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This Makes ME Crazy

QueenDanceALot — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 20:06:35 GMT

Employers who list a position as an ENTRY LEVEL position after listing numerous experience requirements.

Essentially they are saying, "We want you to have extensive experience in all of these areas but we are going to pay you squat".

Oh, and no benefits!

WT you know what?

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ive been framed — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 20:15:23 GMT

Yup. Happened to my DH.

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straykatz — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 20:15:50 GMT

The most entry level position in our office would be the receptionist position and I can assure you we would not hire anyone with zero experience.

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QueenDanceALot — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 20:19:06 GMT

This particular job would require someone who has been in this business for years and has had extensive experience in many aspects of it.

No entry level person would have a clue.

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QueenDanceALot — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 20:20:46 GMT

I had an experience recently with another outfit that wanted the same thing.

They were horrified that I expected to be paid more than a kid right out of school when I've been in this business for over 20 years.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Thanks for letting me vent.

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QueenDanceALot — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 20:21:40 GMT

I think it's really time for me to concentrate on my other employment.

SELF employment.

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maryebrown_1 — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 21:19:44 GMT

Most of the employers in the healthcare field, in my area, are paying what they did 10 years ago...while expecting the new employee to be a 'team player' (who must be able to do everyone else's job in the office) and also must be a "multitasker" (handle 3 things at the same time, without being distracted). The other long time employees just do the ONE thing that they were hired to do, while the newbie is underpaid, overworked, and shafted. It makes for a hostile work environment (for the newly hired) and the Employer simply doesn't care if he has to find a "new employee" to fill the position(s) every 90 days.The mentality of Revolving Door Employment (also known as "at will employment" in my State) has, unfortunately, become "the new normal"...

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tansy — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 21:22:51 GMT

Do you have a side business going on now, KLW...she asks hopefully??

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QueenDanceALot — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 21:50:49 GMT

On 9/5/2014 tansy said: Do you have a side business going on now, KLW...she asks hopefully??

Fitness training.

But it's not enough to pay the mortgage!

And clients come and go and you never know what you're going to bring in.

I have to come up with a PLAN.

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151949 — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 21:53:15 GMT

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151949 — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 21:55:34 GMT

On 9/5/2014 maryebrown said:
Most of the employers in the healthcare field, in my area, are paying what they did 10 years ago...while expecting the new employee to be a 'team player' (who must be able to do everyone else's job in the office) and also must be a "multitasker" (handle 3 things at the same time, without being distracted). The other long time employees just do the ONE thing that they were hired to do, while the newbie is underpaid, overworked, and shafted. It makes for a hostile work environment (for the newly hired) and the Employer simply doesn't care if he has to find a "new employee" to fill the position(s) every 90 days.The mentality of Revolving Door Employment (also known as "at will employment" in my State) has, unfortunately, become "the new normal"...

What kind of "healthcare" environment are you talking about? I have many friends who are still working and are doing very well in this economy - their experience and skills are treasured by their employer and by the physicians they work with.

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sidsmom — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 22:15:13 GMT

Amazing how a writer can spin it. In apartment talk, "cozy" =small....in recruiting, "entry" = 'pay you squat' !!

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tansy — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 22:33:59 GMT

On 9/5/2014 KittyLouWhoToo said:
On 9/5/2014 tansy said: Do you have a side business going on now, KLW...she asks hopefully??

Fitness training.

But it's not enough to pay the mortgage!

And clients come and go and you never know what you're going to bring in.

I have to come up with a PLAN.

I'm rooting for you

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gardensla — Fri, 05 Sep 2014 22:39:20 GMT

I have a job but am always interested in the marketplace for my skills. I did two interviews this week after answering ads that asked for the moon. 7-10 years minimum of very specific experience, deep management experience, cross function experience across multiple platforms and a laundry list of technical skills.

Like you during each interview I was told each job was actually not upper management but middle, despite the crazy job description. When they asked how much I currently make each said they couldn't even come close to meeting that salary.

I understand that they're looking to pay as little as possible for the most experienced employees, but what made them think I'd take, in one case, a 30K salary reduction for the honor of working for them?

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irishmama5 — Sat, 06 Sep 2014 01:03:37 GMT

I am in Healthcare making the same salary I did 7 years ago. So are all my co-workers.

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Cakers1 — Sat, 06 Sep 2014 01:06:19 GMT

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151949 — Sat, 06 Sep 2014 05:20:40 GMT

When people say they are "in the healthcare field" what does that mean? Are you working at the professional level? or are you a tech? For instance -- a pharmacy tech is not going to make the money or advance in their job as a pharmacist would. A CNA is not going to make the money or advance in their job as an RN would, same in almost every department. So - I find statements like "i work in the healthcare field" to be pretty misleading. You can be a typist who transcribes dictation in medical records and , technically, you work "in the healthcare field" - though there is not a lot of room for advancement in that area, past becoming the department manager when the one who is already there leaves. Whereas professional staff always can be upwardly mobile if they work on it.

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esmerelda — Sat, 06 Sep 2014 16:15:45 GMT

On 9/5/2014 KittyLouWhoToo said:
On 9/5/2014 tansy said: Do you have a side business going on now, KLW...she asks hopefully??

Fitness training.

But it's not enough to pay the mortgage!

And clients come and go and you never know what you're going to bring in.

I have to come up with a PLAN.

Plan to be a better trainer.

Unless your area is saturated with trainers or your services aren't needed in your area, there's no reason you can't stay busy. If there ARE a lot of trainers in your area, you need to get a rep for being the best.

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QueenDanceALot — Sat, 06 Sep 2014 18:48:07 GMT

On 9/5/2014 tansy said:
On 9/5/2014 KittyLouWhoToo said:
On 9/5/2014 tansy said: Do you have a side business going on now, KLW...she asks hopefully??

Fitness training.

But it's not enough to pay the mortgage!

And clients come and go and you never know what you're going to bring in.

I have to come up with a PLAN.

I'm rooting for you

Thanks, tansy!

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QueenDanceALot — Sat, 06 Sep 2014 18:55:31 GMT

On 9/5/2014 gardensla said:
I have a job but am always interested in the marketplace for my skills. I did two interviews this week after answering ads that asked for the moon. 7-10 years minimum of very specific experience, deep management experience, cross function experience across multiple platforms and a laundry list of technical skills.

Like you during each interview I was told each job was actually not upper management but middle, despite the crazy job description. When they asked how much I currently make each said they couldn't even come close to meeting that salary.

I understand that they're looking to pay as little as possible for the most experienced employees, but what made them think I'd take, in one case, a 30K salary reduction for the honor of working for them?

I hear ya!

I'm also working but we had a 20% salary cut last year on top of no pay raises for the past 8 years. The business may be on it's last legs - I'm not sure how long the owner wants to keep going. I went on one interview where, like you, they wanted lots of experience in many areas and seemed impressed with my credentials but when they asked my salary requirements they said the same, oh, no we can't even come close to that. And I think they thought I would just LOVE to come work in their beautiful surroundings for lousy compensation. Well, no, I don't have someone else supporting me so that I can just accept a lovely physical environment. Nevermind the fact that I've worked hard in this field and came up from the bottom.