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Is Cecil a tipping point?

GingerPeach — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 01:45:19 GMT

For those who want to approach this from a broader perspective perhaps it's time to bring up the concept of "tipping point." No doubt everyone is familiar with the term from the title of a book by Malcolm Gladwell several years ago. The term came into existence prior to Gladwell, however.

Here is one definition: the point at which an issue, idea, product, etc., crosses a certain threshhold and gains significant momentum, triggered by some minor factor or change.

Cecil may be a "tipping point." I do not like to think of Cecil himself as "minor" but for the fact that he is one lion. He represents, however, not only himself but a rallying point for a world that supports better lives for animals, a protected environment (both plant and animal) and smarter uses of our resources by everyone, and those resources gathered WITHOUT cruelty. And also represents perhaps an even deeper understanding that everything is connected.

What are your thoughts?

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

MaggieMack — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 01:50:14 GMT

One can hope and pray that his death will change the world. Hopin' and prayin' . . .

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

feline groovy — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 01:55:45 GMT

I hope - and pray! - that he is.

That he didn't outrageously suffer and perish in vain.

That his legacy will be a positive and forever one.

But I also know that humans will forever be innately arrogant (and many, unempathetic), so I can only hope that things worldwide will change for infinity.

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

MrsSweetieBear — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:09:38 GMT

I don't know the answer for sure, of course, but one can only hope (and petition)!

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

Venezia — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:15:44 GMT

I certainly hope so. Those of us who condemn "trophy" hunting need to continue to make our voices heard. If we don't, who will?

It's sparked an international outrage. Long may it continue until this appallingly barbarous "sport" is totally outlawed.

I could hope for some pangs of conscience or shame from these killers (be realistic - they're not true hunters), but I think that's hoping for too much. Their arrogance in the belief of their own superiority would never allow that.

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

Blahblahvampemer — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:23:17 GMT

For the sake of the livelihoods of everyone connected to hunting over the continent, I sure hope it isn't.

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

nana59 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:24:22 GMT

MaggieMack-I hate to be the one to brak it to you, but Cecil's death is not gong to change the world........

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

nana59 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:25:45 GMT

Sorry for the misspelling......break......

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

MarieIG — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:29:36 GMT

No.

I was tipped over quite a while ago due to the hunting of elephants.

These intelligent animals are frequently hunted for their tusks. The countries which are lucky enough to have these wonderful animals have to be primarily responsible to protect them both from local hunters which unfortunately seem to run rampant, as well as trophy hunters.

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

suzyQ3 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:32:21 GMT

@MarieIG wrote:
No.

I was tipped over quite a while ago due to the hunting of elephants.

These intelligent animals are frequently hunted for their tusks. The countries which are lucky enough to have these wonderful animals have to be primarily responsible to protect them both from local hunters which unfortunately seem to run rampant, as well as trophy hunters.

I have a particular passion for elephants. My husband told me today that he read that some are painting the elephants' tusk with pink paint to make them not useful to those who hunt them for their tusks. Interesting.

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

suzyQ3 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:33:26 GMT

@blahblahvampemerblah wrote:
For the sake of the livelihoods of everyone connected to hunting over the continent, I sure hope it isn't.

Words just escape me here. I cannot even conceive of your mindset. So sad.

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

mstyrion 1 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:38:33 GMT

@suzyQ3 wrote:
@blahblahvampemerblah wrote:
For the sake of the livelihoods of everyone connected to hunting over the continent, I sure hope it isn't.
Words just escape me here. I cannot even conceive of your mindset. So sad.

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Amen, suzy.

There isn't enough space here for me to explain just how barbaric and misguided that statement is.

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

MrsSweetieBear — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:43:24 GMT

@mstyrion 1 wrote:
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@blahblahvampemerblah wrote:
For the sake of the livelihoods of everyone connected to hunting over the continent, I sure hope it isn't.
Words just escape me here. I cannot even conceive of your mindset. So sad.
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Amen, suzy.

There isn't enough space here for me to explain just how barbaric and misguided that statement is.
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Perfect example of why we need a Dislike/Thumbs down icon here or at the very least an IGNORE option.

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

GingerPeach — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 02:45:21 GMT

It's not just about ending hunting -- and those of you who think it is a "business" need to check your facts and your hearts -- especially because there wouldn't be any need to hunt if man had not messed up the balance of nature.

This is about where we go from here. The wrongful death of Cecil brought a lot of attention and people not yet aware began to be aware. Unfortunately, there are some very hard and scratchy hearts here still. Very sad.

Then again, we do not need a consensus. Good movements are moved forward by those interested, and those who do not let others stop them.

In addition, many of us here have been involved in these movements since before QVC was even around. This is not new to many of us.

The question I was interested in finding opinions on was whether we expect these movements to grow even larger and stronger.

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

Kachina624 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 03:01:22 GMT

Zimbabwe is run by a despot who killed an estimated 20,000 people to gain control of the government. You're naive if you think he's worried about one lion or that there's anything anyone can do about it. Where was the outrage when he was killing people? The fee (I heard $50,000) for killing Cecil probably went right in his well-lined pockets. It's his country, his rules.

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

SydneyH — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 03:03:27 GMT

No it is not, not even close imo............

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

feline groovy — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 22:02:10 GMT

@GingerPeach wrote:
It's not just about ending hunting -- and those of you who think it is a "business" need to check your facts and your hearts -- especially because there wouldn't be any need to hunt if man had not messed up the balance of nature.

This is about where we go from here. The wrongful death of Cecil brought a lot of attention and people not yet aware began to be aware. Unfortunately, there are some very hard and scratchy hearts here still. Very sad.

Then again, we do not need a consensus. Good movements are moved forward by those interested, and those who do not let others stop them.

In addition, many of us here have been involved in these movements since before QVC was even around. This is not new to many of us.

The question I was interested in finding opinions on was whether we expect these movements to grow even larger and stronger.

The answer is a thankful yes, at least IMHO.

It gladdens my heart to see ever-increasing support for animals in general, with most people knowing that they are sentient beings who should be respected, admired, and revered.

I've been keeping an eye on the pet care industry, and it's been increasing every single year as more and more human beings realize that their pets are true family members.

And usually their favorite. 8)

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

Drythe — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 20:52:37 GMT

Homegirl, Thank you for starting this thread. My response is to those who say nothing will change.

JFK said 'A person can change the world, a person has to.'

Naive as it may be, I believe one lion can too.

Already 3 major US airlines have agreed to STOP transporting trophy animal parts.

Already extradition for 'the dentist' IS being considered.

Already charges HAVE been made against him in Zimbabwe.

Already The International Hunting Club to which 'the dentist' belonged HAS cancelled his membership.

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

PamfromCT — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:35:00 GMT

Absolutely.

To some, the killing of Cecil was a minor incident. I'll go out on a limb here, prepared for some attacks: If anyone has a heart, the killing of Cecil was a horrific incident. It also shines a bright light on the practice of trophy hunting. Often if a "face" can be put on a problem, it becomes more real to people and thus inspires an outcry for action.

I have used the analogy of Rosa Parks wanting to sit on a bus. Wasn't that the spark that ignited the civil rights movement? Many thought discrimination was wrong for a long time, but this incident certainly was a spur for action.

No, nothing changes completely overnight. It takes time and effort, but the opportunity for change has begun and will evolve.

"The millstones of the gods grind exceedingly slow but exceedingly fine."

Re: Is Cecil a tipping point?

italia8140 — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:39:59 GMT

@SydneyH wrote:
No it is not, not even close imo............

If you READ and COMPREHEND the definition, it CERTAINLY is.