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A Question For California Posters

CharleyHorse — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:24:46 GMT

I was reading a description for an Irish sweater, a228594, and it says cannot ship to California. Can anyone explain why they can't? Just curious. CH

Re: A Question For California Posters

NoelSeven — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:42:11 GMT

California has strict rules on what may be mailed into the state. I only came across that once when I ordered a piece from Fenton. I called Q about it and they said it had something in the opalescence or other part of the vase that wasn't approved in CA.

I really wanted it and was never going to drink out of it, so I ordered and had it shipped to a friend in another state who then had it shipped to me.

But I can't imagine what would be in a sweater. Something in the dye?

Maybe you could call and ask about it.

Re: A Question For California Posters

CharleyHorse — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:49:26 GMT

Thanks for your response Noel. I couldn't think of reason for a sweater either. I don't live in California so it's not an issue, but I just found it odd. I wasn't going to order it anyway. I read your corned beef and cabbage turned out well. DH always does his in the pressure cooker and the family said it turned out great too. I hope you had a great St. Patrick's Day and I hope you are having a great spring. CH

Re: A Question For California Posters

SuiGeneris — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:49:57 GMT

After doing a brief online search, I found that green and blue dyes used in textile manufacture can contain heavy metals, such as lead, arsenic and chromium.

From google -- Commonly encountered heavy metals are chromium, cobalt, nickel, copper, zinc, arsenic, selenium, silver, cadmium, antimony, mercury, thallium and lead.

As most people know, California has very strict laws about shipping anything into the state that may contain heavy metals.

Wikipedia:

Proposition 65 is administered by Cal/EPA's California Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment (OEHHA).Proposition 65 regulates substances officially listed by California as having a 1 in 100,000 chance of causing cancer or birth defects or other reproductive harm in two ways. The first statutory requirement of Proposition 65 prohibits businesses from knowingly discharging listed substances into drinking water sources, or onto land where the substances can pass into drinking water sources. The second prohibits businesses from knowingly exposing individuals to listed substances without providing a clear and reasonable warning.

If you wish to have the entire list of banned substances, enter "Proposition 65 List of Chemicals" into a google search.

Re: A Question For California Posters

CharleyHorse — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:53:53 GMT

Thank you so much SuiGeneris! I had no idea about the dyes. That makes me wish all states were that careful about their residents. Thanks again for going through the trouble of looking that up. CH

Re: A Question For California Posters

SuiGeneris — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:56:29 GMT

On 3/20/2015 CharleyHorse said: Thank you so much SuiGeneris! I had no idea about the dyes. That makes me wish all states were that careful about their residents. Thanks again for going through the trouble of looking that up. CH

You're welcome!

I enjoy research.

Re: A Question For California Posters

NoelSeven — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 22:02:18 GMT

On 3/20/2015 CharleyHorse said: Thanks for your response Noel. I couldn't think of reason for a sweater either. I don't live in California so it's not an issue, but I just found it odd. I wasn't going to order it anyway. I read your corned beef and cabbage turned out well. DH always does his in the pressure cooker and the family said it turned out great too. I hope you had a great St. Patrick's Day and I hope you are having a great spring. CH

Hi CH -

I've never heard about it being done in a pressure cooker before, that sounds like such a good idea, especially time saving!

We had a wonderful St. Patrick's Day, and it sounds like you did, also. I am so looking forward to Spring, I hope it's enjoyable for you both, too

Re: A Question For California Posters

NoelSeven — Fri, 20 Mar 2015 22:03:27 GMT

On 3/20/2015 SuiGeneris said:
After doing a brief online search, I found that green and blue dyes used in textile manufacture can contain heavy metals, such as lead, arsenic and chromium.

From google -- Commonly encountered heavy metals are chromium, cobalt, nickel, copper, zinc, arsenic, selenium, silver, cadmium, antimony, mercury, thallium and lead.

As most people know, California has very strict laws about shipping anything into the state that may contain heavy metals.

Wikipedia:

Proposition 65 is administered by Cal/EPA's California Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment (OEHHA).Proposition 65 regulates substances officially listed by California as having a 1 in 100,000 chance of causing cancer or birth defects or other reproductive harm in two ways. The first statutory requirement of Proposition 65 prohibits businesses from knowingly discharging listed substances into drinking water sources, or onto land where the substances can pass into drinking water sources. The second prohibits businesses from knowingly exposing individuals to listed substances without providing a clear and reasonable warning.

If you wish to have the entire list of banned substances, enter "Proposition 65 List of Chemicals" into a google search.

Great research, Sui!

Re: A Question For California Posters

shoekitty — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 03:40:14 GMT

On 3/20/2015 NoelSeven said:
California has strict rules on what may be mailed into the state. I only came across that once when I ordered a piece from Fenton. I called Q about it and they said it had something in the opalescence or other part of the vase that wasn't approved in CA.

I really wanted it and was never going to drink out of it, so I ordered and had it shipped to a friend in another state who then had it shipped to me.

But I can't imagine what would be in a sweater. Something in the dye?

Maybe you could call and ask about it.

Noel there are lead and such in dyes, especially organic dyes as you mentioned in your research. I have heard that there can also be a chemical banned by California in the treatment of the raw wool. I heard this a few years ago. But I am having a hard time finding the right wording in the search engine to research it. Everything I put in says, "BUY wool sweaters, etc from Ireland" lol!

The prop 65 law is a curious law. I agree and support it, but it does have it's challenges. TJMAXX has signs all over about prop 65, and they have sold lead crystal, but they warn you of it. So why don't they ban them from selling it?

I didn't realize how many products are reformulated for CA, but sold in original potency in other states.

Liquid Gold was one. You could purchase spray in the store, but not the liquid can of it. I called company, they said they were based in Nevada, but could not sell that formulation to California. Many cleaning products are banned in CA, we just don't know about it, because we don't see it. Kind of scary they feel it is okay to sell to other states

Re: A Question For California Posters

MaRina — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 15:57:48 GMT

That's interesting about the dyes, I also believe one of Valerie Parhill mercury lamps can't be shipped to California.

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sunshine45 — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:05:29 GMT

it could also be because of the zipper or the zipper pull that is featured on the sweater.

in california you see the prop65 warnings EVERYWHERE.....shops, restaurants, laundry rooms, pools, car washes, gas stations, convenience stores, salons. the signs are all over the place.

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Plaid Pants2 — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 16:23:02 GMT

That's why I have to laugh when people freak out when they get a Prop. 65 notice in their QVC package. In California, you can't go five feet without seeing one of those signs. I barely even notice them anymore.

Re: A Question For California Posters

sunshine45 — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 17:19:36 GMT

On 3/21/2015 Plaid Pants said: That's why I have to laugh when people freak out when they get a Prop. 65 notice in their QVC package. In California, you can't go five feet without seeing one of those signs. I barely even notice them anymore.

plaid pants, exactly......it is now overkill!

when i am there and i want to buy something online that wont ship to california then i have it shipped to maryland so that i can just take them back with me.

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SusieQ_2 — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 17:32:37 GMT

I guess it's good I never wanted to order one. Some are pretty, but so heavy they could be used as a winter coat here.

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SuiGeneris — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 18:15:53 GMT

I hope this isn't "off topic," but I saw a news story on my local news about several inexpensive wines being sold in the U.S. with "illegal and dangerously high levels of poisonous arsenic, according to a class-action lawsuit filed March 19 in California Superior Court." [quoted section from article in LAWeekly -- http://www.laweekly.com/restaurants/hold-the-franzia-and-two-buck-chuck-your-cheap-wine-may-be-filled-with-arsenic-5444149]

However, the doctor who analyzed the results compared the ppb (parts per billion) of arsenic in the wine to acceptable ppb in our drinking water. He said he believed [in comparison] that the arsenic levels in the wine should be considered "safe" levels of arsenic; he stated that one would have to drink 20,000 glasses of wine to reach arsenic toxicity.

[For reference purposes: 10 ppb of arsenic in drinking water is considered safe; the wine tested contained up to 50 parts per billion.]

I thought this was interesting in light of this discussion about California's Prop 65.

Re: A Question For California Posters

SuiGeneris — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 18:24:35 GMT

Also of interest [to me ], I found another article about the manufacture of wool items:

http://organicclothing.blogs.com/my_weblog/2005/11/wool_facts_behi.html

Conventional Wool Fabric Manufacturing

As with cotton, the health dangers to the environment and the consumer are only compounded with the conventional production of fabrics and garments from conventionally grown wool. The conventional wool garment manufacturing process typically employs harsh scouring agents and bleaches to clean and whiten the wool, formaldehyde, polyester, foams, dioxins, conditioners, moth-proofing, harsh chemical dyes, and other, often toxic, additives to finish the fabric and garments. Chemical dyes frequently include toxic heavy metals such as chrome, copper and zinc, and sometimes contain known or suspected carcinogens.

For the chemically sensitive and chemically concerned consumer, beware of garments manufactured with new fabric technologies that boast of creating “smart wools” that will not shrink and have high performance capabilities. Many of these “unique and innovative properties” are achieved through a combination of chemicals and manufacturing processes which change the structure of the wool fibers and utilize the latest fabric technologies for processes such as silver backwashing and continuous chlorine oxidization shrink resist systems. The chemically sensitive should be cautious with new wool fiber technologies such as Sportwool™, Woolscience™, Sensory Perception Technology™ and Arcana™.

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shoekitty — Sat, 21 Mar 2015 20:38:48 GMT

On 3/21/2015 SuiGeneris said:
Also of interest [to me ], I found another article about the manufacture of wool items:

http://organicclothing.blogs.com/my_weblog/2005/11/wool_facts_behi.html

Conventional Wool Fabric Manufacturing

As with cotton, the health dangers to the environment and the consumer are only compounded with the conventional production of fabrics and garments from conventionally grown wool. The conventional wool garment manufacturing process typically employs harsh scouring agents and bleaches to clean and whiten the wool, formaldehyde, polyester, foams, dioxins, conditioners, moth-proofing, harsh chemical dyes, and other, often toxic, additives to finish the fabric and garments. Chemical dyes frequently include toxic heavy metals such as chrome, copper and zinc, and sometimes contain known or suspected carcinogens.

For the chemically sensitive and chemically concerned consumer, beware of garments manufactured with new fabric technologies that boast of creating “smart wools” that will not shrink and have high performance capabilities. Many of these “unique and innovative properties” are achieved through a combination of chemicals and manufacturing processes which change the structure of the wool fibers and utilize the latest fabric technologies for processes such as silver backwashing and continuous chlorine oxidization shrink resist systems. The chemically sensitive should be cautious with new wool fiber technologies such as Sportwool™, Woolscience™, Sensory Perception Technology™ and Arcana™.

Thanks. This what I was talking about in my previous post. There are processes that use toxic chemicals that leave residue on finished garment. This with the dye may be the reason CA does not allow the QVC irish sweaters sent to California