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LITERARY ANECDOTES

Oznell — Sat, 24 Jun 2023 20:46:35 GMT

I find these, by and about, various authors so fascinating and revealing of personality...

The latest one I read was in a collection of essays by William F. Buckley, "A Torch Kept Lit-- Great Lives of the Twentieth Century", edited by James Rosen.

Buckley wrote that, upon their first meeting, the very first thing that Ayn Rand said to him, in her distinct Russian accent, was "You are too intelligent to believe in God!"

This, to the famously Christian, famously Catholic WFB. But, sophisticated Buckley was amused, found her to be a curiosity, and kept up the acquaintance, even though he loathed her utilitarian, 'every man for himself' philosophy.

His magazine, "National Review" was a frequent critic of her books. After he assigned the brilliant Whittaker Chambers to write a review of her work, she cut Buckley out completely. Any hostess of a glittering Manhattan party that included both of them as guests, would be cross examined by Ayn Rand. They would be informed that should Buckley attend, she would not. Or, she would only attend after he left, etc.

But there are far more eccentric examples of her behavior than that...

Another amusing one is, that Hans Christian Andersen, a big fan of his fellow author, came to visit Charles Dickens, and stayed for WEEKS. He engaged in kooky behavior, including crying on the lawn over a bad review, among other things. Dickens and his family were deeply relieved when the other great literary giant finally left.

Do you know of any personal anecdotes of authors that tend to make them more vivid and real to you, or shed more light on their work?

Later: Edited to change "gossip" to "anecdotes" in title thread, especially after reading @PickyPicky3 's riveting experience with a poet/friend!

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PickyPicky3 — Sat, 24 Jun 2023 17:53:43 GMT

@Oznell I have a story but I can't disclose the person's name. Should I post it?

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Oznell — Sat, 24 Jun 2023 20:44:04 GMT

I love that you are so considerate and discreet, @PickyPicky3 ! For me, it's delicate also. I don't like putting living people, public figures, in a bad light, (if the story does reflect poorly on them) when I don't really know the incidents to be absolutely true, in every respect.

I think you can rely on your instincts. Sometimes, you can relate an incident, which is fascinating in and of itself, and keep the identities of the people completely anonymous. If you can't, and would feel uncomfortable, you should not.

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PickyPicky3 — Sat, 24 Jun 2023 20:04:23 GMT

@Oznell We have lots of readers here who are interested in the creative writing process, so here goes:

I had the great fortune to have had a friendship with an award-winning poet. Award-winning is just step one: he was a groundbreaking genius. He has passed on, and I miss him.

But he had a very strange way of composing his poems. He tested them out on a small group of friends. That meant that any time day or night you could get a phone call like this:

"Hey, it's me. Listen to this line. Now listen to this other version. Which one's better?"

He was also sensitive to the difference between poetry spoken aloud and poetry read privately. That meant I'd get a knock on my door at 7:00 am:

"I didn't want to come too early. Please read these three versions and rank them."

What's ironic is only once did the version I liked end up in a book. Always a bridesmaid; never a bride.

Over the years since his death I occasionally get calls or e-mails from a person doing academic research or preparing a talk show on his work. I always tell them they've reached the wrong person.

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Oznell — Sat, 24 Jun 2023 20:44:30 GMT

Wow, @PickyPicky3 , thank you for relating your first-hand knowledge of how a great poet worked!

Despite being deprived of sleep, and not always having your advice taken, how extremely flattering that he thought so highly of your discernment that he would consult you, pick your brain, sound you out, etc.!

Oh, I love this story so much. I'm going to change the title of this thread to "Literary Anecdotes", rather than literary gossip. That's what I meant, rather than "gossip", and your fascinating experience with him proves that out.

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PickyPicky3 — Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:56:33 GMT

@Oznell I guess literary gossip/anecdotes is hard to come by. Unless you're always invited to the right parties.

My only other offering is not significant but still brings a smile.

I was boarding a flight in Alaska and the aisle line was just not moving. Not bad if you're stuck leaning over Erica Jong, one of my favorite authors. I told her I would forever regret it if I didn't take the opportunity to thank her for hours of reading enjoyment.

She said thank you. I remained unable to move for another three minutes, but I didn't say anything else.

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Oznell — Mon, 26 Jun 2023 19:06:41 GMT

By far, @PickyPicky3 , your anecdotes are the best, in the sense that they are the result of first-hand experiences with the authors themselves. Probably few of us are lucky enough to have had any of those.

I meant, also, the broader category of real life "stories" about the writers, extracted from their lives, and written about. I wish I could remember all the tidbits I've picked up over the years, just by reading bios and interviews, rats.

Let's see. Oh-- this always stuck in my mind. At least one credible biographer of Sylvia Plath, believes that her final suicide attempt, was almost certainly, although sincerely anquished, a cry for help, gone wrong. In other words, it was reasonable to think that she thought she'd be rescued before she died. If the timing of visiting nurse, etc., had not gone awry, it's a fairly sure thing she would have been rescued in time. So heart-breaking to think about-- a tragedy could have been averted, and she might have had many more years of living and creative brilliance...

Another tidbit that stopped me in my tracks is that the author of "Pilgrim's Progress", John Bunyan, as prolific as he was, spent over a decade in prison in the midst of his literary career, and didn't have to. In Britain in the 1600's, it was dangerous for "Puritans" and others to depart from the established Church of England creed, and the titanic Bunyan would not be deterred from interpreting the gospel as he knew it. And, he was told he could go home to his family at any time if he would just relent, but he did not. Such courage.

But at least he wasn't executed as so many others were.

Another item (that probably others who like Louisa May Alcott already know, but I didn't really, until recently), is that they've pretty much pinpointed the multi-symptom illness that plagued her for over 20 years and resulted in her early death in her 50's. She probably had acute mercury poisoning, resulting from a mercury treatment for typhoid, during the period that she nursed Civil War soldiers. The rashes, the pain, headaches, rheumatism, probably severe hypertension, all the other symptoms that she kept careful track of, can be traced back to that. There's some suggestion of lupus too. Ultimate cause of death was stroke. Anyway, like many Victorians, especially women, she suffered from a daunting array of aliments, yet, again, the vitality of her output astonishes.

Those are among the few I can readily remember! But if you, or anyone else, knows interesting biographical facts about your favorite writers, would enjoy hearing.

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PickyPicky3 — Mon, 26 Jun 2023 20:31:00 GMT

@Oznell Perhaps there's a new literary trivia book in your future? There's a lot of them out there, but always room for one more.

My brain simply doesn't store unrelated facts, even if they're fascinating. My ex's brain stored nothing but.

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Oznell — Mon, 26 Jun 2023 23:05:45 GMT

@PickyPicky3 , ha, not I! I'm like you. It was hard enough to dredge up those, and I had to double-check online to make sure I was remembering right. But, if you read enough biographies, and depending on your interest in the author, a few salient facts about them are bound to stick.

And it doesn't have to be anything earth-shaking, can be as simple as that Mark Twain once mined for California gold, or something....

Or that Jacqueline Susann was once an actress (wasn't she??)

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QVCisFun — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 10:59:43 GMT

My husband said that he'd read that one of the first mentions of baseball was by Jane Austen in "Northanger Abbey".

Decades ago I had heard and read that one of Ayn Rand's favorite composers was Rachmaninoff and one of her favorite artists was Jose Manuel Capuletti. And just learned that a couple of other admirers of Capuletti were Arthur Rubenstein and Gladys Lloyd Robinson (Mrs. Edward G. Robinson).

@Oznell , I remember that you had mentioned Jonah Goldberg before. You may already know that his mother is Lucianne Goldberg, and you may already know about her. Also, she has a website which you may already know about: Lucianne dot com .

After reading what you wrote about Louisa May Alcott's diagnosed illness, I looked it up to learn more and read that she was diagnosed by a professor and a colleague who had looked at a portrait of her with a rash on her face 119 years after her death. Medical diagnosis through art is interesting. Many years ago I had read an article about a cancer specialist that had visited the Medici Chapel in Florence, Italy and diagnosed breast cancer in the Michelangelo marble statue "Night".

I read that (among many other famous writers and poets) Mark Twain, Ayn Rand, Raymond Chandler, Sylvia Plath, P.D. James, and Ray Bradbury loved cats.

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Oznell — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 16:00:02 GMT

@QVCisFun , that is a fab nugget right there, a baseball reference in "Northanger Abbey"! I'll have to reread and look for it! You have some great tidbits. I always love finding out who loved cats. Off-topic, (since he was an actor, not primarily a writer), James Mason was wild for cats too. Now I'm thinking he may have written a book on cats, or his cat?? Not sure.

Yeah, they had a lot to work with in diagnosing Louisa May Alcott's illness. It was a wide variety of sources that led to their conclusions. Apparently, she also kept meticulous records of her symptoms, which is interesting.

I got hooked on Jonah's "animal content" in his twitter feed during Covid. Don't get me started! He films his rambunctious "dingo" Zoe and his timid spaniel, Pippa, his cat Gracie and their wandering neighbor cat, Chester, on all their adventures, and they are so cute.

I refuse to get sucked into all the animal videos out there, you could watch for hours! But allow myself Jonah's brief, episodic snippets on a restricted basis, ha.

Thanks for contributing your terrific literary tidbits!

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YouGoGirl1 — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 17:58:19 GMT

@Oznell, Just some fun trivia. Speaking of James Mason,

his son Morgan is married to Belinda Carlisle. She was the lead singer of The Go-Go's the 80's Pop Rock Band.

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Oznell — Tue, 27 Jun 2023 23:04:36 GMT

Hey, that is fun trivia, @YouGoGirl1 ! What an interesting pairing, and combination of show biz genes. Both of them have led extraordinary lives.

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QVCisFun — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 08:48:13 GMT

@Oznell , In case you prefer to find the "Northanger Abbey" baseball ("base ball") reference on your own, I have put the information for the chapter and paragraph in a Spoiler tag.

My husband said the the baseball quote was in the first chapter of "Northanger Abbey":

"Mrs. Morland was a very good woman, and wished to see her children everything they ought to be; but her time was so much occupied in lying-in and teaching the little ones, that her elder daughters were inevitably left to shift for themselves; and it was not very wonderful that Catherine, who had by nature nothing heroic about her, should prefer cricket, base ball, riding on horseback, and running about the country at the age of fourteen, to books--or at least books of information--for, provided that nothing like useful knowledge could be gained from them, provided they were all story and no reflection, she had never any objection to books at all."

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QVCisFun — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 08:58:58 GMT

@Oznell , I looked up the book that you mentioned that James Mason may have written about cats and saw that he co-wrote the book "The Cats In Our Lives" with his then-wife, and he also did the illustrations for the book.

Your story about Hans Christian Andersen visiting and staying for weeks with Charles Dickens reminded me of two biographies that I read where the men travelled and stayed with friends. It has been many, many years since I read those two books, mentioned below.

I recall both books to be interesting and entertaining to read. No need to know mathematics or baseball to enjoy the books. The books are listed below.

"The Catcher Was a Spy, the Mysterious Life of Moe Berg", by Nicholas Dawidoff. Moe Berg was a Jewish American major league baseball player, knew many languages, graduated from Princeton and from Columbia law school, and was recruited by the OSS. The book was made into a movie around 2018 although I have not seen the movie.

"The Man Who Loved Only Numbers, the Story of Paul Erdos and the Search for Mathematical Proof", by Paul Hoffman. Paul Erdos (have been told it is pronounced Air-Dish) was a prolific mathematician who travelled and stayed with friends, often fellow mathematicians with which he collaborated on math issues.

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YouGoGirl1 — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:10:32 GMT

Hermann Hesse, German & Swiss born poet, writer & painter, was believed to be possessed by the devil.

And was seen by an exorcist to rid him of evil demons.

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Oznell — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 16:43:48 GMT

Both books sound very interesting, @QVCisFun , thanks for the tip! And I love the Jane Austen excerpt about baseball-- who would have thought!

Whoo, @YouGoGirl1 , that is an amazing fact about Herman Hesse, one I had never heard before, thanks for supplying that! I wonder if they ultimately considered the exorcism to be successful....

I didn't realize when posting this topic, that we would get the variety of fascinating input, love this.

Re: LITERARY ANECDOTES

QVCisFun — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 22:23:59 GMT

@Oznell wrote:
I always love finding out who loved cats.

@Oznell , Here is a website about cats "in history, art and literature": thegreatcat dot org

Near the upper-right corner of that website is a pull-down menu called "Famous Cat Lovers".

The website is worth a ~~purruse~~ peruse.

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YouGoGirl1 — Wed, 28 Jun 2023 23:02:20 GMT

Samuel Langhorne Clemens, signed his writings with the

pseudonym "Josh," and later settled on the name Mark Twain.

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PickyPicky3 — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:29:42 GMT

@QVCisFun Thanks for the Moe Berg book mention. I had both an aunt and an uncle in the OSS and I so regret never asking them exactly what they did.

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