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08/17/2021 Big Brother 23 Live Feed Spoilers and Updates!!!

gardenman — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 11:51:39 GMT

And not a lot to update today. Kyland used his POV to save Claire and then put up Britini, and Alyssa didn't use hers, so the nominees are Britini and Derek F. After an initial hissy fit from Britini the house calmed down and everyone got a chance to be outside and just mellowed out for a bit.

Derek X and Claire largely gave up on their plan to get rid of Derek F after learning that Sarah Beth and Alyssa were voting out Britini. Derek F continues to insist he's the target this week. (He knows he's not.) He and Azah continue to insist they're Britini's best friends in the whole wide world and they love her as they stab her in the back.

Hannah asked if they were going to tell Britini about the Cookout in their goodbye messages and both said no. Hannah might though. She's clever. She knows exposing the alliance can work in her favor with the jury, just as Josh did in BB19. Watch for that Thursday night if we get to see Hannah's goodbye message. Jury management is important and Britini will learn about the Cookout at some point before she votes for a winner, so the first to break the news to her may gain an edge. Hannah might end up eking out the win this year.

The house is planning for a house Olympics today, but many of their plans end up not happening. Boredom tends to drive them all a tick insane, so they try to find ways to entertain themselves, and making plans that they don't follow up on is one way to do so.

Some are anticipating the slip and slide for HOH this week. I doubt it as CBS has the High Rollers thing for Sunday's show instead. They don't need an endurance comp. We could see the slip and slide as the POV comp though. They need a name comp for the houseguests to wager accurately. I think the houseguests can choose between the first and second High Roller comp this week, so we could see more bets on who will win POV again. Most in the house are nervous about the roulette wheel comp option for this week and its randomness. (This is BB though, so there's likely a magnet hidden someplace to ensure the "right" person ends up nominated.)

Things should stay quiet today as they relax and prepare for Thursday. There's no real consensus on who gets nominated on Thursday, but Claire, Alyssa, Derek X, and Sarah Beth are all possible targets. If anyone breaks from the Cookout, I think it might be Tiffany. I'm pretty sure she knows she can't beat Hannah, Xavier, or Kyland. Kyland could splinter off also as his polling has shown that Tiffany and Xavier are viewed by the house as the most influential. He probably would prefer not to have either in the later stages of the game and getting rid of them on his own would be challenging.

If I was putting money on a winner right now, it would be on Hannah. She's likely to get to the final four or five whether the Cookout stays intact or splinters. If the Cookout stays intact and Xavier or Kyland wins HOH, then Tiffany and Hannah would likely be the nominees, and I suspect the rest of the Cookout (Azah and Derek F in particular) would be happy to vote out Tiffany. (I'm pretty sure everyone is looking at Derek F and Azah as their Victoria to drag to the end this year.) Then she'd really only need to beat whichever of Xavier and Kyland hadn't won HOH at six to be the HOH and she'd target both Xavier and Kyland. Then a veto win and she's in the final three.

If the Cookout splinters she's allied with Tiffany, Claire, and Derek X, all are bigger targets than her. And that would be a pretty strong foursome with bigger targets ahead of her. Hannah's put herself in a pretty good spot for now. If you're betting on who will win, Hannah is a pretty smart bet.

Tiffany may be the longest of long shots right now if the Cookout stays intact. She's likely out a five or six. More likely six. Azah and Derek F will be seriously pushing whoever the HOH is at six to put her up. If it's Kyland he may not need much of a push knowing how influential Tiffany is. I'm pretty sure she knows that also. She's said she's there for the money and not a cause, so splintering off of the Cookout is smarter for her, but will she? Could she win if she did?

If Tiffany splintered off and allied with Derek X, Claire, and Hannah could she win? Derek X would be a heck of a shield for her. Hannah too to some extent. If they were able to get rid of Kyland they might be able to bring in Sarah Beth to give them five with Sarah Beth being their sacrificial lamb. Could Sarah Beth, Claire, and Tiffany make it to the top three? Maybe. Then it comes down to luck as to who gets to one and two. If Tiffany made it to one of those spots with a Cookout-heavy jury, she should win. The pressure on the jury to vote for the black woman would be immense, even though Azah and Derek F were not fans of her.

Tiffany is the player to watch going forward. Does she work to protect Claire, Derek X, and Hannah? And maybe Sarah Beth? Protecting Sarah Beth would be a clear giveaway as she's made it clear she wants her out, but keeping Sarah Beth could be helpful for Tiffany in the end game if she splinters off from the Cookout.

I suspect Tiffany is going slowly insane trying to decide what to do. Does she throw away her best chance at $750,000 to make a statement, or does she do what's best for her chance to get to the end and actually win? We'll know more in the next week or two. I don't see Azah, Derek F, or Xavier leaving the Cookout. Kyland could if he wanted to save Sarah Beth, but I suspect he'd yield to pressure and stay. Hannah would likely stay in the Cookout unless she saw a better path forward.

Tiffany is the wildcard. She's arguably safer outside the Cookout than inside it. She has better relations with the non-Cookout side of the house than the cookout. Azah and Derek F would gladly vote her out. Derek X and Claire would be more likely to keep her. We'll have to see what happens going forward, and whoever wins HOH this week could change the script.

Re: 08/17/2021 Big Brother 23 Live Feed Spoilers and Updates!!!

Marp — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:41:01 GMT

@gardenman, keeping in mind that I do not have the feeds so only know what I read here and seen during broadcast why is Kyland so low in popularity?

Re: 08/17/2021 Big Brother 23 Live Feed Spoilers and Updates!!!

gardenman — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:00:06 GMT

@Marp wrote:
@gardenman, keeping in mind that I do not have the feeds so only know what I read here and seen during broadcast why is Kyland so low in popularity?

If you look up the word "blather" in the dictionary, you'll find a picture of Kyland. Blather is defined as "talking long-windedly without making very much sense." That's Kyland. He talks and he talks and he talks, and none of what he says makes much sense, but everyone just nods then gets together later to try and figure out what he was actually saying. Be glad you don't have the live feeds when Kyland is featured on them. Your eyes will glaze over and you'll start to nod off.

He's a strange duck. There's something just not quite right there. He's a good competitor, but there's something missing. Sarah Beth has more or less taken a mother role with him and you'll often find him lying with his head in her lap (not in a sexual way) as she strokes his hair. He's different than anyone else we've seen in the house in the past. I can't really compare him to any previous houseguest. He's somewhat needy and a bit lost much of the time. He has child-like energy to him much of the time.

Re: 08/17/2021 Big Brother 23 Live Feed Spoilers and Updates!!!

Marp — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:05:39 GMT

Thanks Gman. That was helpful.

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gardenman — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:13:02 GMT

Just to build on that with Kyland, he gets very excited and energized when he gets a new idea or thought. There's a certain "Oh, this will be great!" when that happens, even if it's a stupid idea. You can feel the energy radiating off of him at those points. When he gets confused (which is fairly often) he gets very confused. He's not good at hiding what he feels. Child-like describes him in many ways. Sarah Beth is his house mommy more than a love interest. He looks to her for comfort and reassurance. Roles Sarah Beth plays well.

Re: 08/17/2021 Big Brother 23 Live Feed Spoilers and Updates!!!

GRANNY77 — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:40:13 GMT

Some of these girls (like Hannah, Tiff and Claire) need to start winning HOH and getting out these guys like X and Ky. Come on girls!!! The guys are collecting quite a resume for the $750,000.

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lilybelle — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:52:45 GMT

I agree @GRANNY77 !

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mspatmac — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 19:01:41 GMT

@GRANNY77 I agree. I don't analize, I depend on @gardenman every morning to keep it all straight for me. However, IMHO they need to get rid of the puppet master Tiffany then go for the strongest players. I like Hannah a lot but 2 POV's and all they are doing is getting rid of Brit? Guess I'm not looking as long range as others.

Re: 08/17/2021 Big Brother 23 Live Feed Spoilers and Updates!!!

SusieQ_2 — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 19:31:48 GMT

It's hard to imagine that Tiff would consider splintering off into a new alliance but, hey, never say never. I don't see it happening but stranger things have happened so who knows?

As to Hannah winning the season--maybe. And personally I wouldn't mind that at all. She's done some good maneuvering in the game but I'd like to see her win at least a comp or two. Not that it's a requirement, especially if you're reading "How to win Big Brother according to Dr. Will."

It seems X and Kyland are hoping Alyssa wins hoh this week and takes out DX. Then their preference for eviction becomes SB, Alyssa and Claire.

Will Tiff work her magic to save DX or is it now down to the final stages of the plan where she's not going be as concerned with the order? I know she'd rather see SB and Alyssa go first but much will depend on who wins hoh and the results of the High Roller twist.

Last night Tiffany gave DX a haircut. It was fun to watch and she did a good job. DX looks very cute as always.

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occasionalrain — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 20:30:50 GMT

I don't care for Hannah, she's a ride along.

Re: 08/17/2021 Big Brother 23 Live Feed Spoilers and Updates!!!

gardenman — Tue, 17 Aug 2021 21:15:30 GMT

They're already on an indoor lockdown which is very early. Production may be setting up a sample comp for them to practice on. Long indoor lockdowns like this are typically for comps with mechanical stuff that needs to be tested like the wall comp, but they've already done the wall comp. They have the High Rollers Room for Sunday's show so we shouldn't see an endurance comp like slip and slide for HOH.

They had a golf comp for HOH already. They sometimes will give them a sample of that comp to practice on. Maybe it's the slingshot type comp where they fire something from a slingshot to score points? That could need some practice time for the houseguests. Hmmm...we'll have to see. If the feeds go down for an hour or two, it'll likely be for practice of some sort.

I can't think of a typical HOH comp other than the wall comp or other endurance comps that require a long setup time. BB Comics takes some time to set up, but it's not a comp that airs live. They did air this week's HOH comp on Sunday though, so maybe it will be an endurance comp? Hmmm.... interesting.

Re: 08/17/2021 Big Brother 23 Live Feed Spoilers and Updates!!!

gardenman — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 00:02:57 GMT

The house is boring tonight so time for a chat. If I had to rank which Cookout members were most likely to splinter off it would be Tiffany, Kyland, Hannah, and Xavier, in that order and that's pretty much it. Azah and Derek F have no one else so they're in the Cookout to stay.

Why is Tiffany the most likely? On multiple occasions, she's said that she's there to win BB, not for a cause. She's also made it clear multiple times that the people in the Cookout aren't who she'd prefer to be allied with. She's tried to make amends recently with Azah, but they're two quite different people. If winning BB is her goal then comes the question, can she win as part of the Cookout? Eh, probably not.

If the Cookout are the final six then she has to beat Xavier, Kyland, and Hannah if the comp is physical and she can't. She's not good on mental comps. Kyland gift-wrapped the last HOH for her and she still lost it. If it's a random luck comp she has a one in six chance of winning HOH. The odds of Tiffany being the HOH at six are not good.

At six they have to pick off a Cookout member. No one else is left. Azah and Derek F aren't threats to win at anything but a blind luck challenge so smart players, and Xavier, Hannah, and Kyland are smart, will keep those two around. They'd know that Tiffany would have lots of votes in the jury. Claire, Derek X, Britini, and maybe Sarah Beth could/would vote for Tiffany. With it only taking five votes to win, that's a pretty good head start for Tiffany. So, they would want her out of contention as early as possible.

I don't see Tiffany lasting past five or six if she stays in the Cookout. If she's truly there to win BB, then staying in the Cookout won't get the job done. She's got other options that could get her farther in the game in Claire, Derek X, and Hannah if she could break Hannah free from the Cookout. Maybe even Sarah Beth, but I think Tiffany is a little too hung-up on Sarah Beth for that to work, but it would give her an extra soldier. The same with Alyssa but Tiffany and Alyssa don't seem all that close.

That foursome/fivesome would leave Tiffany with bigger targets than her that the others might go after before her, but also some players she could beat near the end. The Derek X/Hannah duo would be an issue for her, but she might be able to split them up down the road. If her goal is to truly win BB, then she pretty much has to abandon the Cookout while she has other options.

If Claire or Derek X wins HOH this week, she could go to the HOH room and say, "There's something you should know," and spill the beans. Claire and Derek X are pretty much already there and she knows it, so it's not like she'd be telling them something they don't already suspect, but she'd be confirming it and earning their trust. She could vow to work with them while still outwardly appearing to be in the Cookout and act shocked when Kyland and Xavier are nominated by Derek X/Claire/whoever.

It's not like ratting out the Cookout to Claire or Derek X would hurt her standing in the game. Swear them to secrecy and play the sneaky double-agent role. It would be a Dan Gheesling type move, but it might get Tiffany a lot closer to the win than staying in the Cookout would. Tiffany could play the middle and as long as she didn't win HOH (a fairly safe bet) she wouldn't have to show her cards. She could join Claire, Derek X, and whoever in voting out Cookout members while staying safe (well safer) herself.

Kyland would be my second most likely to flip as he's got this weird thing with Sarah Beth. His problem is all he has is Sarah Beth. If he were to flip, he wouldn't have the numbers necessary to survive long. He'd need to find more allies and that's tough at this stage of the game.

Xavier could want to keep Alyssa, but I think of the four possible flippers, he's the least attached to his partner and the most dedicated to the Cookout

Hannah is kind of an assassin. She likes Derek X, but she's also made it clear she's willing to move on from him. Could she flip to protect him? Eh, if she joined with Tiffany and was more or less forced into it, yeah. A Tiffany and Derek X/Claire double-team where they tell her they know all about the Cookout and are taking out either Kyland or Xavier now and the rest later and she could be with them or a target for them might have her align with them. She could also play the double-agent role and hang around the middle as long as she didn't win HOH where she'd have to pick a side.

Xavier and Kyland are the big obstacles to anyone else winning in the house right now. They're both likely eyeing Azah or Derek F as their final two partners. If you get Xavier/Kyland out, the game is wide open. Derek X would be an issue as would Hannah, but they can't win everything. Take a shot at them when one is exposed.

I think Tiffany and Hannah are perfectly positioned to play the double-agent role. It pretty much doubles their chances of winning the game and if you're truly there to win, doubling your chances is pretty darn good. Hannah could possibly win it without splintering off. She's good enough. But among the Cookout, she has very few true friends. She and Tiffany are too closely associated and if the Cookout went to the final six, and one went on the block, the other would be alongside her. One would likely go at six and the other at five. Sure, you'd guarantee a black person won, but you'd also pretty much guarantee it wouldn't be you. If you're there to win, it's time to make a move.

Will Tiffany make a move? I don't know. She's been off her game after failing to save Christian last week. I'm pretty sure she knows she doesn't have Azah and Derek F on her side. She has to know she's not likely to win many comps. I don't think anyone wants to take her to the final two. If she was watching from the outside, she might see how playing the double-agent role would benefit her. Being on the inside, she might not be seeing it. We'll have to see. A Claire or Derek X win of HOH this week could be very interesting though. It would give her an opening to make a bold move.

Re: 08/17/2021 Big Brother 23 Live Feed Spoilers and Updates!!!

SusieQ_2 — Wed, 18 Aug 2021 05:21:19 GMT

There's a great discussion taking place on exactly this subject this evening on RHAP's stock watch. It's almost over and the stock portion is about to start but if this is a subject you're curious about, or if you're interested in why the six are willing to stick together to the end, you should go back and listen to the first 30-40 minutes of the discussion. It's definitely interesting and worthwhile.