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QVC has n e r v e showing non-American West pieces during an AW show

Jugtown — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:13:24 GMT

I'm so annoyed . . first they cut back American West air time today, and then showing non-AW items? RIDIC! This is supposed to be the big AW event of the year? Come on now. I was expecting to see lots of new on-air . . I have to wait til later tonight I guess.

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dancingwoman — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:29:29 GMT

Juggie have you decided on the squash yet...I usually watch these shows with my sister ..we'd text back and forth the whole show..she's in NY...today she's at a grad party...so I'm kinda lonely and a little disappointed at the offerings so far...I'm so over SB.....DW

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RedUmbrella — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:47:08 GMT

It is annoying they keep showing other vendors sleeping beauty items during a show that was suppose to be devoted to AWJ.

So far IMO this years July 4th AWJ shows are a bust compared to last year. I remember last year there were so many amazing new pieces. I ordered at least 4 items and put a bunch more on my wish list. There was also lots of chatter not only on here but also the AWJ facebook page with everyone's excitement over all the new items they either ordered or wanted to purchase.

So far nothing has called to me. I did somewhat like the charm necklace presented during this show. I wonder if there will be OTO only during the next show today.

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Azcowgirl — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:53:47 GMT

Not a lot I'm excited about either. .....I'm thinking about the black leather necklace and bracelet with the silver conchas ... wish they were on easy pay though.

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Qulia — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:55:58 GMT

I thought Carolyn having to step out of her own show was very odd. Boy, that's a long way from the July 4th shows of the past! Remember when they went to Phoenix? Or the year she and Bill travelled all over the country for inspiration? This is a disappointment after that.

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Jugtown — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:59:34 GMT

Nope . . still haven't decided, DW! I'm sorry you're lonely . . me too . . no other women in my household lol. But I've been checking out the FB pix of all the ladies watching the show right now - looks like fun. I'm loving the big 2 stone coral ring and even Jennifer's big domed turq ring . . not sure on that yet, but one of the ladies there tried it on for me and said it's true to size and very nice!

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Qulia — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:59:49 GMT

And then they wrap her up five minutes early on her show so they can hawk the SB watch?! It just doesn't feel right. Seems rather rude. They must have a huge inventory of those watches.

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Perkup — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 20:02:06 GMT

So where are the wonderful pieces we once got on the Fourth from Black Hills? Have they stopped manufacturing or has QVC just dumped them. It was one of the few items I liked to shop for since DH is from the Dakotas originally and he loves their pieces.

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Jugtown — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 20:39:45 GMT

Hi Perkup . . . we're talking about American West jewelry here.

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giraffe77 — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 21:12:39 GMT

For me, the 2-4 p.m. EST show did not WOW me .... and Ms. Nettle's jewelry on .com is not my cup-of-tea (love when CP got her inspiration from Native Americans, not a country singer). Perhaps during the airing, JN's line will appeal more.

Somehow today's 7/4 A.W. celebration on the Q is a sleeper. Hope everyone enjoys their new pieces that WOWs them!

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Kachina624 — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 22:45:05 GMT

The early afternoon show was supposed to be turquoise "featuring" American West.

I realize I'm a loner here but I don't care for the American West Collection. I don't like leather jewelry and despise the use of brass. Sometime in the middle of the night on Jennifer's program they had a peach colored leather bracelet with a big rhodonite stone. The colors clashed terribly; I thought it was the worst piece I've seen Carolyn do. I haven't even been tempted.

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Kachina624 — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 22:48:43 GMT

Perk up said:
"So where are the wonderful pieces we once got on the Fourth from Black Hills? Have they stopped manufacturing or has QVC just dumped them. It was one of the few items I liked to shop for since DH is from the Dakotas originally and he loves their pieces."

They've been dumped. This thread is about American West.

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surfk — Sat, 04 Jul 2015 23:30:58 GMT

Living in Santa Fe for many years, I have accumulated a very large collection of Native American jewelry. I am a fan of jewelry as art. And I love the ethnography of pieces around the world.

Its sorta my "thang".

I like the fact that AW is American-made. Its infused here and there with pieces deigned by Native American artists (although the majority are not and are indeed merely the style).

Often, AW - for me - is a bit too "western Victorian" inspired for my personal tastes. Its a valid style, just not my style.

I think what AW does best is when they offer a rather simple, contemporary design. I'm not a flourishes and 1870's silver mine curly cue details person.

And the pieces which attempt to look like or pay homage to traditional Native American pieces, while nice, are definitely fashion-bent rather than authentic in most ways.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. QVC is a fashion-oriented retailer and not a museum store, if you will. lol

When you live in Santa Fe, you obviously see the world's greatest Native American jewelry and designs. You also see the sticker prices. So AW, for what it offers, does a rather good job delivering at a very particular price point.

I have been to the WAREHOUSES of jewelry that are in Albuquerque. Not just the slew of stores offering more accessible items as AW is - but actual warehouses where there are simply thousands and thousands of pieces housed...and ready to supply stores everywhere (all over the world).

You then really see why the premier jewelers have the status and prices which they do. Most of the jewelry produced is "western native" (sometimes Native American) in mass production. Santa Fe and a few galleries in Albuquerque offer true artisan pieces. And the prices are in the thousands -to start.

Some of the best deals - sometimes (only sometimes) - is a find when you're in Gallup, NM. That's rather the heart of where many Native American artisans live, work or do a lot of business. When you hit upon an incredible old pawn piece...it can be INCREDIBLE in both quality and price.

(Even writing about it gets my juices flowing).

So if one wants the basic "look", AW pieces, if selected carefully, can blend in or even do the trick. But in regards to the SB squash blossom necklace currently available, all that I personally see is a fashion piece. There is something "off" about the marriage between the necklace and the naja. Of course, they can be worn separately and there are myriad squash blossom designs made (there are classic, quintessential examples but also any variety of details).

But the naja's silverwork paired with the necklace look - TO ME - a bit hodge-podge or piecemeal. Its close but no cigar as they say in the cigar stores (or somewhere cigars are of importance to people).

For the MONEY and on EZ pay, it can do the trick or give a person that squash blossom "fix". Its not one I would buy as it just looks more fashion than authentic. But again, that's just me.

In fact, I'd have preferred it had been sold just as the necklace portion. I think its more elegant and striking than trying to force that particular naja into the picture.

But a genuine, authentic NATIVE AMERICAN (and not just American) -made piece could start almost twice the price of the AW one. I have pieces which are now worth tens of thousands of dollars.

I once bought a HUUUUUGE Sleeping Beauty cuff for $200 at Santa Fe Indian Market (every August, by the way - a huuuge event) maybe 15 years ago. Today, its value is at $4500 approx.

I KNOW!

But its Native American and huuuuuuge...and fortunately I was buying up SB when it really was still a true sleeper (of a stone).

Bottom line though as with anything, if you think its worth it to you and you can pay for it...you buy what you love. You'll rarely go wrong. You just don't want to ever be ripped off.

I think AW fills a niche and is quite reasonable for what it is.

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motherinlaw — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 00:16:26 GMT

Thank you for your insightful post, surfk. I want to get to the Indian Market one day....I have children that live in Phoenix and was told that it is a short flight to Santa Fe.

Having just been to the western side of South Dakota, I did not see much more than "fashion" pieces of Native American jewelry. Things more for the masses.

My dream is to get to Blue Rain Gallery and see more of Jodi Naranjo's work.

You are right, AW does fill a need if you are selective. I am grateful for this avenue of purchase.

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lolakimono — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 00:37:39 GMT

@Kachina624 wrote:
Sometime in the middle of the night on Jennifer's program they had a peach colored leather bracelet with a big rhodonite stone. The colors clashed terribly; I thought it was the worst piece I've seen Carolyn do. I haven't even been tempted.

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Jugtown — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 03:06:35 GMT

Cracks me up when people come here and feel the need to make many negative comments . . if you don't like the jewelry, don't buy it, but don't rain on our parade . . geeze. I really appreciate the N.A. info . . love the insite and really love authentic pieces. I really appreciate how well-made AW usually is as well . . there's room for it all lol!

Heads up on the Jennifer cuffs - the ladies at Q events this weekend said they were very nice and all had nice heft to them. One sista said the big domed turquoise (comes in other stones) ring is true to size and she loves it and bought it I'm now looking forward to seeing the JN pieces tomorrow.

I ended up buying the 2 stone coral ring and silver chevron ring. I canceled the pretty spiny ring until I see if they bring an enhancer in the future . . I've heard they may.

Happy 4th, ladies!

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RedUmbrella — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 03:43:28 GMT

Jug,

Thanks for the info on the JN pieces from the ladies who have seen them in person. The dome ring is interesting. I have had a problem ordering rings from Relios lately. It seems they are either too small or too big when I order true to size. With the new Q shipping policy, I can't afford to be ordering rings that may not fit properly.

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surfk — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 04:13:37 GMT

motherinlaw wrote:

Thank you for your insightful post, surfk. I want to get to the Indian Market one day....I have children that live in Phoenix and was told that it is a short flight to Santa Fe.

Having just been to the western side of South Dakota, I did not see much more than "fashion" pieces of Native American jewelry. Things more for the masses.

My dream is to get to Blue Rain Gallery and see more of Jodi Naranjo's work.

You are right, AW does fill a need if you are selective. I am grateful for this avenue of purchase.

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Santa Fe Indian Market (some refer to it locally as Indian Mark UP - lol) is August 22-23 this year.

But if you come, try to arrive to include, if possible, the week preceding the actual fair dates. The culmination of the event is the fair. But events are happening all that week before.

And as its Santa's biggest event, "The City Different" is in its highest-mode catering to people coming from everywhere. Everything is buzzing then. Restaurants are dishing up their best, etc.

But Indian Market is more than the 2-day event in the plaza itself. There are gallery shows and juried events, etc...all around town that week.

People from all over the world come. Its incredibly popular still with Australian and German visitors.

I'm part Italian and I even run into people from our Santa Fe sister city in Italy, Sorrento. I don't see them when I'm in Sorrento but then I run into them on the plaza in Santa Fe.

Funny how this global thing works sometimes.

My only advice for Indian Market is: Bring a good eye...and money.

And don't forget that Santa Fe is the oldest capital in the USA (yes, it is in the USA folks). So there's tons of history and other shopping to explore...if the $45,000 inlaid necklace might be out of one's reach.

Be sure also that everything Native American which you buy is SIGNED. Fortunately, Santa Fe has very strict regulations regarding authenticity and silver content, etc...Native American jewelry is one of the great cultural treasures of our country and the city does everything it can to protect that reputation and legacy.

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Kachina624 — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 04:25:57 GMT

That's the bracelet Lola, except the colors aren't true. The one they showed last night had very peach colored leather and hot purplish-pink stone. If it had looked like the photo. It would have been okay.

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Kachina624 — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 04:35:33 GMT

Jug town said:
"Cracks me up when people come here and feel the need to make many negative comments . . if you don't like the jewelry, don't buy it, but don't rain on our parade . . geeze. I really appreciate the N.A. info . . love the insite and really love authentic pieces. I really appreciate how well-made AW usually is as well . . there's room for it all lol!"

Well, Jugsie were all about opinions here and everyone has the right of expression. As you say, there's room for it all.

Did you see that Paul Deasy has blossomed out with an American-made collection? I guess he has the TS at Evine today but have no idea what it is. Didn't care enough to look.