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Disappointed in the ID Network Re Dr. Jeff MacDonald Upcoming Show

Pearlee — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:10:23 GMT

I like the Investigation Discovery (ID) Network and watch it often. But now it is promoting an upcoming show about the Jeffrey MacDonald case (yet another show about it? Nobody will portray MacDonald better than Gary Cole did!) and its title is Final Vision. Really ID Network? You had to "steal" the name of Joe McGinnis' book and subsequent TV miniseries starring Cole and the late Karl Malden about it, based on the book, entitled Fatal Vision? You mean you couldn't even come up with an original title, but have to mislead viewers into thinking it is Fatal Vision? That's awful! I'm ashamed of the network for doing that - I would have given it more credit.

And what's with rehashing all these well publicized crimes that have all been done before? This one, the Menendez Brothers, etc. There are a spate of them lately. I did make an argument here once defending them because not everyone is my age and remembers these (I remember the Manson murders that far back!) so they can be educational in teaching of a famous crime. But really, I can't imagine the ID version of this is going to be better than the Fatal Vision miniseries. Good grief, there are enough crimes in this country to reenact other ones. Many are fascinating - why rehash these? They are getting to be like movie remakes!

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jannabelle1 — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:26:49 GMT

DH and I watch ID channel as well, but I have no problem with watching another program about Dr. MacDonald and the murders of his family. I too have read the book and watched other shows about it, and I do remember when it happened. I'm looking forward to ID's show and I'm sure there are younger people who may not be familiar with it. Who knows - there might be another "slant" to it. After everything I've read and watched, I never thought he was guilty.

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proudlyfromNJ — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:35:58 GMT

I didn't watch the Menendez brothers series, but I may watch this one. Always intrigued me. I think he did it and would like to see him confess someday. Like that will ever happen. These were horrendous murders that horrified a whole country.

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Moonchilde — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:55:31 GMT

Remember when it happened; remember when he was arrested and re-tried and convicted. I worked at the hospital where he was working in the ER. I both saw the mini-series and read the book, and have never felt he was anything but totally guilty. The man is another OJ.

I have always kept up with his appeals, magazine articles, etc. I would not mind seeing another POV. But if it’s just all the “new evidence” that MacDonald himself has put forth and the judge has been very unimpressed with, then it’s just another con job from MacDonald.

As for the title, Joe McGinniss wrote a sequel in 2012 titled Final Vision, so I can only assume the title is being used with his knowledge and consent - and is based partly on McGinniss’ second book - especially since McGinniss is portrayed onscreen in the new series. None of that would occur without McGinniss signing off on it all. It could well be created from the second book.

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dex — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 02:25:14 GMT

I watch that channel exclusively and would like to see some new stuff too...just saying that I agree with op.If you watch often you see the same programs being repeated and remade.

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Moonchilde — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 02:42:19 GMT

I’m 3/4 of the way through Final Vision, which I purchased right after I posted. I’m about 80% finished with it already (it’s only 77 pages). It’s a re-hash of the history of the crime and all trials, re-trials, re-visiting accusations, witnesses, judges, prosecutors, etc. yadda yadda. It also rebuts specific slander aimed at McGinniss.

I think the program will consist of this history of the crime, trials and evidence, with all the latest tricks and claims (which are almost 2 years old now), and will end saying there IS nothing new...because...it’s true - there is no new info that hasn’t been known for decades.

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proudlyfromNJ — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:09:46 GMT

@Moonchilde wrote:
I’m 3/4 of the way through Final Vision, which I purchased right after I posted. I’m about 80% finished with it already (it’s only 77 pages). It’s a re-hash of the history of the crime and all trials, re-trials, re-visiting accusations, witnesses, judges, prosecutors, etc. yadda yadda. It also rebuts specific slander aimed at McGinniss.

I think the program will consist of this history of the crime, trials and evidence, with all the latest tricks and claims (which are almost 2 years old now), and will end saying there IS nothing new...because...it’s true - there is no new info that hasn’t been known for decades.

Agree completely with your last sentence. That's why I'd love to see him confess. Maybe on his deathbed?.. But I don't think so.

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Moonchilde — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:32:40 GMT

@proudlyfromNJ wrote:
@Moonchilde wrote:
I’m 3/4 of the way through Final Vision, which I purchased right after I posted. I’m about 80% finished with it already (it’s only 77 pages). It’s a re-hash of the history of the crime and all trials, re-trials, re-visiting accusations, witnesses, judges, prosecutors, etc. yadda yadda. It also rebuts specific slander aimed at McGinniss.

I think the program will consist of this history of the crime, trials and evidence, with all the latest tricks and claims (which are almost 2 years old now), and will end saying there IS nothing new...because...it’s true - there is no new info that hasn’t been known for decades.
Agree completely with your last sentence. That's why I'd love to see him confess. Maybe on his deathbed?.. But I don't think so.

@proudlyfromNJ, I think that somewhere in there, he’s managed to convince himself that the story he concocted is true. His actions and the physical evidence show that he was in coverup mode during the murders, so he knew. But he’s such a sociopath he convinced himself later it was as the fairytale he created.

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proudlyfromNJ — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:38:45 GMT

@Moonchilde. I think you're right.

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millieshops — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 03:53:26 GMT

@PearleeDoes MacDonald have another appeal coming up? Is that why the new show?

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BalletBabe — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 04:01:40 GMT

@Pearlee wrote:
I like the Investigation Discovery (ID) Network and watch it often. But now it is promoting an upcoming show about the Jeffrey MacDonald case (yet another show about it? Nobody will portray MacDonald better than Gary Cole did!) and its title is Final Vision. Really ID Network? You had to "steal" the name of Joe McGinnis' book and subsequent TV miniseries starring Cole and the late Karl Malden about it, based on the book, entitled Fatal Vision? You mean you couldn't even come up with an original title, but have to mislead viewers into thinking it is Fatal Vision? That's awful! I'm ashamed of the network for doing that - I would have given it more credit.

And what's with rehashing all these well publicized crimes that have all been done before? This one, the Menendez Brothers, etc. There are a spate of them lately. I did make an argument here once defending them because not everyone is my age and remembers these (I remember the Manson murders that far back!) so they can be educational in teaching of a famous crime. But really, I can't imagine the ID version of this is going to be better than the Fatal Vision miniseries. Good grief, there are enough crimes in this country to reenact other ones. Many are fascinating - why rehash these? They are getting to be like movie remakes!

Did you know that charles manson is in hospital and very ill? I just read that on aol. They don't say what it is.

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Moonchilde — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 04:06:33 GMT

@millieshops wrote:
@PearleeDoes MacDonald have another appeal coming up? Is that why the new show?

His appeal was in January of this year. There hasn’t been a ruling yet; it could take a year, news media said. This new show was known, named and talked about at the same time (by dates) that his appeal started, so it would seem to have been in the works and in production dating from before the start of the appeal.

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SydneyH — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:19:07 GMT

I'd watch a rehash of this case. The woman in the floppy hat seemed to know a lot about the crime, which bothers me because she is dead now.

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proudlyfromNJ — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 05:29:15 GMT

When McGuiness came out at the end believing Mac Donald was guilty put the final nail in the coffin for me.

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mousiegirl — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 19:13:31 GMT

@Pearlee wrote:
I like the Investigation Discovery (ID) Network and watch it often. But now it is promoting an upcoming show about the Jeffrey MacDonald case (yet another show about it? Nobody will portray MacDonald better than Gary Cole did!) and its title is Final Vision. Really ID Network? You had to "steal" the name of Joe McGinnis' book and subsequent TV miniseries starring Cole and the late Karl Malden about it, based on the book, entitled Fatal Vision? You mean you couldn't even come up with an original title, but have to mislead viewers into thinking it is Fatal Vision? That's awful! I'm ashamed of the network for doing that - I would have given it more credit.

And what's with rehashing all these well publicized crimes that have all been done before? This one, the Menendez Brothers, etc. There are a spate of them lately. I did make an argument here once defending them because not everyone is my age and remembers these (I remember the Manson murders that far back!) so they can be educational in teaching of a famous crime. But really, I can't imagine the ID version of this is going to be better than the Fatal Vision miniseries. Good grief, there are enough crimes in this country to reenact other ones. Many are fascinating - why rehash these? They are getting to be like movie remakes!

@Pearlee I so agree. I don't understand the constant rehashing of the same cases, and wish they would all just be left in prison to rot without the public ever having to hear their names again.

Fatal Vision was a superb movie. I don't know why Jeffrey MacDonald is still allowed air time in some form or other.continuously, he is despicable! There was another tv show this year stating his side.

If he hadn't been in the service, he would not be in federal prison and would most likely be dead by lethal injection or whatever form was in state at the time of his trial. I hope the new movie will not be to state his side. He is guilty of murdering his wife, two small daughters, and his unborn son, just like Scott Peterson and others like them, cookie cutter species these evil beings.

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KathyPet — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 06:53:40 GMT

Some people simply refuse to believe that there are some truly sick and twisted people in this world especially if they appear normal. The Menendez Brothers, Scott Petersen, Jeffrey McDonald, Ted Bundy are among them.

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SydneyH — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 07:33:56 GMT

@KathyPet wrote:
Some people simply refuse to believe that there are some truly sick and twisted people in this world especially if they appear normal. The Menendez Brothers, Scott Petersen, Jeffrey McDonald, Ted Bundy are among them.

Not in my case, I know they exist.....however, there are some troubling inconsistencies in the Petersen and McDonald cases, ones that the prosecution went through great lengths to ignore.

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Moonchilde — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:52:39 GMT

@SydneyH wrote:
I'd watch a rehash of this case. The woman in the floppy hat seemed to know a lot about the crime, which bothers me because she is dead now.

@SydneyH, Helena Stoeckley was totally drug-addled, a heavy user of every recreational drug known to man. Multiple times over the years through various appeals she was judged utterly non-credible. She had no actual memory of that night as she was too high/out of it to remember where she’d been or what she’d done. She told LE whatever she thought they wanted to hear at any given moment over the years and then recant it - over and over again. There has never been a shred of physical evidence to show she was ever in the MacDonald house, and a lot of physical evidence showing MacDonald was guilty.

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Nataliesgramma — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 10:31:38 GMT

I read Fatal Vision and saw the original mini series. This case really bothered me because one of his children that he killed had the same name as my daughter.......they were the same age at the time.

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PhilaLady1 — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 13:19:59 GMT

Jeff MacDonald. Psychopath and/or Sociopath. Guily, Guilty, Guilty.