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Can we guess to help find the bad guys?

onewhiteSparrow — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:05:01 GMT

I been thinking and pondering ...but not too much. This kind of stuff does not rattle around in my thought process. But thinking we are smart folks around here...so why not guess? Can we guess around here? Does that count?

About that opened man hole in the road....I think someone outside the prison dug toward the prison.

And who looked at the blue prints of that man hole pipes and where it went underground? How did the prisoners know where to start digging and cutting to connect up with the pipes underground?

Maybe that open man hole was for everyone to look there ....while they both walked out the front door.

Or maybe using a delivery truck to get away and keep driving down the road. And kept driving to the air port to fly out of the country.

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Puzzle Piece — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:13:14 GMT

Havent given much thought to the manhole idea. I did however get the feeling someone on the outside other than who's been investigated helped out. Saw a show/interview with 'Dog' (Dwayne) the Bounty Hunter. He felt those guys are no longer in the country and the authorities need to look to Canada to find them - if they haven't left the continent altogether. I have to think he may have something there.

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onewhiteSparrow — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:26:00 GMT

I agree with Dog they have to be far gone. No way would they make all those plans and not have a get away far out of the State or Country. Someone outside the prison could have rented a plane to be ready to fly them where ever they made plans to travel.

They would have to leave the USA fast because we have too many cameras in our phones, and TV News looking for the first story to report.

But I ponder that they were reported to be in a hunters cabin. So maybe that was the location to meet up with someone to take them out of the area. It was reported that the cabin belonged to a prison guard. Darn this in crazy.

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cherry — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:30:55 GMT

I heard their DNA was found in one of the cabins. They had eaten peanut butter or something. If they are living rough they must be getting very hungry now

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onewhiteSparrow — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:39:16 GMT

cherry, Wonder how far apart the cabin is from the prison?

Hard to think they made these wild plans with all kind of different people to not have a major get away plan somewhere close to the prison.

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cherry — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:40:43 GMT

@onewhiteSparrow wrote:
cherry, Wonder how far apart the cabin is from the prison?
Hard to think they made these wild plans with all kind of different people to not have a major get away plan somewhere close to the prison.

about 12 to 20 miles away

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lobstergal — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:45:55 GMT

The real question is why would anyone on the outside do anything to help those 2 escape? What possible benefit could a rational thinking person figure they would have to gain and not have any regard for the possible consequence for their stupidity? These are the kind of thoughts rolling around in my head.

That said, you know the saying......hide in plain sight...

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onewhiteSparrow — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:57:35 GMT

lobstergal, It seems the female so she thought was to gain the loss of her huband. She would help them and they would help her. She checked into the hospital to have an cover story of where she was when they did away with her husband. But even those plans went wrong for her.

The guard could have something the bad guys was going to do for him in exchange for what he did to help them excape.

The bad only needs to find someones weakness and use it for their gain in doing somethng. One rule is never tell anyone your weakness.

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NYwoman — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 02:28:36 GMT

I know it seems weird to the majority of the population in the real world, but these guys are master manipulators. They have nothing but time to think up scams.

I interviewed jail inmates and saw their cunning ways. I have had them try to play me. And I knew a prison guard who spoke of the sheer tedium of their job. I can understand the dynamic happening. Neither life is one I'd aspire to. And burn out and frustration happens.

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onewhiteSparrow — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 03:18:21 GMT

NYwoman, what was your main reason to interview them?

I grew up around a very cunning female and she was good. When she spoke to others trying to get what she wants, or to con them for her own reasons she was believable. I learned to not listen to her voice tone, and do not let her expression guild me to know if what was being said was true or false. I learned how to read people different.

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Vickiv — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 03:25:44 GMT

I believe this prison break was well thought out. Scripted to perfection. Long time planning. I don't think they are in the country. Amazing part is the people that helped them. Why ? Now they are in big trouble. What did they think they were going to get out of all this? They are in the hot seat. I bet there are more people involved in this. Amazing

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onewhiteSparrow — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 06:31:16 GMT

vickiv, Maybe the prisoners are good cons and told them some tall tales to get their way. Some people have a voice with a certain tone that causes people to do and follow them without thinking.

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onewhiteSparrow — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 06:38:36 GMT

Wonder if the female and the guard were ever lovers?

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Vickiv — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 14:04:00 GMT

I do believe that they did con these people in to help them. I didn't realize they can be clever to make you think their way. I Just thought working in a prison that you were aware of prisoners and their sweet talk. I guess they were really smarter then people took them for. It is interesting how you can be talked into something so devious but the world is full of very clever con artist.

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Chrystaltree2 — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 14:15:57 GMT

I'm pretty sick of hearing about the whole thing but I do think that they are no where near that area, they got out, got far away and left the country within days of their escape. They got off plan when the get away driver didn't show up and made use of the cabin but not for long. It's obvious that their plan was well thought out, well planned and they had plenty of help from inside and outside the prison. They certainly had access to prison blue prints and to underground systems. They had a huge "network" behind them and it included people outside the prison as well as inside the prison. I also think they had alternate identities all set up. They just had to alter their appearnaces, which is easy and "slip" into their new lives. The plan must have take years to pull off.

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riley1 — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 14:22:28 GMT

IMO, I don't think she was the planned driver at all. I think they led her to believe a lot of things and she was probably just gullible enough to think she was the one that was going to assist. My guess is her "panic" attack was also staged to give them more time. They had someone they trusted to actually pick them up and drive them somewhere.

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Puzzle Piece — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 14:22:54 GMT

@onewhiteSparrow wrote:
Wonder if the female and the guard were ever lovers?

Time will tell. She would go into the closet in the tailor shop with the first guy Sweat, then when that 'romance' fizzled out, it was Matt. It was well over 100 times that she admitted.

Last night on CNN Dog was featured and he's in NY. He stated that the cabin thing might not be the truth but a ruse. When these two are caught and they will be caught it will be very interesting on how everything went down. The female let them use or gave them cell phone use so just about anything is possible.

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LilacTree — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 14:39:49 GMT

All I can think of is what a great movie this will make. It has everything.

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corita — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 15:59:51 GMT

@LilacTree wrote:
All I can think of is what a great movie this will make. It has everything.

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Exactly what I was thinking yesterday while watching the news!! However, I do hope the ending is that they were caught and back in a secure prison.

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terrier3 — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 16:03:14 GMT

@onewhiteSparrow wrote:
vickiv, Maybe the prisoners are good cons and told them some tall tales to get their way. Some people have a voice with a certain tone that causes people to do and follow them without thinking.

Matt was in our local prisons for years. A few guards caled in to a local talk show and said he was a real "ladies man" - he was extremely well endowed.

They said that he found "friends" in all the jails he was in. He is a real charmer.