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15 minutes of fame

LilacTree — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:15:36 GMT

Probably wants a law enacted in her name.

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Dam Yankee — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:20:38 GMT

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JJsMom — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:24:03 GMT

Is this about Brittany Maynard, the woman who has terminal brain cancer and is spreading awareness about Death with Dignity laws?

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tansy — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:31:43 GMT

No, JJsMom. I think we're back to the Ebola nurse Christie released to Maine. :/

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kittymomNC — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:40:37 GMT

On 10/29/2014 tansy said: No, JJsMom. I think we're back to the Ebola nurse Christie released to Maine. :/

If that's what this is about, which is what I first thought, I wonder if it hasn't already been beaten to death....

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JJsMom — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:44:01 GMT

Thanks, tansy.

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hyacinth003 — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:48:10 GMT

IF this is about Miss Ebola Nurse, the governor of Maine has said she WILL stay under quarantine.

2 State Police cars will be stationed in front and back of the house she is staying in to enforce the quarantine.

I don't think this is a "civil rights" issue. I believe the government has broad power for public health to enforce this quarantine.

Hyacinth

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kittymomNC — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:59:50 GMT

I have one comment. If people under this "voluntary" quarantine KNOW that if they don't stay in their home for the required 21 days, they will be forced to do it, then in my opinion, that makes this an "involuntary, mandatory" quarantine from the get go.

You can't say something is voluntary, but at the same time say if you don't volunteer to do it, then we will force you to do it. That makes no sense at all. They might as well be up front about it and truthful about it, and SAY, we will make you do it whether you want to or not. This is a MANDATORY quarantine, any way you look at it. There's nothing "voluntary" about it.

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straykatz — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:59:52 GMT

Look around the internet at the comments being made where ever her story appears you'll see she doesn't have a lot of supporters on this.

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straykatz — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:01:10 GMT

On 10/29/2014 kittymomNC said:
I have one comment. If people under this "voluntary" quarantine KNOW that if they don't stay in their home for the required 21 days, they will be forced to do it, then in my opinion, that makes this an "involuntary, mandatory" quarantine from the get go.

You can't say something is voluntary, but at the same time say if you don't volunteer to do it, then we will force you to do it. That makes no sense at all. They might as well be up front about it and truthful about it, and SAY, we will make you do it whether you want to or not. This is a MANDATORY quarantine, any way you look at it.

A mandatory quarantine would be a lock up somewhere. JMO

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Dam Yankee — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:02:38 GMT

On 10/29/2014 kittymomNC said:
I have one comment. If people under this "voluntary" quarantine KNOW that if they don't stay in their home for the required 21 days, they will be forced to do it, then in my opinion, that makes this an "involuntary, mandatory" quarantine from the get go.

You can't say something is voluntary, but at the same time say if you don't volunteer to do it, then we will force you to do it. That makes no sense at all. They might as well be up front about it and truthful about it, and SAY, we will make you do it whether you want to or not. This is a MANDATORY quarantine, any way you look at it. There's nothing "voluntary" about it.

I'll agree with you 100% on that. I've been scratching my head on that one since Nancy Snyderman. It makes no sense to me, either.

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hyacinth003 — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:04:24 GMT

On 10/29/2014 straykatz said:
On 10/29/2014 kittymomNC said:
I have one comment. If people under this "voluntary" quarantine KNOW that if they don't stay in their home for the required 21 days, they will be forced to do it, then in my opinion, that makes this an "involuntary, mandatory" quarantine from the get go.

You can't say something is voluntary, but at the same time say if you don't volunteer to do it, then we will force you to do it. That makes no sense at all. They might as well be up front about it and truthful about it, and SAY, we will make you do it whether you want to or not. This is a MANDATORY quarantine, any way you look at it.

A mandatory quarantine would be a lock up somewhere. JMO

Even a mandatory quarantine could be at home.

As long as you don't leave, you are obeying the quarantine.

You don't HAVE to be somewhere else.

Hyacinth

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adelle38 — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:09:37 GMT

On 10/29/2014 straykatz said:
Look around the internet at the comments being made where ever her story appears you'll see she doesn't have a lot of supporters on this.

If she doesn't have support on the internet, she must be wrong. Just ignore the entire medical community that says these quarantines are harmful.

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kittymomNC — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:09:53 GMT

On 10/29/2014 straykatz said:
On 10/29/2014 kittymomNC said:
I have one comment. If people under this "voluntary" quarantine KNOW that if they don't stay in their home for the required 21 days, they will be forced to do it, then in my opinion, that makes this an "involuntary, mandatory" quarantine from the get go.

You can't say something is voluntary, but at the same time say if you don't volunteer to do it, then we will force you to do it. That makes no sense at all. They might as well be up front about it and truthful about it, and SAY, we will make you do it whether you want to or not. This is a MANDATORY quarantine, any way you look at it.

A mandatory quarantine would be a lock up somewhere. JMO

Not necessarily. There are people being held in their homes and apartments in the state of Connecticut with armed police officers outside their doors. These are people who were in West Africa but had no contact whatever with anyone who was infected with Ebola. One was interviewed night before last, and he was in Liberia helping to set up a computer-based contact tracking system, nowhere near anyone infected.

And it is still a mandatory quarantine... if they want to be devious about it and call it voluntary, they can do it, but anyone can see the deception. Why not just call it what it is?

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straykatz — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:13:31 GMT

On 10/29/2014 kittymomNC said:
On 10/29/2014 straykatz said:
On 10/29/2014 kittymomNC said:
I have one comment. If people under this "voluntary" quarantine KNOW that if they don't stay in their home for the required 21 days, they will be forced to do it, then in my opinion, that makes this an "involuntary, mandatory" quarantine from the get go.

You can't say something is voluntary, but at the same time say if you don't volunteer to do it, then we will force you to do it. That makes no sense at all. They might as well be up front about it and truthful about it, and SAY, we will make you do it whether you want to or not. This is a MANDATORY quarantine, any way you look at it.

A mandatory quarantine would be a lock up somewhere. JMO

Not necessarily. There are people being held in their homes and apartments in the state of Connecticut with armed police officers outside their doors. These are people who were in West Africa but had no contact whatever with anyone who was infected with Ebola. One was interviewed night before last, and he was in Liberia helping to set up a computer-based contact tracking system, nowhere near anyone infected.

And it is still a mandatory quarantine... if they want to be devious about it and call it voluntary, they can do it, but anyone can see the deception. Why not just call it what it is?

Kind of like the INS "voluntary" deportation too yet they cuff the person being deported while they armed escort them on board the plane or whatever mode of transport is used.

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GrettaGarbled — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:14:48 GMT

Notice the official from Maine who was speaking could not answer the question about what significant risk Ms. Hickox poses to the public?

This will go to court and it needs to.

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Dam Yankee — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:16:04 GMT

On 10/29/2014 adelle38 said:
If she doesn't have support on the internet, she must be wrong. Just ignore the entire medical community that says these quarantines are harmful.

She's wrong because the 10th amendment guarantees states' rights. Each state has the right to quarantine, or not, however it sees fit.

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focksie — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:17:22 GMT

We think alike Ford. That was exactly my thought right after I saw her interview. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she intentionally gets herself arrested just for the martyrdom. I can just picture her being led away with that sh*t-eating grin on her face.

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Buck-i-Nana — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:22:46 GMT

On 10/29/2014 adelle38 said:
On 10/29/2014 straykatz said:
Look around the internet at the comments being made where ever her story appears you'll see she doesn't have a lot of supporters on this.

If she doesn't have support on the internet, she must be wrong. Just ignore the entire medical community that says these quarantines are harmful.

Gotta tell you, I'm seeing quite a few folks in a new, very different and not very flattering light. If the Gov of Maine puts 2 armed state police outside her home, I'm looking forward to the lawsuit and will even gladly send some money to a fund to help pay for her lawyer.

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Buck-i-Nana — Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:24:06 GMT

On 10/29/2014 Dam Yankee said:
On 10/29/2014 adelle38 said:
If she doesn't have support on the internet, she must be wrong. Just ignore the entire medical community that says these quarantines are harmful.

She's wrong because the 10th amendment guarantees states' rights. Each state has the right to quarantine, or not, however it sees fit.

Guaranteeing states rights does not give states the right to violate the God given rights talked about in the Constitution no matter how many people on the internet think she's wrong.