topic Re: petite models in Fashion

petite models

abbyrose4 — Sat, 03 Mar 2018 18:27:21 GMT

so QVC needs more undersanding about what petite means 5" to 5'2 maybe 5"3 depending on body but I am talking about size XXS to Small petite 100 to 115 pounds they are showing models saying that they are petite but it does not look like that on TV just bought some new spring items anyone want to bet on whether or not they have to be sent back

Re: petite models

Nightowlz — Sat, 03 Mar 2018 18:31:00 GMT

That's because thier sizing starts with xxs. No such thing IMO. Q uses vanity sizes.

Sizes should run s, m, l, xl, 1x, 2x etc.

Like DH says if you are a size 0 you are non-existent.

Re: petite models

software — Sat, 03 Mar 2018 18:35:05 GMT

Some women are so tiny!

Look at Amy, I know she has trouble finding clothing not in a children's department.

A small on her makes her look like she's a child wearing her mother's clothes.

But when I search out clearance clothing on the Q website, all I usually find is XXS & XS so where's the market?

Re: petite models

Squirrel Lover — Sat, 03 Mar 2018 20:57:10 GMT

I am a true petite at 5 feet tall. I wear an XXS top and XS bottom in QVC clothes. Anyone over 5'3" is not petite. Petite pants should never exceed a 28 inseam.

Petite used to mean a tiny woman, but today it has changed to mean short women of any size.

Re: petite models

Group 5 minus 1 — Sat, 03 Mar 2018 18:46:03 GMT

Petite does not mean small size. It means small boned and short.

Re: petite models

suzyQ3 — Sat, 03 Mar 2018 22:01:19 GMT

@Group 5 minus 1wrote:
Petite does not mean small size. It means small boned and short.

@Group 5 minus 1, unfortunately, petite means something different to different brands. For example, QF is known for their insistence that petite simply means a shorter rise; they do not tailor the rest, apparently because JB was short but otherwise not petite.

Talbots makes misses, petite, woman, and woman petite, and the clothes are tailored throughout, not just for height.

As for small-boned and short, yes, but there are exceptions. A tall, thin woman might choose a petite length and a thin woman on the cusp between petite and regular might go with the smallest regular for the length, although she might have to deal with some extra fabric.

For example, I recently discovered J. Crew jeans and love them. For reference, I'm just a tad under 5'4", small-frame, and low in weight. I first bought their smallest petite and was shocked that it was too tight in the waist (figured out that proportionally I'm bigger in the waist than in the hips -- a.k.a., more of straight build). It was was also too short for me.

Fortunately, their smallest regular worked great. You just can't trust a sizing label because there is no consistency.

With the increase in vanity sizing, smaller sizes are becoming harder and harder to come by. I am sized out of many brands.

Re: petite models

pinkmochi — Sat, 03 Mar 2018 23:09:11 GMT

@suzyQ3wrote:
@Group 5 minus 1wrote:
Petite does not mean small size. It means small boned and short.
@Group 5 minus 1, unfortunately, petite means something different to different brands. For example, QF is known for their insistence that petite simply means a shorter rise; they do not tailor the rest, apparently because JB was short but otherwise not petite.

Talbots makes misses, petite, woman, and woman petite, and the clothes are tailored throughout, not just for height.

As for small-boned and short, yes, but there are exceptions. A tall, thin woman might choose a petite length and a thin woman on the cusp between petite and regular might go with the smallest regular for the length, although she might have to deal with some extra fabric.

For example, I recently discovered J. Crew jeans and love them. For reference, I'm just a tad under 5'4", small-frame, and low in weight. I first bought their smallest petite and was shocked that it was too tight in the waist (figured out that proportionally I'm bigger in the waist than in the hips -- a.k.a., more of straight build). It was was also too short for me.

Fortunately, their smallest regular worked great. You just can't trust a sizing label because there is no consistency.

With the increase in vanity sizing, smaller sizes are becoming harder and harder to come by. I am sized out of many brands.

@suzyQ3 I've been tempted to try Kim Gravel's clothes, but it looks like they don't come small enough. My guess is that they make clothes for the sizes that sell the most. Because I've had to return so many clothes, I'm mostly sticking to buying from places that will give me free returns. I order from Macy's and can easily return at the store if things don't fit. They also have a much larger selection of petites.

The sizes from different brands are all over the place. 29" inseam isn't petite, but that's as short as many brands offer for "short." I've had to buy more wedges to accommodate, which forces me to dress a little nicer.

Re: petite models

suzyQ3 — Sat, 03 Mar 2018 23:46:37 GMT

@pinkmochiwrote:
@suzyQ3wrote:
@Group 5 minus 1wrote:
Petite does not mean small size. It means small boned and short.
@Group 5 minus 1, unfortunately, petite means something different to different brands. For example, QF is known for their insistence that petite simply means a shorter rise; they do not tailor the rest, apparently because JB was short but otherwise not petite.

Talbots makes misses, petite, woman, and woman petite, and the clothes are tailored throughout, not just for height.

As for small-boned and short, yes, but there are exceptions. A tall, thin woman might choose a petite length and a thin woman on the cusp between petite and regular might go with the smallest regular for the length, although she might have to deal with some extra fabric.

For example, I recently discovered J. Crew jeans and love them. For reference, I'm just a tad under 5'4", small-frame, and low in weight. I first bought their smallest petite and was shocked that it was too tight in the waist (figured out that proportionally I'm bigger in the waist than in the hips -- a.k.a., more of straight build). It was was also too short for me.

Fortunately, their smallest regular worked great. You just can't trust a sizing label because there is no consistency.

With the increase in vanity sizing, smaller sizes are becoming harder and harder to come by. I am sized out of many brands.
@suzyQ3 I've been tempted to try Kim Gravel's clothes, but it looks like they don't come small enough. My guess is that they make clothes for the sizes that sell the most. Because I've had to return so many clothes, I'm mostly sticking to buying from places that will give me free returns. I order from Macy's and can easily return at the store if things don't fit. They also have a much larger selection of petites.

The sizes from different brands are all over the place. 29" inseam isn't petite, but that's as short as many brands offer for "short." I've had to buy more wedges to accommodate, which forces me to dress a little nicer.

@pinkmochi, it's a dilemma, for sure. For me, sometimes the petite is too short but the regular is too long (and also just too big). Once you find a store or brand that works for you, it's much easier.

I've some of Kim Gravel's pieces on air and liked a couple, but no, I don't think that they would work for me.

Re: petite models

Carolinaking — Thu, 03 May 2018 13:36:12 GMT

Hosts & Guests - Please stop using derogatory descriptions of the petite models. Just because someone is short or a smaller clothing size, it doesn't mean that they want to be called 'cute' or a 'little girl'. In fact, none of the models should be referred to as a 'girl'; they are adult women and should be shown the same amount of respect as the hosts and guests. Size does not designate whether someone is a girl or a woman. I just heard Susan Graver refer to the petite model as a "cutie pie". Really!?! All the models deserve to be told that they are doing a good job and look beautiful, not just 5'10" XXS models like Katia, whom I believe Susan Graver caters to on air with the goal of appealing to the African-American demographic.

Re: petite models

jonbon — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:21:28 GMT

@suzyQ3 wrote:
@Group 5 minus 1wrote:
Petite does not mean small size. It means small boned and short.
@Group 5 minus 1, unfortunately, petite means something different to different brands. For example, QF is known for their insistence that petite simply means a shorter rise; they do not tailor the rest, apparently because JB was short but otherwise not petite.

Talbots makes misses, petite, woman, and woman petite, and the clothes are tailored throughout, not just for height.

As for small-boned and short, yes, but there are exceptions. A tall, thin woman might choose a petite length and a thin woman on the cusp between petite and regular might go with the smallest regular for the length, although she might have to deal with some extra fabric.

For example, I recently discovered J. Crew jeans and love them. For reference, I'm just a tad under 5'4", small-frame, and low in weight. I first bought their smallest petite and was shocked that it was too tight in the waist (figured out that proportionally I'm bigger in the waist than in the hips -- a.k.a., more of straight build). It was was also too short for me.

Fortunately, their smallest regular worked great. You just can't trust a sizing label because there is no consistency.

With the increase in vanity sizing, smaller sizes are becoming harder and harder to come by. I am sized out of many brands.

@suzyQ3, Quacker calls their clothing "short" (not "petite") because all they change is the inseam (I think you may have misspoken above when you said shorter rise?). But they do try to be very clear about it when going over sizes, so at least there's that. In any case, I agree with many of your points above and can empathize with being sized out of many brands!

Re: petite models

Mj12 — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:28:49 GMT

@suzyQ3 wrote:
@Group 5 minus 1wrote:
Petite does not mean small size. It means small boned and short.
@Group 5 minus 1, unfortunately, petite means something different to different brands. For example, QF is known for their insistence that petite simply means a shorter rise; they do not tailor the rest, apparently because JB was short but otherwise not petite.

Talbots makes misses, petite, woman, and woman petite, and the clothes are tailored throughout, not just for height.

As for small-boned and short, yes, but there are exceptions. A tall, thin woman might choose a petite length and a thin woman on the cusp between petite and regular might go with the smallest regular for the length, although she might have to deal with some extra fabric.

For example, I recently discovered J. Crew jeans and love them. For reference, I'm just a tad under 5'4", small-frame, and low in weight. I first bought their smallest petite and was shocked that it was too tight in the waist (figured out that proportionally I'm bigger in the waist than in the hips -- a.k.a., more of straight build). It was was also too short for me.

Fortunately, their smallest regular worked great. You just can't trust a sizing label because there is no consistency.

With the increase in vanity sizing, smaller sizes are becoming harder and harder to come by. I am sized out of many brands.

@suzyQ3 same here. Only very few stores (JJill & AT) still have a few styles (not all styles) in Petites, 0 and 00.

Re: petite models

beach-mom — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:34:35 GMT

@pinkmochi, it's a dilemma, for sure. For me, sometimes the petite is too short but the regular is too long (and also just too big). Once you find a store or brand that works for you, it's much easier.

I've some of Kim Gravel's pieces on air and liked a couple, but no, I don't think that they would work for me.

@suzyQ3 - This is my dilemma too! I'm 5'3-1/2", but I'm long legged. A 29" inseam is too short, 30" is perfect, I can possibly get away with 31", but 32" is too long. I don't want to shorten everything, so I check the inseams carefully.

Re: petite models

songbird — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:34:36 GMT

@Carolinaking wrote:
Hosts & Guests - Please stop using derogatory descriptions of the petite models. Just because someone is short or a smaller clothing size, it doesn't mean that they want to be called 'cute' or a 'little girl'. In fact, none of the models should be referred to as a 'girl'; they are adult women and should be shown the same amount of respect as the hosts and guests. Size does not designate whether someone is a girl or a woman. I just heard Susan Graver refer to the petite model as a "cutie pie". Really!?! All the models deserve to be told that they are doing a good job and look beautiful, not just 5'10" XXS models like Katia, whom I believe Susan Graver caters to on air with the goal of appealing to the African-American demographic.

Katia is the best darn model on QVC or any runway. I once tweeted Susan Graver that I thought Kataia was the best model ever and she responded Absolutely!

Re: petite models

Shanus — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:49:44 GMT

@suzyQ3 wrote:
@Group 5 minus 1wrote:
Petite does not mean small size. It means small boned and short.
@Group 5 minus 1, unfortunately, petite means something different to different brands. For example, QF is known for their insistence that petite simply means a shorter rise; they do not tailor the rest, apparently because JB was short but otherwise not petite.

Talbots makes misses, petite, woman, and woman petite, and the clothes are tailored throughout, not just for height.

As for small-boned and short, yes, but there are exceptions. A tall, thin woman might choose a petite length and a thin woman on the cusp between petite and regular might go with the smallest regular for the length, although she might have to deal with some extra fabric.

For example, I recently discovered J. Crew jeans and love them. For reference, I'm just a tad under 5'4", small-frame, and low in weight. I first bought their smallest petite and was shocked that it was too tight in the waist (figured out that proportionally I'm bigger in the waist than in the hips -- a.k.a., more of straight build). It was was also too short for me.

Fortunately, their smallest regular worked great. You just can't trust a sizing label because there is no consistency.

With the increase in vanity sizing, smaller sizes are becoming harder and harder to come by. I am sized out of many brands.

@suzyQ3 Yes. At 5’1” and 100 lbs., I still can’t wear petite pants...they’re usually not just shorter in length, but shorter in the rise. Petite tops are sometimes not just a few inches off length (tunic styles) or sleeves, but also inches taken off bust and shoulder measurements.

Re: petite models

suzyQ3 — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:54:50 GMT

@Mj12 wrote:
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@Group 5 minus 1wrote:
Petite does not mean small size. It means small boned and short.
@Group 5 minus 1, unfortunately, petite means something different to different brands. For example, QF is known for their insistence that petite simply means a shorter rise; they do not tailor the rest, apparently because JB was short but otherwise not petite.

Talbots makes misses, petite, woman, and woman petite, and the clothes are tailored throughout, not just for height.

As for small-boned and short, yes, but there are exceptions. A tall, thin woman might choose a petite length and a thin woman on the cusp between petite and regular might go with the smallest regular for the length, although she might have to deal with some extra fabric.

For example, I recently discovered J. Crew jeans and love them. For reference, I'm just a tad under 5'4", small-frame, and low in weight. I first bought their smallest petite and was shocked that it was too tight in the waist (figured out that proportionally I'm bigger in the waist than in the hips -- a.k.a., more of straight build). It was was also too short for me.

Fortunately, their smallest regular worked great. You just can't trust a sizing label because there is no consistency.

With the increase in vanity sizing, smaller sizes are becoming harder and harder to come by. I am sized out of many brands.
@suzyQ3 same here. Only very few stores (JJill & AT) still have a few styles (not all styles) in Petites, 0 and 00.

@Mj12, Talbots as well. :-)

Re: petite models

suzyQ3 — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:56:03 GMT

@jonbon wrote:
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@Group 5 minus 1wrote:
Petite does not mean small size. It means small boned and short.
@Group 5 minus 1, unfortunately, petite means something different to different brands. For example, QF is known for their insistence that petite simply means a shorter rise; they do not tailor the rest, apparently because JB was short but otherwise not petite.

Talbots makes misses, petite, woman, and woman petite, and the clothes are tailored throughout, not just for height.

As for small-boned and short, yes, but there are exceptions. A tall, thin woman might choose a petite length and a thin woman on the cusp between petite and regular might go with the smallest regular for the length, although she might have to deal with some extra fabric.

For example, I recently discovered J. Crew jeans and love them. For reference, I'm just a tad under 5'4", small-frame, and low in weight. I first bought their smallest petite and was shocked that it was too tight in the waist (figured out that proportionally I'm bigger in the waist than in the hips -- a.k.a., more of straight build). It was was also too short for me.

Fortunately, their smallest regular worked great. You just can't trust a sizing label because there is no consistency.

With the increase in vanity sizing, smaller sizes are becoming harder and harder to come by. I am sized out of many brands.
@suzyQ3, Quacker calls their clothing "short" (not "petite") because all they change is the inseam (I think you may have misspoken above when you said shorter rise?). But they do try to be very clear about it when going over sizes, so at least there's that. In any case, I agree with many of your points above and can empathize with being sized out of many brands!

I did indeed mispeak (or miswrite?), @jonbon. Thank you for the correction.

Re: petite models

suzyQ3 — Thu, 03 May 2018 16:58:18 GMT

@Carolinaking wrote:
Hosts & Guests - Please stop using derogatory descriptions of the petite models. Just because someone is short or a smaller clothing size, it doesn't mean that they want to be called 'cute' or a 'little girl'. In fact, none of the models should be referred to as a 'girl'; they are adult women and should be shown the same amount of respect as the hosts and guests. Size does not designate whether someone is a girl or a woman. I just heard Susan Graver refer to the petite model as a "cutie pie". Really!?! All the models deserve to be told that they are doing a good job and look beautiful, not just 5'10" XXS models like Katia, whom I believe Susan Graver caters to on air with the goal of appealing to the African-American demographic.

@Carolinaking, an assumption that we could do without.

Re: petite models

vsm — Thu, 03 May 2018 17:01:08 GMT

@Squirrel Lover wrote:
I am a true petite at 5 feet tall. I wear an XXS top and XS bottom in QVC clothes. Anyone over 5'3" is not petite. Petite pants should never exceed a 28 inseam.

Petite used to mean a tiny woman, but today it has changed to mean short women of any size.

You are exactly right, Squirrel Lover. QVC says "petite" to avoid saying simply "short." It's called vanity sizing, and that's what QVC is all about.

Re: petite models

Sadiesadie — Thu, 03 May 2018 17:02:05 GMT

@Shanus: I totally agree. 5' 125lbs, wear a 4-6 but cannot wear many petites. Just as you described the issues for you are the same for me. Rise too short on petite pants and too narrow and short on petite tops. I have broad shoulders.

I did just buy a petite top at JJill only because it was extra long and wider than usual.

I don’t consider myself “petite” but just short.

Re: petite models

vsm — Thu, 03 May 2018 17:07:59 GMT

@Carolinaking wrote:
Hosts & Guests - Please stop using derogatory descriptions of the petite models. Just because someone is short or a smaller clothing size, it doesn't mean that they want to be called 'cute' or a 'little girl'. In fact, none of the models should be referred to as a 'girl'; they are adult women and should be shown the same amount of respect as the hosts and guests. Size does not designate whether someone is a girl or a woman. I just heard Susan Graver refer to the petite model as a "cutie pie". Really!?! All the models deserve to be told that they are doing a good job and look beautiful, not just 5'10" XXS models like Katia, whom I believe Susan Graver caters to on air with the goal of appealing to the African-American demographic.

"Derogatory"? Good heavens. Hole up in a safe space or something.