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Caitlyn Jenner's Voice

Black Cat Back — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:07:26 GMT

In the new clip for the E! show about Caitlyn, her voice is still that of Bruce.

It is a bit disjointed seeing Caitlyn speaking but the voice is very masculine.

I am wondering if there is a way to change someone's voice to be more feminine in gender transitions? I think Chaz Bono sounds more masculine than he did as Chastity.

Does anyone know?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/26/i-am-cait-promo_n_7671074.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

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Bird mama — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:10:09 GMT

I think hormones have something to do with it. I suppose if the person is serious enough about it, he or she could work with a voice coach.

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Puzzle Piece — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:12:16 GMT

I thought some kind of hormone treatment. How does science deal with the large masculine hands and thick neck?. Soon to be balding and receeding hairline too? Hairy legs, underarms, and other areas? Lots of work to be done and the upkeep must be costly.

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terrier3 — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:13:01 GMT

@Bird mama wrote:
I think hormones have something to do with it. I suppose if the person is serious enough about it, he or she could work with a voice coach.

When I took the course in social work school, the woman who came in to describe her trans experience spoke quietly in a higher register. But then, for dramatic effect - she used her "real" male voice - loud, low and booming!!!

She did say that many use voice coaches...but hormones won't make an appreciable difference with most people.

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Black Cat Back — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:14:46 GMT

Watching her looking like a woman but talking like Bruce in his voice, makes it appear more she is in drag. I don't mean that disrespectfully, but the voice makes it hard to appeciate the changes.

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Nightowlz — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:17:03 GMT

@Puzzle Piece wrote:
I thought some kind of hormone treatment. How does science deal with the large masculine hands and thick neck?. Soon to be balding and receeding hairline too? Hairy legs, underarms, and other areas? Lots of work to be done and the upkeep must be costly.

I wondered about the neck & hands. I did notice Caitlyn's large hands. Don't think hormones will fix those areas.

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terrier3 — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:17:38 GMT

@DARING GREATLY wrote:
Watching her looking like a woman but talking like Bruce in his voice, makes it appear more she is in drag. I don't mean that disrespectfully, but the voice makes it hard to appeciate the changes.

I bet she'll work with a voice coach soon.

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Lucky Charm — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:19:26 GMT

I never thought Bruce had a deep booming voice (surprising since he smoked), so I guess Caitlyn could just try talking softer and whispery. Don't know if Caitlyn still smokes----beauty secret----don't!.

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RainCityWoman — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:20:42 GMT

The transgender actress on Orange is the New Black has a man's voice as well, though it is not a deep, masculine voice. Caitlyn's voice isn't deep either. I don't think it matters really.

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chickenbutt — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:23:06 GMT

Once the male vocal chords have completely developed, there is just not as much 'going back' as one might like. The best you can do at that point is to just try and modify your voice, through coaching, to bring it up as much as you can.

Some can bring it up more than others. There is a lot of benefit in being able to transition when you are younger, going from m to f. If you are going from f to m, the hormones take care of it because that alone brings down your voice. It's kind of a 'one way street' kind of thing - a voice can be brought down but it's a whole other thing to try and bring it back up.

Hope that made sense.

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momtochloe — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:26:26 GMT

I don't know if this applies but I once read an article on Kathleen Turner and they asked her about her voice. She said she trained with a vocal coach for a long time to get that smokey register so I would imagine if someone wanted to change their vocal range it is possible with practice.

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Lucky Charm — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:29:35 GMT

I remember someone interviewing Kathleen Turner years ago and they mentioned her deep husky voice.

She actually went to a voice coach who instructed her clench down her molars on pencil erasers and trained her to speak from her gut.

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brii — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:30:20 GMT

@momtochloe wrote:
I don't know if this applies but I once read an article on Kathleen Turner and they asked her about her voice. She said she trained with a vocal coach for a long time to get that smokey register so I would imagine if someone wanted to change their vocal range it is possible with practice.

Kathleen Turner has such a great voice.

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ChynnaBlue — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:38:10 GMT

@DARING GREATLY wrote:
Watching her looking like a woman but talking like Bruce in his voice, makes it appear more she is in drag. I don't mean that disrespectfully, but the voice makes it hard to appeciate the changes.

That's all on you. A lot of women have masculine voices and have made careers out of them - Mavis Staples, Kathleen Turner, and others. And a lot of men have higher voices and made careers out of that, like Michael Jackson.

Your preconceptions and knowledge of her past are getting in the way of appreciating the change, not her voice.

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Say Nay — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:59:54 GMT

@ChynnaBlue wrote:
@DARING GREATLY wrote:
Watching her looking like a woman but talking like Bruce in his voice, makes it appear more she is in drag. I don't mean that disrespectfully, but the voice makes it hard to appeciate the changes.

That's all on you. A lot of women have masculine voices and have made careers out of them - Mavis Staples, Kathleen Turner, and others. And a lot of men have higher voices and made careers out of that, like Michael Jackson.

Your preconceptions and knowledge of her past are getting in the way of appreciating the change, not her voice.

Lauren Bacall had an amazing, deep sultry voice. No one would ever doubt her femininty.

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SuiGeneris — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 17:27:18 GMT

Does anyone remember Dana Carvey's impersonation of George H.W. Bush?

He used a very high-pitched voice ["a thousand points of light . . ."]

Bush got lampooned a lot during his presidential campaign, so he used vocal training to lower the pitch [or register] of his voice.

I remember it well because his voice coach appeared on Oprah's show to tell the story and while he was there, he chose several audience members and worked with them prior to the show to change certain things about their voices that they didn't like.

It was really interesting.

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Black Cat Back — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 17:40:49 GMT

@ChynnaBlue wrote:
@DARING GREATLY wrote:
Watching her looking like a woman but talking like Bruce in his voice, makes it appear more she is in drag. I don't mean that disrespectfully, but the voice makes it hard to appeciate the changes.

That's all on you. A lot of women have masculine voices and have made careers out of them - Mavis Staples, Kathleen Turner, and others. And a lot of men have higher voices and made careers out of that, like Michael Jackson.

Your preconceptions and knowledge of her past are getting in the way of appreciating the change, not her voice.

Point taken. Thanks. You are right, I think because we knew Bruce so many years prior and know his voice, unlike some transgender people who are famous and unknown to us before, it's because of our familiarity with the past. I had Bruce Jenner's picture on my bedroom wall after he won at the Olympics.

One clarification, Michael Jackson did have a lower registered and deeper voice. Later in his life, he would use his natural deeper voice while speaking. On his "Invincible" album, the song "2000 Watts" he sang in his deeper voice and some couldn't recognize that it was him.

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SusieQ_2 — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 18:06:09 GMT

I thought I heard a Dr. talking about a surgery that could raise Caitlyn's voice so I looked it up and it's called "feminization laryngoplasty."

Apparently there are some risks associated with the procedure and the results I heard on the website weren't too good.

Big Brother 17, which started Wednesday, has the first transgendered person to be on the show. Her name is Audrey Middleton. She was a male, who is now completely transgendered, and she sounds very female. She's very pretty and the house guests were very surprised when she revealed her "secret."

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cherry — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 18:08:49 GMT

I wouldn't mess with my voice. Look what happened to Joan Rivers

@SusieQ_2 wrote:
I thought I heard a Dr. talking about a surgery that could raise Caitlyn's voice so I looked it up and it's called "feminization laryngoplasty."

Apparently there are some risks associated with the procedure and the results I heard on the website weren't too good.

Big Brother 17, which started Wednesday, has the first transgendered person to be on the show. Her name is Audrey Middleton. She was a male, who is now completely transgendered, and she sounds very female. She's very pretty and the house guests were very surprised when she revealed her "secret."

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Suziepeach — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 18:11:53 GMT

@SusieQ_2 wrote:
I thought I heard a Dr. talking about a surgery that could raise Caitlyn's voice so I looked it up and it's called "feminization laryngoplasty."

Apparently there are some risks associated with the procedure and the results I heard on the website weren't too good.

Big Brother 17, which started Wednesday, has the first transgendered person to be on the show. Her name is Audrey Middleton. She was a male, who is now completely transgendered, and she sounds very female. She's very pretty and the house guests were very surprised when she revealed her "secret."

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Thanks for the information, Susie. That's the surgery I was thinking of. I've seen and heard fully transgenders that have beaufiful feminine voices. I wonder if Cait/Bruce will take this all the way?