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Sigma Alpha Epsilon Song Pervasive

Marp2 — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 21:56:56 GMT

The University of Oklahoma fraternity members who were recorded singing a racist chant on a bus learned the song during a leadership cruise held by Sigma Alpha Epsilon four years ago, university officials announced today.

The University of Oklahoma's chapter of SAE was closed earlier this month after the recording was released online. Two students were subsequently expelled from the school.

The university launched an investigation into the use of the chant, and school president David Boren announced today school officials had found that the 2011 cruise, an annual event, was the first known contact that their students had with the song.

"While there is no indication that the chant was part of the formal teaching of the national organization, it does appear that the chant was widely known and informally shared amongst members on the leadership cruise," Boren wrote in his letter.

It was then brought back to the school's chapter where it was shared with members and pledges for the past four years.

"Over time, the chant was formalized in the local SAE chapter and was taught to pledges as part of the formal and informal pledgeship process," the university's report states, going on to describe it as part of the "institutionalized culture of the chapter."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/oklahoma-fraternity-members-learned-racist-chant-cruise-school/story?id=29955794

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Shawnie — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 22:04:10 GMT

Doesn't surprise me at all.

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millieshops — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 22:07:59 GMT

Why did they expel the two men and not more or not any? I didn't read the story at the time.

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jessa — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 22:09:43 GMT

On 3/27/2015 Shawnie said: Doesn't surprise me at all.

Same here....

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chickenbutt — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 22:24:55 GMT

Not surprised either.

I saw something yesterday or the day before with one of the guys 'apologizing' for his part in it. Really? People don't say/sing things like that unless that is truly part of their thought and belief process. I just think that those 'I'm sorry I got caught' kind of apologies are worse than just keeping it shut. Don't say anything if you don't actually mean that you're sorry YOU DID IT. If you're just sorry you got caught it comes through glaringly in your little apology.

/rant (sorry)

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Autumn in NY — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 22:40:07 GMT

Everyone on the bus was chanting it. Yet only two were expelled. They all knew the words and sung and clapped in unison. I also noticed there was at least one woman on the bus who was clapping away. Disgusting.

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sidsmom — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 22:52:52 GMT

We can't determine if he's really sorry...only he knows that. He did his part by apologizing; now it's our part to forgive. Like a zillion people before him that have made mistakes...he deserves a second chance.

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wildcherry_1 — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 22:54:11 GMT

On 3/27/2015 chickenbutt said:
Not surprised either.

I saw something yesterday or the day before with one of the guys 'apologizing' for his part in it. Really? People don't say/sing things like that unless that is truly part of their thought and belief process. I just think that those 'I'm sorry I got caught' kind of apologies are worse than just keeping it shut. Don't say anything if you don't actually mean that you're sorry YOU DID IT. If you're just sorry you got caught it comes through glaringly in your little apology.

/rant (sorry)

Exactly. I couldn't agree more. These public apologies always killed me. They sound like idiots in my book.

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PIT-HAG Melissa — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 22:54:15 GMT

DISGUSTING and the ONLY reason for sorrow is because they were caught, IMHO!

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hckynut — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:03:43 GMT

I watched the televised newscast of the 1 student. He gave a lack luster apology, which he had to read, and looked annoyed to even be there. The press asked questions to which he replied "I am not here to answer questions". Guess his speech writer didn't have any ready for him. Anyone that bought that nonsense? You are very guilible. Guess it is nice to have very rich parents as that is all I got out of narcisistic so -called apology.

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Autumn in NY — Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:07:53 GMT

The kid who secretly videotaped it and sent it to an African American student should have stood up on the bus and said STOP, I'm not going to take part in this. Instead, he did an underhanded thing which makes you wonder what he was doing on that bus in the first place.

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Pashmina_1 — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 02:57:02 GMT

On 3/27/2015 chickenbutt said:
Not surprised either.

I saw something yesterday or the day before with one of the guys 'apologizing' for his part in it. Really? People don't say/sing things like that unless that is truly part of their thought and belief process. I just think that those 'I'm sorry I got caught' kind of apologies are worse than just keeping it shut. Don't say anything if you don't actually mean that you're sorry YOU DID IT. If you're just sorry you got caught it comes through glaringly in your little apology.

/rant (sorry)

I disagree. In a group mentality one can get caught up in following the crowd even if they don't personally believe in the same values, especially when you are as young as these boys are. It's easier to go along with than it is to stand up to.

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chessylady — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 05:00:44 GMT

They call it leadership training, I call it institutionalized racism.

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Sister Golden Hair — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 05:08:16 GMT

This men are old enough to know what they are doing and no one makes them act this way.

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RainCityGirl — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:10:34 GMT

These men are old enough to make decisions in a voting booth or behind a wheel of a car, on a battlefield,but they are too young to know racism when they see it or sing it? Not buying that defense. You're either part of the problem or part of the solution. My young neighbor girl and her brother are more mature than these guys. All it would take is for ONE of those "brothers" to stop the bus and get off to drive the point home. The same goes for hazing, binge drinking, se x ual misconduct, or any number of other horrid behavior associated with frat rats. And who was driving the bus, by the way? Was that person also complicit?

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Irshgrl31201 — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:17:37 GMT

I read this article and it gave me a really different perspective. I found Maria Dixon to offer a great alternative especially when she mentioned Walter, the black employee of the frat for 15 yrs.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/mariadixonhall/2015/03/a-teachable-moment-how-ou-failed-transformation-101/#disqus_thread

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FUTURE — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:27:40 GMT

Irish, that was an awesome article. What an eye-opening perspective. Thanks for sharing!

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NoelSeven — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:29:13 GMT

On 3/27/2015 chickenbutt said:
Not surprised either.

I saw something yesterday or the day before with one of the guys 'apologizing' for his part in it. Really? People don't say/sing things like that unless that is truly part of their thought and belief process. I just think that those 'I'm sorry I got caught' kind of apologies are worse than just keeping it shut. Don't say anything if you don't actually mean that you're sorry YOU DID IT. If you're just sorry you got caught it comes through glaringly in your little apology.

/rant (sorry)

I'm with you, CB

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NoelSeven — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:29:47 GMT

On 3/27/2015 hckynut said: I watched the televised newscast of the 1 student. He gave a lack luster apology, which he had to read, and looked annoyed to even be there. The press asked questions to which he replied "I am not here to answer questions". Guess his speech writer didn't have any ready for him. Anyone that bought that nonsense? You are very guilible. Guess it is nice to have very rich parents as that is all I got out of narcisistic so -called apology.

Right on, John!

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Irshgrl31201 — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:30:01 GMT

On 3/28/2015 FUTURE said: Irish, that was an awesome article. What an eye-opening perspective. Thanks for sharing!

Thanks Future. I really thought so too. She is a very articulate lady.