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Eight Words That Infuriate Me:

Marp — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 13:59:14 GMT

“meet or exceed all applicable federal safety standards.”

They are used too often as an excuse not to fix something. Today's rant is due to this story about keyless ignition systems:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/abc-news-investigation-potential-risk-keyless-ignitions/story?id=34161887

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Mj12 — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 14:05:14 GMT

@Marp wrote:
“meet or exceed all applicable federal safety standards.”

They are used too often as an excuse not to fix something. Today's rant is due to this story about keyless ignition systems:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/abc-news-investigation-potential-risk-keyless-ignitions/story?id=34161887

I agree and it's a little infuriating that the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers are opposed to the alarm.

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AngusandBuddhasMom — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 14:08:13 GMT

I have a keyless entry and push ignition. You can't lock the car without the car being off. So imo I hate the this new system but it was already there on my new car. I am now forever having to be cognizanrt of where my keys are since I don't use them to start or open my car.

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Allegheny — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 14:40:16 GMT

I don't understand why it takes these vehicle manufacturers so long to find a fix and just do the right thing. I understand they can't be responsible for all human error but this is not a new issue. Both our vehicles (same manufacturer) (2009 and 2013) are have keyless ignitions. I have never heard any warning when the vehicle is vacated and left running.

My husband has done it a few times. Always outside thankfully. The engine is so quiet you can't hear it running when you leave the car. When he first acquired it, we went to visit his sister, had been there about 1/2 hour and her grass cutter knocked on her door and told us the vehicle was running.

We always lock our cars, so I think his lets you lock it and walk away.

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ROMARY — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 14:47:41 GMT

I don't like anything push-button, especially ignitions. I don't trust the wiring now-a-days. I like the good old- fashioned key, which I doubt could turn on the car by itself, (especially when the key is not in it's slot). JMO

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VanSleepy — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:18:44 GMT

I rarely drive my husband's car, but I just took it this morning to do a couple errands. Every time I was about to get out, I was thinking, "I turned it off, right?" I know it beeps if you close the door and the key is inside the car, but I don't know if it beeps if the car is still running. I thought they all had automatic shutoff if the key was out of range for a certain amount of time - apparently they do not but should.

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ROMARY — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:39:20 GMT

Buttons could become 'stuck', right? Or, perhaps one might think it's off, but, because of extreme cold, or hot, the plastic casing might contract or expand, and activate the ignition (wiring). I don't know.........always thinking of 'this and that'. Something to do, I guess. (lol and rolling eyes.)

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Tinkrbl44 — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:39:20 GMT

I wouldn't buy a car with a keyless ignition ...... any time a new feature comes out it takes years to work the bugs out.

I think we need to be harder on the government regulators, NOT the car manufacturers ..... they have to keep an eye on profits and pleasing their board of directors AND shareholders!

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sunshine45 — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:52:11 GMT

i have had a car with the keyless feature since 2006 and i really like it. no way to lock your keys in your car, no fumbling when you are out at night to get the door open, easy and fast to lock when you get out of the car. i would definitely get the feature again.

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JustJazzmom — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 15:57:13 GMT

Keyless features are a great idea especially for those with severe arthritis or grasping/turning problems.

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Lion — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 16:06:36 GMT

Sadly, $$ talks, and the alarms won't be installed until lawsuits cost the companies too much not to do it.

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Buck-i-Nana — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 16:12:21 GMT

Personally, I think everybody with an attached garage should have a smoke and carbon monoxide detector in the garage and another in the room you enter into from the garage. My aging neighbor has a keyed ignition system and yet she left her car running when she got distracted after pulling into her garage. Thankfully, her son had installed detectors and the one in the garage went off.

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Puzzle Piece — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 16:27:16 GMT

Only eight???

Fact of life. We are human. We make errors/mistakes, always will. We try, we fail, we try again.

Another fact. People have to face the fact that in this life we are on our own. We have to look out for ourselves the best we can and NOT turn things over to certain agencies or govt's. It may not be a comfort but we must not be lead to believe others won't fail us or that others may not have wicked agendas.

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straykatz — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 16:28:25 GMT

I also think everyone with an attached garage should have a carbon monoxide detector....same thing applies if you have gas appliances/fireplace/furnace.

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occasionalrain — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 16:34:14 GMT

What a lot of whiners. If you are old enough to drive you should be old enough to keep track of your keys and know if your car is running or not.

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Marp — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 16:48:16 GMT

While I can appreciate people liking/disliking or wanting/not wanting keyless ignitions is no one else disturbed by companies learning there is a problem and falling back on the meets federal safety standards instead of being proactive to fix the problem?

How about manufacturers stating their product whether a car or a tool or appliance or anything "exceeds federal safety standards" along with a commitment to fix any problems when they are discovered.

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straykatz — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 16:57:51 GMT

Marp...in all fairness...is an automotive manufacturer responsible to ensure people do not walk away from a running vehicle? People can forget to shut off their cars regardless of what type of ignition they have....people have gotten out of their cars and locked them while still running..keys still in ignition...it happens......there are some things that we simply have to be accountable for...we can't always look to blame someone else when we make mistakes.

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Nataliesgramma — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:07:27 GMT

I like the keyless ignition on our 2015 vehicle, but hubby and I went to Kohl's and he dropped me off at the dooor and parked the car. When we went back to the car after shopping it was still running. We only had it a week and I don't think he was used to that feature yet. It does 'ding' if you close the door with the keys inside...but nothing if you have the car running.

I also think you should have a carbon minoxide detector in an attached garage no matter what kind of ignition you have.

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Marp — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:09:54 GMT

@straykatz wrote:
Marp...in all fairness...is an automotive manufacturer responsible to ensure people do not walk away from a running vehicle? People can forget to shut off their cars regardless of what type of ignition they have....people have gotten out of their cars and locked them while still running..keys still in ignition...it happens......there are some things that we simply have to be accountable for...we can't always look to blame someone else when we make mistakes.

No, an automotive manufacturer is not responsible to ensure people do not walk away from a running vehicle but when a problem like this becomes apparent and has such an easy fix I do think they have a responsibility to fix it.

Not to be snarky, I don't mean this to be, but if it were your elderly parents that had succumbed to carbon monoxide poisoning because they simply forgot would you say it is their fault or would you feel that a manufacturer that had been alerted to the problem of people walking away from their vehicles leaving them running has a responsiblity to at least alert vehicle owners of the danger then fix the problem?

I stand by my position that stating a product meets federal safety standards is a cop out and when a manufacturer takes active steps to fight changes/fixes it is even more egregious.

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straykatz — Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:16:18 GMT

Hopefully manufactures will take heed and add a safety feature to newer models. Awareness is an important factor that generally brings about changes.

I still have an old fashioned keyed car. I had a rental on my last trip home to Canada and it took me a good bit to figure out how to turn on the wipers....a when I reached my destination a good 40 minutes at least plus reading the owners manual to figure out how to turn off that car. Kind of turned me off in a major way.....should I shop for a new car I won't be looking at that model.