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Social Security #'s on Medicare Cards?!

Fashionista17 — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 19:45:55 GMT

Well this was a bit of a surprise! My friend turned 65 in May so signed up for Medicare. She receives her Medicare card - in the mail - and sees that her social security number is right on the card, front and center! I couldn't believe it when she showed it to me. What genius thought to put a SS number on a card that millions of people carry every day? They couldn't just assign other numbers? I think this is crazy. What if someone loses a wallet - their SS#is there for all to see! Meanwhile people are told over and over NOT to carry their regular SS card and to keep that number safe. To top it off, the Medicare card instructs people to carry it at all times. What's wrong with this picture?

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kdgn — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 19:48:12 GMT

My mother's Medicare card had a SS number on it, my father's. This is nothing new.

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Bird mama — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 19:48:45 GMT

There was a time all health insurance cards had the social security number on it. I work for a private insurance company and remember when we started to de-identify the subsciber's 'contract number'.

Often times, the mandates that apply to insurance companies do not apply to government programs.

Not trying to start a fight - it is what it is :-)

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LilacTree — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 19:54:47 GMT

It makes sense since SS and Medicare are so intertwined. My SS number is on my Medicare card with an "A" following it. I don't know if all Medicare cards have an "A" or what it stands for. All I know is that's how it's always been.

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ChynnaBlue — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 19:54:54 GMT

@Bird mama wrote:
There was a time all health insurance cards had the social security number on it. I work for a private insurance company and remember when we started to de-identify the subsciber's 'contract number'.

Often times, the mandates that apply to insurance companies do not apply to government programs.

Not trying to start a fight - it is what it is :-)

This is exactly right and that time was not very long ago. California passed a law that became effective in 2002 and prevented this from private business, notably insurance carriers. It changed the entire industry because all the big insurance companies insure people in California.

Government agencies were excluded from the law, however.

It's a fantastic question and one you should bring up with your congressmen. That's maybe something they could all manage to agree on - just don't tell them the idea started in California.

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this is my nic — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 19:56:03 GMT

Isn't that the craziest? Evidently, many stolen SS #'s were stolen through Dr. and dentist's offices! Surely the brilliant minds at the federal gov't could have developed a way to assign a different number for Medicare. However, I'm probably giving them too much credit for their abilities.

If your medical care office asks for your SS#, you can tell them NO. They can use your phone # and/or your DOB for ID purposes. My neighbor just encountered this. When she refused to give her SS#, the front desk employee said that she needed to put someting in that space. My neighbor said use "000-00-0000" She did not give her SS#!

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Lucibee — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:00:50 GMT

I only use the last 4 digits on any form, I will not give out my number.

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addiegal — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:23:20 GMT

Ford, the A on your Medicare card is to identify the primary beneficiary and B follows that of the secondary beneficiary. Also, if you are secondary the primary's SS # is on your card not your number. This is if you are being paid benefits or covered by Medicare through a spouse.

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HAPPY LADY — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:32:07 GMT

Why are you surprised? In order to qualify for Medicare or Medicade you must enter the system; which also means you have to have a Social Security #. Then you receive an official Medicare or Medicade card when you reach qualifing age (currently 65). Over and over we are advised to NOT carry your social security card; keep in a safe place; this is constantly being published and even says it on the card and all the documents that come with the offical card. YOU NEVER CARRY YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY CARD AROUND WITH YOU.

If you do not provide your ss # and/or medicare or medicade cards and a photo ID when you are going to use any government benefits i.e. medical treatment through medicare or medicade the office where you are filling out your medical information needs other proof of who you are (as mentioned in another post here). With this other provided information they look you up and write you ss #/ Medicare ID # on you information sheet anyway. You are not protecting anything; you ss #/ Medicare # gives your account access to your qualifications. If you give out bogues information or no insurance information i.e. private insurance or government insurance and they cannot submit your medical claim then you will get the bill and be responsible for the entire amount.

Your social security number is a code of several things; what state you applied in and other information. The A at the end of the numbers means you contributed to your account at sometime in your work history. The B means you did not contribute but are qualified under your spouses account.

Yes, having our SS numbers on everything is ridiculous and obviously was not thought out since there was no such thing as computers and internet identity theft when this system was created many years ago.

There are many discussion going on in Congress how to privide a new numerical system that is not required everywhere and easily stolen. I asked my internist if the people at the front desk were bonded and researched before given the power to see all our important information and got a very vague answer.

By the way, we've been having this discussion for about 40 years now. This is nothing new.

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LilacTree — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:30:03 GMT

@addiegal wrote:
Ford, the A on your Medicare card is to identify the primary beneficiary and B follows that of the secondary beneficiary. Also, if you are secondary the primary's SS # is on your card not your number. This is if you are being paid benefits or covered by Medicare through a spouse.

Wow, thanks for that!! I truly never thought about researching the reason for it. I have been single since 1975, so I am proud to be the primary beneficiary!!

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Chrystaltree2 — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:30:07 GMT

Your Medicare and SSA benefits are based on your Social Security record and that identification number is your SS number (or a spouse or a parent's number). There are millions upon millions of beneficiaries. Can you imagine the confusion and mixups and errors that would result if everyone was assigned some type of pseudo number? It would never work. Plus it would be overkill. It would be like demolishing your house because you have ants in your pantry.

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Hooty — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:30:43 GMT

Hello ............... that is your Medicare# ............... Your SSN!!! And your medicare insurance money is taken out of your SS, DUH!

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Stray — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:36:14 GMT

My social security number has always been on my card. It is the one number that is a unique identifier, I guess. Many clinical laboratories and physician offices still use a patient's SS#

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HAPPY LADY — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:37:36 GMT

The A or B is not relevant to the benefits. Everyone pays the same in the state where you live and then can buy a supplemental policy to pay the remaining 20% balance of approved charges that the government doesn't pay. The cost of these supplement policies are also based on insurance charges in the state where you live.

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addiegal — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:52:13 GMT

And the amount you pay per month for Medicare changes at the beginning of the calender year. Then there are the Part C plans which administer your Medicare benefits instead of the government. A lot of the people I know use these but my husband and I use Medicare and supplemental insurance. It is a matter of preference.

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KailaS — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:05:16 GMT

As everyone before me indicated, the SS number is on those cards. Heck, when i was in college, all atudent i.d.s and student numbers were Social Security numbers. That system finally changed not too long ago.

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cloudyQ — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:14:52 GMT

It has been advised for years not to carry your SS card. Now, they are advising that you not carry your medicare card. Carry a copy of your medicare card with all but the last four digits blacked out. You can provide the other digits verbally if there is a need for the full SS number.

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sunshine45 — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:19:19 GMT

cloudyQ wrote:
It has been advised for years not to carry your SS card. Now, they are advising that you not carry your medicare card. Carry a copy of your medicare card with all but the last four digits blacked out. You can provide the other digits verbally if there is a need for the full SS number.

i am not on medicare, but i know that the doctors i go to and the doctors i have taken my kids to ALWAYS want to see my card EVERY time i go in......and they make a copy of it. they want to be sure that i still have the same insurance and that i am covered. they wont accept me bringing in a copy.

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JaneMarple — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:20:22 GMT

For years until it was changed Massachusetts driver's licenses numbers were social security numbers.

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lulu2 — Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:31:04 GMT

Until the day he died, my father carried his SS card in his wallet. I bet many seniors do too. I remember probably displaying mine in my wallet when I first received it. It's probably only been the last 10 or 15 years that we were told not to carry it in your wallet.