https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1845316#M634914 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/11/2015 <STRONG>RainCityGirl</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>Since WHEN are cops trained to shoot to kill in a situation of a broken tail light and a child support delinquency? Cops are trained to use reasonable judgement and diffuse before things get out of hand. They shoot to kill when they are in very dangerous situations, and many of them do find themselves in that scenario. This guy just made it that much more difficult for truly conscientious officers. That officer did NOT have probable cause to shoot that fleeing man in the back, and he lied about his life being threatened. IT WASN't. Period. You can contrive all kinds of fantasies in your heads to excuse this cop, but he was wrong....dead wrong. Had there not been a video and a man in the car, this cop would have gone free untarnished by his decision, just as other cops have. They can turn off any cams they have on their person, but they can't turn off all the other cameras of private citizens that may be watching and recording them. There have always been dirty cops and overly aggressive cops that give a bad name to others. It's a shame, really. And the guy who fled? Sure, he used bad judgement thinking fleeing would help him avoid jail time for deliquent child support. They would have caught up to him eventually anyway. He paid for it with his life because a rogue cop couldn't control himself. We don't need irrational people on the police force as well as the citizenry.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>You are making too many assumptions this early on. All the evidence isn't in, and we have to wait on that before we can unequivocally declare the cop as guilty.</P> <P>Did anyone consider, even the most remote possibility, that he was charged and widely condemned so quickly in order to avoid another Ferguson? Could it have been done to keep the peace, prevent more riots? Perhaps yes, and perhaps no, only time will tell the whole story.</P> <P>But people who get on boards within hours or days of an event like this, who witnessed nothing personally, who look at video provided by news sources (that we learn more every day we can't trust, and are out to make a buck, get the ratings), and trust what they think they already know as gospel, to convict as judge and jury, should consider there might be more to it than meets the eye. That there just might be two wrongs and neither were right. </P> Sat, 11 Apr 2015 20:04:08 GMT Mominohio 2015-04-11T20:04:08Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844359#M634233 <P>Instead of stopping cars for broken brake lights, cracked windows, etc.....</P> <P>How about MY simple solution -</P> <P>Just get their license plate number, enter it into the in-car computer, and issue a ticket to their homes automatically.</P> <P>This wouldn't apply to speeding or erratic driving...just simple things like expired plates, broken lights, etc.</P> <P>It will save LE time, make money for the city and keep everyone - citizens and police - a lot safer.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:17:51 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844359#M634233 terrier3 2015-04-08T20:17:51Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844365#M634238 <P>That sounds like a good idea.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:20:03 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844365#M634238 scotttie 2015-04-08T20:20:03Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844370#M634242 <P>It is a good idea, but folks could say they never received the ticket in the mail.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:22:03 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844370#M634242 deepwaterdotter 2015-04-08T20:22:03Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844375#M634246 Then they get the ticket in the mail, fix the problem, and fight the ticket, no? Claim the plate # must have been wrong or something. (If this is a continuation of some other conversation, I'm not aware) Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:23:51 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844375#M634246 VanSleepy 2015-04-08T20:23:51Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844380#M634250 <P>Okay by me. They do that in Seattle for school zone violations. If you speed, a camera records your speed, your car and license number, time of day, date, etc. Then you get a little letter with your car photo and the place you were, plus the fine, which the last time I checked was just under $200. If you want to contest the fine, you can request a court appearance at their convenience and plead your case. It frees LE up for other more serious things.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:23:56 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844380#M634250 RainCityGirl 2015-04-08T20:23:56Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844385#M634254 <P>Sounds like a plan.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:25:14 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844385#M634254 Purrrfect 2015-04-08T20:25:14Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844390#M634258 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>deepwaterdotter</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>It is a good idea, but folks could say they never received the ticket in the mail.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>They could send it certified or whichever is the one that needs a signature to prove receipt.......</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:26:42 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844390#M634258 jessa 2015-04-08T20:26:42Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844395#M634262 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>VanSleepy</STRONG> said:</SPAN> Then they get the ticket in the mail, fix the problem, and fight the ticket, no? Claim the plate # must have been wrong or something. (If this is a continuation of some other conversation, I'm not aware)</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I was actually thinking that they might have 30 days to fix the problem and get the ticket dismissed. That is usually what happens now to expired inspection sticker violations here now anyway.</P> <P>This would get the problems taken care of - the goal of the fine in the first place...or result in a fine for the city.</P> <P>Lots of cities now have automatic tickets for people going through red lights or toll booths.</P> <P>This would be similar and would cut down on unnecessary encounters that could be dangerous all around.</P> <P> </P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:28:16 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844395#M634262 terrier3 2015-04-08T20:28:16Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844400#M634266 <P>Sounds reasonable to me. If an infraction isn't a danger to others or the driver, why not?</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:29:30 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844400#M634266 kdgn 2015-04-08T20:29:30Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844405#M634270 <P>There are a million different reasons why the police want to actually talk to the driver. Sometimes it's those simple stops that reveal major criminals.</P> <P>Two words: <STRONG>Timothy McVeigh</STRONG> (Stopped for missing tags)</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:35:59 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844405#M634270 sidsmom 2015-04-08T20:35:59Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844410#M634274 <P>do you know how many felons have been apprehended over a broken tail light or other minor violation.........you can start with Lee Harvey Oswald.....and follow it up with Timothy McVeigh....................................raven</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:36:54 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844410#M634274 raven-blackbird 2015-04-08T20:36:54Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844415#M634278 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="" quote_author="">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>sidsmom</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>There are a million different reasons why the police want to actually talk to the driver. Sometimes it's those simple stops that reveal major criminals.</P> <P>Two words: <STRONG>Timothy McVeigh</STRONG> Missing tags.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That was a once in a lifetime catch.</P> <P>Most of these minor infractions are just that - minor.</P> <P>If they run the plates and find out there is an arrest warrant...they can proceed with caution.</P> <P>It is illegal to search w/o probable cause. You just can't get pulled over for a broken light and searched for everything and anything.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:39:06 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844415#M634278 terrier3 2015-04-08T20:39:06Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844420#M634282 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>terrier3</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>VanSleepy</STRONG> said:</SPAN> Then they get the ticket in the mail, fix the problem, and fight the ticket, no? Claim the plate # must have been wrong or something. (If this is a continuation of some other conversation, I'm not aware)</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I was actually thinking that they might have 30 days to fix the problem and get the ticket dismissed. That is usually what happens now to expired inspection sticker violations here now anyway.</P> <P>This would get the problems taken care of - the goal of the fine in the first place...or result in a fine for the city.</P> <P>Lots of cities now have automatic tickets for people going through red lights or toll booths.</P> <P>This would be similar and would cut down on unnecessary encounters that could be dangerous all around.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> That sounds like a plan. Not sure if you get any time to fix the problem here and get the ticket dismissed. Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:39:29 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844420#M634282 VanSleepy 2015-04-08T20:39:29Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844425#M634286 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>raven-blackbird</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>do you know how many felons have been apprehended over a broken tail light or other minor violation.........you can start with Lee Harvey Oswald.....and follow it up with Timothy McVeigh....................................raven</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Funny we posted this @ the same time! My SO is a police officer &amp; has been patient answering my questions about stuff like this! Like I mentioned before, there are many different reasons why the police want to talk w/ the actual driver of the car in question.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:42:34 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844425#M634286 sidsmom 2015-04-08T20:42:34Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844430#M634290 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>deepwaterdotter</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>It is a good idea, but folks could say they never received the ticket in the mail.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Judging by the mail delivery lately they might very well be telling the truth.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:45:02 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844430#M634290 KittyLouSoutenu 2015-04-08T20:45:02Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844435#M634294 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>raven-blackbird</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>do you know how many felons have been apprehended over a broken tail light or other minor violation.........you can start with Lee Harvey Oswald.....and follow it up with Timothy McVeigh....................................raven</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> A historical factual correction. The arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald had absolutely nothing to do with a motor vehicle violation. he was captured while on foot. Yes, McVeigh was caught when he was pulled over for driving a vehicle with no license plates. Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:53:11 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844435#M634294 KathyPet 2015-04-08T20:53:11Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844440#M634298 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>sidsmom</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>raven-blackbird</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>do you know how many felons have been apprehended over a broken tail light or other minor violation.........you can start with Lee Harvey Oswald.....and follow it up with Timothy McVeigh....................................raven</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Funny we posted this @ the same time! My SO is a police officer &amp; has been patient answering my questions about stuff like this! Like I mentioned before, there are many different reasons why the police want to talk w/ the actual driver of the car in question.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>exactly right...........they use the minor infraction as probable cause to move into what they really stopped them for...............................................raven</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:01:53 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844440#M634298 raven-blackbird 2015-04-08T21:01:53Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844445#M634302 <P>They've used lights around here for people not coming to a complete stop, AND they send them a ticket for $500. No accident, just supposedly a rolling stop.</P> <P>In about two years, it all backfired, with it being proven the lights weren't always correct. Small towns who used them for making money were stuck with big bills AFTER they'd collected a small fortune.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:06:18 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844445#M634302 NoelSeven 2015-04-08T21:06:18Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844450#M634306 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>KathyPet</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>raven-blackbird</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>do you know how many felons have been apprehended over a broken tail light or other minor violation.........you can start with Lee Harvey Oswald.....and follow it up with Timothy McVeigh....................................raven</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> A historical factual correction. The arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald had absolutely nothing to do with a motor vehicle violation. he was captured while on foot. Yes, McVeigh was caught when he was pulled over for driving a vehicle with no license plates.</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>yes and no..............Oswald was stopped by a police officer as he stood on the street...the officer thought he fit the description.....minutes later that officer was shot dead..................................raven</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:07:47 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844450#M634306 raven-blackbird 2015-04-08T21:07:47Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844455#M634310 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>KittyLouSoutenu</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>deepwaterdotter</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>It is a good idea, but folks could say they never received the ticket in the mail.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><STRONG>Judging by the mail delivery lately they might very well be telling the truth.</STRONG></P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I hear that...SMH<IMG src="http://community.qvc.com/DesktopModules/ExactTarget/Controls/TextEditor/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/001_rolleyes.gif" alt="{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}" /></P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:16:01 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844455#M634310 betteb 2015-04-08T21:16:01Z