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What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

depglass — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 15:56:35 GMT

QVC has a nice looking diamond band with five 20 point stones coming up as a TSV. Reading the Peyton Kelly article in the Insider, I find QVC carries "eye clean" stones. I've been very happy with the grades on their gemstones over the years, but are eye clean diamonds worth investing in?

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

Nightowlz — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 16:29:36 GMT

I can read the chart but it may be hard for some to see. A clean stone would be Flawless/IF. Mine is VVS1.

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Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

faeriemoon — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 17:19:17 GMT

I believe the chart specifics refer to inclusions under magnification. QVC uses the term "eye clean" which I believe has nothing to do with magnification. Not that you can get a straight answer out of them about the grading system the diamond industry uses.

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

Nightowlz — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 17:58:59 GMT

@faeriemoon wrote:
I believe the chart specifics refer to inclusions under magnification. QVC uses the term "eye clean" which I believe has nothing to do with magnification. Not that you can get a straight answer out of them about the grading system the diamond industry uses.

Yes the chart refers to inclusions under magnification.

Q made up their own term "Eye Clean". No telling what that means. LOL!!!

I certainly would not go by that when buying a diamond. I want to know the 4 C's. I want to know what I'm paying for.

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

depglass — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:02:29 GMT

I should have said I've been happy with the consistently quality of QVC's gemstones, not grades. They don't grade gemstones. Here is the asterisk info from Peyton Kelly's article: No inclusions visible to the unaided eye when viewed from the face uip position in daylight or fluorescent lighting from apprimately 6" to 12" from the eye using 20/20 vision." I think color comes into play also, but it is not mentioned. Its still a nice looking ring.

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

tedEbear — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:20:13 GMT

An eye-clean diamond would look shiny, bright and clear. Put a 10power loupe to the diamond and see flecks of dust and dirt, that is where the rest of grading comes in. Just viewing the stones on TV or online, you can see if it is cloudy. I see it all the time. A good Diamond will throw out a prism, even if it gets dirty with gardening, lotion, things like that. Price always takes in the 4Cs. It never considers YOUR likes and budget. A ring with 50 stones in it will be priced less than 1 stone weighing the same carat weight. If you like the ring, buy it, enjoy it and don't let anyone tell you otherwise........Just my very own opinion------tedEbear

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

millieshops — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:50:31 GMT

Eye clean may not be on all the charts, but I don't think QVC made it up. I heard it at least 30 years before QVC existed, probably at Macys. I have an eye clean cluster ring from them - circa 1973. It's sparkly and I like the style, but it's definitely jewelry, not an investment. It's a carat, but I neither know nor care how many stones.

All that stuff about the 4 C's is important when we buy larger stones or maybe for a special ring, but really not nearly so important for lots of jewelry. Even when you research diamonds, there's not a whole lot of info on stones of less than 1 carat. Buy what you like and what your wallet likes!

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

2blonde — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 20:28:23 GMT

Yes, "eye clean" is a common term used with diamonds which simply means, "no visible inclusions with the naked eye." In my case, however, at 67 years old that means ALL diamonds would qualify as eye clean!

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

faeriemoon — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 21:34:29 GMT

@2blonde wrote:
Yes, "eye clean" is a common term used with diamonds which simply means, "no visible inclusions with the naked eye." In my case, however, at 67 years old that means ALL diamonds would qualify as eye clean!

Ha!! At 55 I'd say the same!!!

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

Nightowlz — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:18:06 GMT

I'm 58 & never heard it called eye clean. I worked at Zales years ago. They were amazed I could see the inclusions in the diamonds without their loupe. I worked in the office but when I was not busy I liked cleaning the diamonds & looking at all of it.

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

ECBG — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 22:25:42 GMT

@depglass wrote:
QVC has a nice looking diamond band with five 20 point stones coming up as a TSV. Reading the Peyton Kelly article in the Insider, I find QVC carries "eye clean" stones. I've been very happy with the grades on their gemstones over the years, but are eye clean diamonds worth investing in?

@depglass*****Investing is a purely personal preference. A ring has it's financial worth and also its personal value to the owner.

If you want to know the value as far as resale, the fewer inclusions, the higher value. I was the top diamond seller at a major dept. store before I left because of a toxic person.

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

SANNA — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:29:38 GMT

Most jewelry experts say that human eye cannot detect pass VS1. And if you get the color G with this, you do really well. It is realistic and looks great .

Of course if money is no object, do D -E, VVS1.

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

Desertdi — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 03:31:43 GMT

@faeriemoon wrote:
@2blonde wrote:
Yes, "eye clean" is a common term used with diamonds which simply means, "no visible inclusions with the naked eye." In my case, however, at 67 years old that means ALL diamonds would qualify as eye clean!
@2blonde wrote:
Yes, "eye clean" is a common term used with diamonds which simply means, "no visible inclusions with the naked eye." In my case, however, at 67 years old that means ALL diamonds would qualify as eye clean!
Ha!! At 55 I'd say the same!!!

Without my glasses, I can't tell a nickel from a quarter........anything that sparkles "could" be a diamond..................

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

geegerbee — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 04:40:07 GMT

I worked at Jareds. In my experience you can get a better buy there than anything on QVC. Most of QVCs diamonds are in small sizes rather than solitaires and the inclusions are less noticeable because the stones are so small. You can get bigger, better quality diamonds elsewhere. But if you like the look from QVC you can always get them and enjoy them or return them. Buy what you like because there is not a big resale value in jewelry unless you are talking about unset stones.

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

tedEbear — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 04:42:18 GMT

@geegerbee-----Or the HOPE DIAMOND!

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

2blonde — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:18:27 GMT

@Nightowlz wrote:
I'm 58 & never heard it called eye clean. I worked at Zales years ago. They were amazed I could see the inclusions in the diamonds without their loupe. I worked in the office but when I was not busy I liked cleaning the diamonds & looking at all of it.

@Nightowlz So, if you were grading the diamonds with your "naked eye," they'd probably all be "included," whereas, if it was me, they'd all be "eye clean"!

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

Nightowlz — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:44:35 GMT

@tedEbear wrote:
@geegerbee-----Or the HOPE DIAMOND!

That's a nice one. Saw it at the Smithsonian years ago.

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

Nightowlz — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 15:50:33 GMT

@2blonde wrote:
@Nightowlz wrote:
I'm 58 & never heard it called eye clean. I worked at Zales years ago. They were amazed I could see the inclusions in the diamonds without their loupe. I worked in the office but when I was not busy I liked cleaning the diamonds & looking at all of it.
@Nightowlz So, if you were grading the diamonds with your "naked eye," they'd probably all be "included," whereas, if it was me, they'd all be "eye clean"!

Yes I suppose so. My eyes are not as good as they used to be though. Some of the diamonds were cloudy & lots of inclusions. Men came in wanting to buy a bigger diamond engagement ring but had not clue about what to look for when buying one. Most did not care about the inclusions as long as it was a large stone. I would rather have a nice smaller diamond instead of a large ugly cloudy diamond.

Re: What diamond grade (VS, etc.,) would be assigned to an eye-clean stone?

Lavenderjunkie — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 20:37:08 GMT

If a diamond is described as eye clean, rather than using the specific gemological ratine system, then I would expect it to be no better than an SI stone. Depending upon the inclusions, it could be either an Si or I stone.

I have seen a diamond with a very large inclusion (carbon spot) that was eye clean. The stone was beautiful to the naked eye, but technically it was a highly included stone.

As others have pointed out, depending upon the size of the stone, different characteristics are important. And quality (inclusions, color, and cut) all affect the price of the stone. For a ring with smaller stones, the overall look and sparkle might be more important than a technical rating. For a larger solitare, the technical rating has a big impact on the look and sparkle. And don't minimize the effect of the color of the stone on how it looks. A whiter stone that is well cut will look bigger and better than a stone that skews yellow, even the the yellower stone is technically a higher quality.