https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1845276#M634897 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/11/2015 <STRONG>Lila Belle</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/11/2015 <STRONG>mominohio</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/11/2015 <STRONG>terrier3</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/11/2015 <STRONG>mominohio</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>If this is directed at me, then show me where I stated it was his total fault he is dead. I did not. From the beginning I have said, he <SPAN style="text-decoration: underline;">&lt;em&gt;<STRONG>shares</STRONG>&lt;/em&gt;</SPAN> in the responsibility of the events that took place, and he initiated them. He exacerbated them by running, and not following the directions of the officer.</P> <P>So sorry that it didn't work out for him, and it happens like that everyday in all kinds of situations not related to law enforcement. Life isn't fair, and even though we didn't do enough wrong to justify it, we get hit with things in a way bigger proportion than is fair for our input into the situation. Makes you think, that maybe we should think before we do, and just plain stand up, when we know we're busted, take responsibility for where we are with the situation, and not make it worse.</P> <P>Even the man's own father said he thinks he ran because he didn't want to go to jail, he'd been there and didn't want to go back. Let's see, go to jail, or risk, in light of what is going on with these situations, make a move that could lead to death?</P> <P>Nope, he didn't have long to assess the situation, try to decide how to proceed, or what the long term consequences might be with every available option. Neither did the cop.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>He shares nothing.</P> <P>The officer was 100% responsible for shooting an innocent man. He broke every rule in the police handbook. We don't live in a police state. They have to follow the law too.</P> <P><SPAN style="text-decoration: underline;"><EM><STRONG>The officer had the man's license. Even if he had a child support warrant, the police knew where he lived, they had his car and he could have been picked up later</STRONG></EM></SPAN>. I don't think the officer even knew about the child support - it happened too quickly.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>My earlier point exactly. Why run? They had you to rights. They were going to get you on this (maybe, if the warrant wasn't served, then they were probably having trouble finding him) now or later. Stand up, be a man, and live up to your responsibility then and there. The officer in dash cam video was calm and respectful. Why run?</P> <P>He CHOSE to run. He took the risk all on his own accord. I didn't see anyone egging him on. He made a stupid move and paid for it with his life. Did he pay too high a price? Of course he did, but the bottom line still remains, he made choices, clear back to what caused the issuing of the warrant. He initiated, way back then, the chain of events that ended in his death. He made choices at each point along the way. He bears some responsibility. Period.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR /> <SPAN style="text-decoration: underline;"><EM><STRONG>Scott chose to run.</STRONG></EM></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="text-decoration: underline;"><EM><STRONG>Slagle decided to murder him.</STRONG></EM></SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="text-decoration: underline;"><EM><STRONG>Period</STRONG></EM></SPAN>.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Yes. Chain of events, each responsible for what they did and where it led. Are we agreeing?</P> <P>Although the murder charge is just that at this time. We'll see if there is a conviction, when all the evidence is in.</P> Sat, 11 Apr 2015 19:44:41 GMT Mominohio 2015-04-11T19:44:41Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844359#M634233 <P>Instead of stopping cars for broken brake lights, cracked windows, etc.....</P> <P>How about MY simple solution -</P> <P>Just get their license plate number, enter it into the in-car computer, and issue a ticket to their homes automatically.</P> <P>This wouldn't apply to speeding or erratic driving...just simple things like expired plates, broken lights, etc.</P> <P>It will save LE time, make money for the city and keep everyone - citizens and police - a lot safer.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:17:51 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844359#M634233 terrier3 2015-04-08T20:17:51Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844365#M634238 <P>That sounds like a good idea.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:20:03 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844365#M634238 scotttie 2015-04-08T20:20:03Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844370#M634242 <P>It is a good idea, but folks could say they never received the ticket in the mail.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:22:03 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844370#M634242 deepwaterdotter 2015-04-08T20:22:03Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844375#M634246 Then they get the ticket in the mail, fix the problem, and fight the ticket, no? Claim the plate # must have been wrong or something. (If this is a continuation of some other conversation, I'm not aware) Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:23:51 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844375#M634246 VanSleepy 2015-04-08T20:23:51Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844380#M634250 <P>Okay by me. They do that in Seattle for school zone violations. If you speed, a camera records your speed, your car and license number, time of day, date, etc. Then you get a little letter with your car photo and the place you were, plus the fine, which the last time I checked was just under $200. If you want to contest the fine, you can request a court appearance at their convenience and plead your case. It frees LE up for other more serious things.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:23:56 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844380#M634250 RainCityGirl 2015-04-08T20:23:56Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844385#M634254 <P>Sounds like a plan.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:25:14 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844385#M634254 Purrrfect 2015-04-08T20:25:14Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844390#M634258 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>deepwaterdotter</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>It is a good idea, but folks could say they never received the ticket in the mail.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>They could send it certified or whichever is the one that needs a signature to prove receipt.......</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:26:42 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844390#M634258 jessa 2015-04-08T20:26:42Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844395#M634262 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>VanSleepy</STRONG> said:</SPAN> Then they get the ticket in the mail, fix the problem, and fight the ticket, no? Claim the plate # must have been wrong or something. (If this is a continuation of some other conversation, I'm not aware)</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I was actually thinking that they might have 30 days to fix the problem and get the ticket dismissed. That is usually what happens now to expired inspection sticker violations here now anyway.</P> <P>This would get the problems taken care of - the goal of the fine in the first place...or result in a fine for the city.</P> <P>Lots of cities now have automatic tickets for people going through red lights or toll booths.</P> <P>This would be similar and would cut down on unnecessary encounters that could be dangerous all around.</P> <P> </P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:28:16 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844395#M634262 terrier3 2015-04-08T20:28:16Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844400#M634266 <P>Sounds reasonable to me. If an infraction isn't a danger to others or the driver, why not?</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:29:30 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844400#M634266 kdgn 2015-04-08T20:29:30Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844405#M634270 <P>There are a million different reasons why the police want to actually talk to the driver. Sometimes it's those simple stops that reveal major criminals.</P> <P>Two words: <STRONG>Timothy McVeigh</STRONG> (Stopped for missing tags)</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:35:59 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844405#M634270 sidsmom 2015-04-08T20:35:59Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844410#M634274 <P>do you know how many felons have been apprehended over a broken tail light or other minor violation.........you can start with Lee Harvey Oswald.....and follow it up with Timothy McVeigh....................................raven</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:36:54 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844410#M634274 raven-blackbird 2015-04-08T20:36:54Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844415#M634278 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="" quote_author="">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>sidsmom</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>There are a million different reasons why the police want to actually talk to the driver. Sometimes it's those simple stops that reveal major criminals.</P> <P>Two words: <STRONG>Timothy McVeigh</STRONG> Missing tags.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That was a once in a lifetime catch.</P> <P>Most of these minor infractions are just that - minor.</P> <P>If they run the plates and find out there is an arrest warrant...they can proceed with caution.</P> <P>It is illegal to search w/o probable cause. You just can't get pulled over for a broken light and searched for everything and anything.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:39:06 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844415#M634278 terrier3 2015-04-08T20:39:06Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844420#M634282 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>terrier3</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>VanSleepy</STRONG> said:</SPAN> Then they get the ticket in the mail, fix the problem, and fight the ticket, no? Claim the plate # must have been wrong or something. (If this is a continuation of some other conversation, I'm not aware)</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I was actually thinking that they might have 30 days to fix the problem and get the ticket dismissed. That is usually what happens now to expired inspection sticker violations here now anyway.</P> <P>This would get the problems taken care of - the goal of the fine in the first place...or result in a fine for the city.</P> <P>Lots of cities now have automatic tickets for people going through red lights or toll booths.</P> <P>This would be similar and would cut down on unnecessary encounters that could be dangerous all around.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> That sounds like a plan. Not sure if you get any time to fix the problem here and get the ticket dismissed. Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:39:29 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844420#M634282 VanSleepy 2015-04-08T20:39:29Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844425#M634286 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>raven-blackbird</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>do you know how many felons have been apprehended over a broken tail light or other minor violation.........you can start with Lee Harvey Oswald.....and follow it up with Timothy McVeigh....................................raven</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Funny we posted this @ the same time! My SO is a police officer &amp; has been patient answering my questions about stuff like this! Like I mentioned before, there are many different reasons why the police want to talk w/ the actual driver of the car in question.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:42:34 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844425#M634286 sidsmom 2015-04-08T20:42:34Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844430#M634290 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>deepwaterdotter</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>It is a good idea, but folks could say they never received the ticket in the mail.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Judging by the mail delivery lately they might very well be telling the truth.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:45:02 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844430#M634290 KittyLouSoutenu 2015-04-08T20:45:02Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844435#M634294 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>raven-blackbird</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>do you know how many felons have been apprehended over a broken tail light or other minor violation.........you can start with Lee Harvey Oswald.....and follow it up with Timothy McVeigh....................................raven</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> A historical factual correction. The arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald had absolutely nothing to do with a motor vehicle violation. he was captured while on foot. Yes, McVeigh was caught when he was pulled over for driving a vehicle with no license plates. Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:53:11 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844435#M634294 KathyPet 2015-04-08T20:53:11Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844440#M634298 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>sidsmom</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>raven-blackbird</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>do you know how many felons have been apprehended over a broken tail light or other minor violation.........you can start with Lee Harvey Oswald.....and follow it up with Timothy McVeigh....................................raven</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Funny we posted this @ the same time! My SO is a police officer &amp; has been patient answering my questions about stuff like this! Like I mentioned before, there are many different reasons why the police want to talk w/ the actual driver of the car in question.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>exactly right...........they use the minor infraction as probable cause to move into what they really stopped them for...............................................raven</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:01:53 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844440#M634298 raven-blackbird 2015-04-08T21:01:53Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844445#M634302 <P>They've used lights around here for people not coming to a complete stop, AND they send them a ticket for $500. No accident, just supposedly a rolling stop.</P> <P>In about two years, it all backfired, with it being proven the lights weren't always correct. Small towns who used them for making money were stuck with big bills AFTER they'd collected a small fortune.</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:06:18 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844445#M634302 NoelSeven 2015-04-08T21:06:18Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844450#M634306 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>KathyPet</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>raven-blackbird</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>do you know how many felons have been apprehended over a broken tail light or other minor violation.........you can start with Lee Harvey Oswald.....and follow it up with Timothy McVeigh....................................raven</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> A historical factual correction. The arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald had absolutely nothing to do with a motor vehicle violation. he was captured while on foot. Yes, McVeigh was caught when he was pulled over for driving a vehicle with no license plates.</BLOCKQUOTE> <P>yes and no..............Oswald was stopped by a police officer as he stood on the street...the officer thought he fit the description.....minutes later that officer was shot dead..................................raven</P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:07:47 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844450#M634306 raven-blackbird 2015-04-08T21:07:47Z https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844455#M634310 <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>KittyLouSoutenu</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN class="quote_author">On 4/8/2015 <STRONG>deepwaterdotter</STRONG> said:</SPAN> <P>It is a good idea, but folks could say they never received the ticket in the mail.</P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><STRONG>Judging by the mail delivery lately they might very well be telling the truth.</STRONG></P> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I hear that...SMH<IMG src="http://community.qvc.com/DesktopModules/ExactTarget/Controls/TextEditor/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/img/001_rolleyes.gif" alt="{#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}" /></P> Wed, 08 Apr 2015 21:16:01 GMT https://community.qvc.com/t5/Community-Chat/My-simple-solution-re-traffic-stops/m-p/1844455#M634310 betteb 2015-04-08T21:16:01Z