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Three Hours!!!!!

fortune — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:02:37 GMT

I'm skeptical about the Orlando police story that they got to the Pulse Nightclub a little after 2 a.m. and ALL the shooting from the suspect took place in that time period.

They said after it became a "hostage situation" for the next THREE HOURS, there was NO shooting by the suspect while he was holed up in the bathrooms. I heard interviews with some of the victims who were in the bathrooms. One said that the shooter put his gun over the top of the closed bathroom stall and shot into the victims huddled there. Other victims told similar stories of shooting taking place in the bathrooms.

Why didn't the SWAT team go back there and get the perpetrator. I can't believe that they were "talking to him" for three hours and that there was NO shooting during that time. That's just not true!!! I think the police were afraid that there were more shooters and that they had a bomb. Why do they have to lie about the situation!!!

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deepwaterdotter — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:05:41 GMT

Wouldn't the FBI investigation uncover any inconsistencies in the police report?

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Evelyn223 — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:07:15 GMT

With all due respect @fortune I don't think it's fair to say people are lying since the investigation isn't complete and we the public don't know all the facts yet. Imho

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Tinkrbl44 — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:34:19 GMT

@fortune wrote:
I'm skeptical about the Orlando police story that they got to the Pulse Nightclub a little after 2 a.m. and ALL the shooting from the suspect took place in that time period.

They said after it became a "hostage situation" for the next THREE HOURS, there was NO shooting by the suspect while he was holed up in the bathrooms. I heard interviews with some of the victims who were in the bathrooms. One said that the shooter put his gun over the top of the closed bathroom stall and shot into the victims huddled there. Other victims told similar stories of shooting taking place in the bathrooms.

Why didn't the SWAT team go back there and get the perpetrator. I can't believe that they were "talking to him" for three hours and that there was NO shooting during that time. That's just not true!!! I think the police were afraid that there were more shooters and that they had a bomb. Why do they have to lie about the situation!!!

@fortune

When the story broke, there was a lot of conflicting information from news sources, bystanders, etc etc .... even the witnesses had conflicting stories. It's also possible that second hand information passed on was misunderstood, or incorrect.

Since this is a Terror Attack Investigation being headed up by the FBI, and they have video from inside the nightclub, why not wait until the investigation is complete? For anyone to assume that the Orlando police are lying is --- NO pun intended --- jumping the gun.

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SleeplessinSD — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 22:42:23 GMT

@fortune, I agree with you. The day after the shooting, I saw an interview with one of the family members. She said she was there after receiving a text, and was surprised they were waiting so long, 3 hrs.?, before going in to help the victims. She was very upset. Later, someone on the police force, can't remember who, was asked why they waited, and this person said they had to be sure of what was going on and were assessing the situation. I respect that. Since that time, I've heard conflicting stories. IMO, at this point, I do believe there was a delay going in, I'm just not sure how long.

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Mary Bailey — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:42:49 GMT

@fortune DH says the same thing you do, with a lot of yelling and swearing. He always thinks swat doesn't act quick enough, starting with Columbine.

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Peaches McPhee — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:44:20 GMT

This is a perfect example of jumping to conclusions. Why not wait for the full report to come out? Maybe some of your questions will be answered by that.

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GSPgirl — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:53:34 GMT

@Peaches McPhee wrote:
This is a perfect example of jumping to conclusions. Why not wait for the full report to come out? Maybe some of your questions will be answered by that.

I agree. I always wait to make my judgment until after the news has stopped making things up. Remember when they say "it's been reported" they are usually speculating. News people are not journalists anymore. They are news readers and they have to make stuff up to fill up the hour.

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chrystaltree — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:01:57 GMT

.......yeah, the seconding guessing and finger pointing will go on for months. But I wasn't there and for that, I am very thankful. I have no doubt that the authorities did what the thought was appropriate at the time. And since, as far as I know, they weren't equipped with crystal balls. That's enough for me.

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Beth-QVC — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:24:33 GMT

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hckynut — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:25:02 GMT

@fortune

I will never 2nd guess what the.Orlando police did wrong. I wasn't there nor was I privy to their communications and actions. Who am I to decide when they should have entered that building? If I say "couda/wouda/shouda", that is 20-20 hindsight, which we all can speculate.

To say they, whomever you are referring to as "they", are lying? The only place I see elongating the truth is much, much higher up the command chain.

Say I see 2 vehicles collide, as do five other people. Do you actually believe that all 6 of us will see and repeat the same way it occurred? Of course not, and all 6 us were not on the business end of a Weapon being pointed at us. Of course survivors will have different versions of what they saw and heard. They WERE on the barrel end of the weapon.

To accuse the first responders of lying? That is a bit much for me.

hnj

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fortune — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:31:36 GMT

@GSPgirl wrote:
@Peaches McPhee wrote:
This is a perfect example of jumping to conclusions. Why not wait for the full report to come out? Maybe some of your questions will be answered by that.
I agree. I always wait to make my judgment until after the news has stopped making things up. Remember when they say "it's been reported" they are usually speculating. News people are not journalists anymore. They are news readers and they have to make stuff up to fill up the hour.

I got my info ONLY from the victims' interviews. The victims who were in the bathrooms, that is. I'm sure they didn't make stuff up. There's something missing in the police accounting of the story.

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Stray — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:32:00 GMT

The police saved many and put their lives on the line daily as they did that day. SWAT teams negotiate before entering to spare as many as they can....when, a situation deteriorates, the go in and save who the can....I wasn't there, I won't second guess people who are braver than I and more experienced. The response is being evaluated by experts and I am not one of them.

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hckynut — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:35:17 GMT

@Mary Bailey wrote:
@fortune DH says the same thing you do, with a lot of yelling and swearing. He always thinks swat doesn't act quick enough, starting with Columbine.

@Mary Bailey

Am I to assume that DH headed up a local police department SWAT Team? Sure sounds like you are making him out to be an expert as what a SWAT Team, should and should not have done.

Monday Morning Quarterbacking along with 20-20 hindsight sure has never made me an expert on anything related Police or SWAT Teams tactics.

Tell DH to chill.

hnj

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fortune — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:39:30 GMT

@Peaches McPhee wrote:
This is a perfect example of jumping to conclusions. Why not wait for the full report to come out? Maybe some of your questions will be answered by that.

The police spokesperson at the news conference said that the suspect didn't shoot any more after he was chased by police to the bathroom area. It then became a "hostage situation" for three hours. The victims in the bathrooms (who lived) described how the shooter reached over the closed door of the bathroom stall and shot blindly at the people huddled inside. I heard what I heard.

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pood1 — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:37:55 GMT

Here's an idea-why don't YOU put on a SWAT uniform fortune, and show us how it SHOULD be done?

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Mary Bailey — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:42:28 GMT

@hckynut No of course he hasn't. No where do I make him out to be an expert. He's just thinking of the victims and their families waiting out the 3 hours.

I tell him to not speculate because he doesn't know what the background info is. Then he says, what if was our loved ones, then is 3 hours acceptable? He has a valid point.

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newziesuzie — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:47:27 GMT

@Stray wrote:

The police saved many and put their lives on the line daily as they did that day. SWAT teams negotiate before entering to spare as many as they can....when, a situation deteriorates, the go in and save who the can....I wasn't there, I won't second guess people who are braver than I and more experienced. The response is being evaluated by experts and I am not one of them.

Wonderful post @Stray!!!!

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hckynut — Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:53:27 GMT

@fortune wrote:
@GSPgirl wrote:

I agree. I always wait to make my judgment until after the news has stopped making things up. Remember when they say "it's been reported" they are usually speculating. News people are not journalists anymore. They are news readers and they have to make stuff up to fill up the hour.
I got my info ONLY from the victims' interviews. The victims who were in the bathrooms, that is. I'm sure they didn't make stuff up. There's something missing in the police accounting of the story.

@fortune

What about the 4 survivors that just 1 Police Officer drug out to safety. One was shot twice in the legs and once in the hand. I didn't hear him reference anything about 3 hours. He was just happy to be alive. He his biggest gift would be to meet that Officer who pulled him out.

As I said in 1 of my other posts. Do you actually think ALL of the survivors saw/heard and will repeat the exact same rememberence of what occurred? If a the barrel of a weapon was pointed at me and i was shot? I haven't a clue how accurate my replication of exactly what happened even I could believe.

hnj

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KentuckyWoman — Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:59:47 GMT

There is only one person who was responsible for that horrific, despicable act of violence and that is the shooter.

The police were trying to save lives but putting their own on the line. Wait and see what the investigation turns up before you start calling names. Many of the victims who have been interviewed spoke about the police coming into the night club and pulling them out to safety. I am sure this was a horrific scene. None of us were there but I am sure it was a hellish, nightmarish scene.