N/aa/b)

FAS -- Fall Apple Spice -- (soy/aa/S)

FGP -- Fall Ginger Pumpkin -- (soy/aa/S)

FIG -- Fig -- (w)

FTP -- Fall Tuscan Pear -- (soy/aa/S)

LAV -- Lavender -- (w)

MEN -- Wen for Men -- (?)

MIF -- Mandarin Italian Fig -- (r/aa/b & I think it's nut-free)

POM -- Pomegranate -- (soy)

SAM -- Sweet Almond Mint -- (w)

SCLV (or CLV) -- Summer Coconut Lime Verbena -- (soy/aa/S)

SGGT -- Spring Gardenia Green Tea -- (soy/aa/S)

SHL -- Spring Honey Lilac -- (soy/aa/S)

SHP -- Summer Honey Peach -- (soy/N/aa/h/t/S)

SMC -- Summer Mango Coconut -- (soy/aa/S)

SOB -- Spring Orange Blossom -- (soy/aa/n/S)

STA -- Sweet Toasted Almond (for the STA Eau de Parfum)

TT -- Tea Tree -- (w)

WCM -- Winter Cranberry Mint -- (soy/aa/S)

WKA (or Apple) -- Apple -- (r/k/N)

WKSB (or Strawberry-Banana) -- Strawberry-Banana -- (r/k/N)

WKW (or Watermelon) -- Watermelon -- (r/k/N)

WVM -- Winter Vanilla Mint -- (soy/aa/S)

WWC -- Winter White Citrus -- (soy/aa/S)

____

Key Ingredients in Individual Cleansing Conditioner Scents

____

* aa - contains amino acids, which are the building blocks of protein

* b - bamboo water

* h - Honey Complex

* k - kid's formula / menthol free -- WK in abbreviation stands for "Wen Kids"

* N - nut-free

* r - rice-based

* S - Seasonals, which are all soy-based and all contain the amino acid complex. The summer Seasonals are currently available through August and are Summer Coconut Lime Verbena (SCLV or CLV), Summer Honey Peach (SHP), Summer Mango Coconut (SMC). -- Fall Ginger Pumpkin (FGP), Winter Vanilla Mint (WVM) and Spring Orange Blossom (SOB) are only available in the gallon size and are only offered during June Wen Gallons Month.

* soy - soy-based

* t - 4-Tea Complex

* w - wheat-based

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Note: I need to add Bamboo Water, Honey Complex, and 4-Tea Complex information for CCs.

____

Message #4

TYPES OF WEN CLEANSING CONDITIONERS

Core Cleansing Conditioners

* wheat-based: Sweet Almond Mint (SAM), Tea Tree (TT), Fig (FIG), Lavender (LAV), Cucumber-Aloe (CA)

* soy-based & wheat-free: Pomegranate (POM)

Note: Core CCs and Kids CCs do not have the amino acid complex.

Kids Cleansing Conditioners

* all rice-based - no wheat, gluten, soy, jojoba or nuts / menthol-free: Apple (WKA), Watermelon (WKW) & Strawberry-Banana (WKSB)

Note: Core CCs and Kids CCs do not have the amino acid complex.

Men's Head to Toe Cleansing Conditioner

* more information later

Restorative Cleansing Conditioners

-- all rice-based, wheat-free, soy-free, jojoba-free & nut-free /bamboo amino acid complex / additional skin care ingredients -- Chaz: "hybrid formula", "more similar to Seasonal category"

* Bamboo Green Tea (BGT)

* Mandarin Italian Fig (MIF)

SixThirteen (613) Cleansing Conditioner

* soy-based - no wheat, gluten, or nuts / most concentrated amino acid complex / additional skin care ingredients -- Chaz: "CC on steroids"

Seasonal Cleansing Conditioners

-- all soy-based - no wheat or gluten / amino acid complex / additional skin care ingredients

* Summer Coconut Lime Verbena (SCLV or CLV) -- June - Aug. 2015

* Spring Honey Lilac (SHL) -- Mar. - May 2015

* Winter White Citrus (WWC) -- Dec. 2014 - Feb. 2015

* Fall Tuscan Pear (FTP) -- Sept. - Nov. 2014

* Summer Honey Peach (SHP) -- June - Aug. 2014

* Spring Orange Blossom (SOB) -- Mar. - May 2014

* Winter Cranberry Mint (WCM) -- Dec. 2013 - Feb. 2014

* Fall Apple Spice (FAS) -- Sept. - Nov. 2013

* Summer Mango Coconut (SMC) -- June - Aug., in both 2012 & 2013

* Spring Gardenia Green Tea (SGGT) -- Mar. - May, in both 2012 & 2013

* Winter Vanilla Mint (WVM) -- Dec. - Feb., in winter of both 2011/12 & 2012/13

* Fall Ginger Pumpkin (FGP) -- Sept. - Nov., in both 2011 & 2012

Note: I think that the very popular Honey Complex, as well as the 4-Tea Complex, has been added to some of the Seasonal beginning with Summer Honey Peach (SHP).

* Note: each new Seasonal is generally only available for the three-month initial season when it was first introduced. -- Because Wenners get so attached to their favorite seasonals, this past year Chaz has been experimenting with "opening up" the Wen Seasonals closet, on a season by season basis. For each season, a limited quantity of the prior Seasonals (for that season) have been brought back. And when they're gone, they're really gone. So order sooner rather than later.

* Note: For the first time this June, Chaz has made four Seasonal scents available during June Wen Gallons Month: one for each season. He seems to have selected the most popular Seasonal for each season. -- It's too soon to know if the Seasonals will become a staple for June Wen Gallons Month, but they seem to be a welcome addition to the Wen gallons line.

Note: Additionally, for the past few December TSVs, Seasonals have been a part of the mix. The Wen December TSV generally includes (5) 16oz. Cleansing Conditioners and has been priced at $80 for the past few years. This past December, Chaz included a Seasonal TSV which included FGP, WVM, SMC, SOB & SHP -- They have been among the the most popular Seasonal scents.

----

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Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

GingerPeach — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 18:45:43 GMT

@bebe777

Thanks so much for getting back to me. It was the weirdest thing. When I clicked on the link, it took me to the thread starting with the post asking "What's this?" but then, for whatever reason, there weren't any posts listing all the acronyms, and the thread was oddly shorter. It did have your post at the bottom of that thread with a bunch of links that took me back to the beginning of the short thread.

I must have been reading poorly and was already half-asleep. That's the only thing I can think of that might explain it. (Although there have been "ghosts in my machine" from time to time.) :-)

So now THIS post is to thank you for listing all those acronyms. I believe I have ACD (acronym challenge disorder).

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

bebe777 — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 20:11:50 GMT

@GingerPeach, you're most welcome and thank you for getting back to me on that.

lol, I read you message. Then I read it again... and then I reread it again a few more times for good Measure, because I could not figure out what you were talking about. So I thought the best thing to do was repost the glossary information so you could explain to me what the problem.

I'm laughing as I type this, because your description of what you saw for so very funny. It sounds as though the QVC computer is a little bit stressed out.

I'm glad to know that now that you see the same thing that I see when I look at the Wen Abbreviations Glossary.

-- bebe

Re: Wen - acronym for rice-based Fragrance Free CC

bruingirl — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:16:18 GMT

@bebe777 wrote:

@GingerPeach, thanks so much for the heads up, but I'm not sure what you are referring to. Below I've copied and pasted the first four posts from the Wen Abbreviations Glossary.

Is this what you are seeing when you click on the link?

Thanks!!

-- bebe

________

WEN ABBREVIATIONS GLOSSARY

___

Message #1

The Wen abbreviations are listed in alpha sequence by product and then by scent. This is followed by some general information about the various Wen scents. I want to acknowledge the information provided by JeanLouiseFinch, okiebug and valleygirl22 which I used in compiling this glossary. -- I haven't updated the information since August 2014, so it doesn't have the latest product abbreviations. I'll be updating this information in the next month.

-- bebe Wen Quick Links - Wen FAQ - Wen 101 - Wen News - periscope - QVC WEN forum - November Chat 2015 - Wen Abbreviations Glossary

___

Message #2

Wen Product Abbreviations

BCC - Body Cleansing Creme
BL (or NBL) - (Nourishing) Body Lotion
CC - Cleansing Conditioner
EDT - Eau de Toilette
EDP - Eau de Parfum
FTC - Finishing Treatment Creme
GS - Glossing Serum
KDTS - Kids Detangling Treatment Spray
NBT - Nourishing Body Treatment
Mousse - Mousse
Oil - Treatment Oil
RM - Remoist
RTM - Replenishing Treatment Mist
SC - Styling Creme
Seasonal - Seasonal Cleansing Conditioner
VTS - Volumizing Treatment Spray

___

Message #3

Wen Abbreviations for Scents
____

319 -- fragrance free
613 -- lemon, rosemary & vanilla bean scent -- (soy/aa/n)
CA -- Cucumber Aloe -- (w)
CLV (or SCLV) -- Summer Coconut Lime Verbena -- (soy/aa/S)
BGT -- Bamboo Green Tea -- (r/N/aa/b)
FAS -- Fall Apple Spice -- (soy/aa/S)
FGP -- Fall Ginger Pumpkin -- (soy/aa/S)
FIG -- Fig -- (w)
FTP -- Fall Tuscan Pear -- (soy/aa/S)
LAV -- Lavender -- (w)
MEN -- Wen for Men -- (?)
MIF -- Mandarin Italian Fig -- (r/aa/b & I think it's nut-free)
POM -- Pomegranate -- (soy)
SAM -- Sweet Almond Mint -- (w)
SCLV (or CLV) -- Summer Coconut Lime Verbena -- (soy/aa/S)
SGGT -- Spring Gardenia Green Tea -- (soy/aa/S)
SHL -- Spring Honey Lilac -- (soy/aa/S)
SHP -- Summer Honey Peach -- (soy/N/aa/h/t/S)
SMC -- Summer Mango Coconut -- (soy/aa/S)
SOB -- Spring Orange Blossom -- (soy/aa/n/S)
STA -- Sweet Toasted Almond (for the STA Eau de Parfum)
TT -- Tea Tree -- (w)
WCM -- Winter Cranberry Mint -- (soy/aa/S)
WKA (or Apple) -- Apple -- (r/k/N)
WKSB (or Strawberry-Banana) -- Strawberry-Banana -- (r/k/N)
WKW (or Watermelon) -- Watermelon -- (r/k/N)
WVM -- Winter Vanilla Mint -- (soy/aa/S)
WWC -- Winter White Citrus -- (soy/aa/S)
____
____

Key Ingredients in Individual Cleansing Conditioner Scents
____

* aa - contains amino acids, which are the building blocks of protein
* b - bamboo water
* h - Honey Complex
* k - kid's formula / menthol free -- WK in abbreviation stands for "Wen Kids"
* N - nut-free
* r - rice-based
* S - Seasonals, which are all soy-based and all contain the amino acid complex. The summer Seasonals are currently available through August and are Summer Coconut Lime Verbena (SCLV or CLV), Summer Honey Peach (SHP), Summer Mango Coconut (SMC). -- Fall Ginger Pumpkin (FGP), Winter Vanilla Mint (WVM) and Spring Orange Blossom (SOB) are only available in the gallon size and are only offered during June Wen Gallons Month.
* soy - soy-based
* t - 4-Tea Complex
* w - wheat-based
____

Note: I need to add Bamboo Water, Honey Complex, and 4-Tea Complex information for CCs.
____

Message #4

TYPES OF WEN CLEANSING CONDITIONERS
--
Core Cleansing Conditioners
* wheat-based: Sweet Almond Mint (SAM), Tea Tree (TT), Fig (FIG), Lavender (LAV), Cucumber-Aloe (CA)
* soy-based & wheat-free: Pomegranate (POM)
Note: Core CCs and Kids CCs do not have the amino acid complex.
--
Kids Cleansing Conditioners
* all rice-based - no wheat, gluten, soy, jojoba or nuts / menthol-free: Apple (WKA), Watermelon (WKW) & Strawberry-Banana (WKSB)
Note: Core CCs and Kids CCs do not have the amino acid complex.
--
Men's Head to Toe Cleansing Conditioner
* more information later
--
Restorative Cleansing Conditioners
-- all rice-based, wheat-free, soy-free, jojoba-free & nut-free /bamboo amino acid complex / additional skin care ingredients -- Chaz: "hybrid formula", "more similar to Seasonal category"
* Bamboo Green Tea (BGT)
* Mandarin Italian Fig (MIF)
--
SixThirteen (613) Cleansing Conditioner
* soy-based - no wheat, gluten, or nuts / most concentrated amino acid complex / additional skin care ingredients -- Chaz: "CC on steroids"
--
Seasonal Cleansing Conditioners
-- all soy-based - no wheat or gluten / amino acid complex / additional skin care ingredients
* Summer Coconut Lime Verbena (SCLV or CLV) -- June - Aug. 2015
* Spring Honey Lilac (SHL) -- Mar. - May 2015
* Winter White Citrus (WWC) -- Dec. 2014 - Feb. 2015
* Fall Tuscan Pear (FTP) -- Sept. - Nov. 2014
* Summer Honey Peach (SHP) -- June - Aug. 2014
* Spring Orange Blossom (SOB) -- Mar. - May 2014
* Winter Cranberry Mint (WCM) -- Dec. 2013 - Feb. 2014
* Fall Apple Spice (FAS) -- Sept. - Nov. 2013
* Summer Mango Coconut (SMC) -- June - Aug., in both 2012 & 2013
* Spring Gardenia Green Tea (SGGT) -- Mar. - May, in both 2012 & 2013
* Winter Vanilla Mint (WVM) -- Dec. - Feb., in winter of both 2011/12 & 2012/13
* Fall Ginger Pumpkin (FGP) -- Sept. - Nov., in both 2011 & 2012
-
Note: I think that the very popular Honey Complex, as well as the 4-Tea Complex, has been added to some of the Seasonal beginning with Summer Honey Peach (SHP).
-
* Note: each new Seasonal is generally only available for the three-month initial season when it was first introduced. -- Because Wenners get so attached to their favorite seasonals, this past year Chaz has been experimenting with "opening up" the Wen Seasonals closet, on a season by season basis. For each season, a limited quantity of the prior Seasonals (for that season) have been brought back. And when they're gone, they're really gone. So order sooner rather than later.
-
* Note: For the first time this June, Chaz has made four Seasonal scents available during June Wen Gallons Month: one for each season. He seems to have selected the most popular Seasonal for each season. -- It's too soon to know if the Seasonals will become a staple for June Wen Gallons Month, but they seem to be a welcome addition to the Wen gallons line.
-
Note: Additionally, for the past few December TSVs, Seasonals have been a part of the mix. The Wen December TSV generally includes (5) 16oz. Cleansing Conditioners and has been priced at $80 for the past few years. This past December, Chaz included a Seasonal TSV which included FGP, WVM, SMC, SOB & SHP -- They have been among the the most popular Seasonal scents.
----

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just a few suggestions :

add Texture Balm (TB) to product list

add 11 amino acids (something Chaz likes to emphasize) to 613 daily cleansing treatment description