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LoriLori -- This One's For You

Honeybit — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 01:34:03 GMT

Since you started me thinking about other things I'd recommend, and since you said you read a wide range, I had a good nostalgic wallow and thought I'd put some things here. Some of these I've mentioned before on Book Club, and some not. Here's hoping you'll see something that's new to you that you might like to sample. (I don't know how this board handles a long post, so I may cut it into "replies". We shall see.)

Historical

The most literate author I’ve ever read, and my all-time “most favorite read” is the late Dorothy Dunnett. She writes highly complex, utterly fascinating, intelligent characters and plots -- immensely satisfying to read, but neither light nor simple. I’ve never run across anyone else who writes anything remotely similar to Dunnett.)

The Lymond Chronicles (main character Francis Crawford, Master of Lymond)

(Begins in Edinburgh in 1547 and ranges from Scotland and England to France, Malta, Turkey, and the Russia of Ivan the Terrible)

01 Game of Kings

02 Queen's Play

03 Disorderly Knights

04 Pawn in Frankincense

05 Ringed Castle

06 Checkmate

Dorothy Dunnett -- King Hereafter (a stand-alone book, not part of a series)

(Set in 11th century Britain as the Viking era gave way to the Christian. Thorfinn of the Orkneys takes the Christian name of Macbeth in Scotland. Like her other books, filled with politics, religion, and history of the times as well as amazing characters.)

Dorothy Dunnett - The House of Niccolo series (kind of a prequel to The Lymond Chronicles, but written after she completed the Lymond series)

(Begins in 1459 in the Duchy of Burgundy and the Italian States)

01 Niccolo Rising

02 Spring of the Ram

03 Race of Scorpions

04 Scales of Gold

05 Unicorn Hunt

06 To Lie with Lions

07 Caprice and Rondo

08 Gemini

Dorothy Dunnett also wrote a series of mysteries featuring the portrait painter Johnson Johnson who is a British Secret Service agent. The books had different titles in the United States like “Murder in the Round” but in Britain they all (except the last one) had “Dolly” in the title -- which is the name of Johnson Johnson’s yacht. The “Bird” in each case is a woman who is the viewpoint character. There’s no just accounting for the title of the last one except a fit of insanity in the publishing house.

Dorothy Dunnett - The Dolly Series -- mysteries featuring “Johnson Johnson”

01 Dolly and the Bird Of Paradise

02 Dolly and the Singing Bird

03 Dolly and the Cookie Bird

04 Dolly and the Doctor Bird

05 Dolly and the Starry Bird

06 Dolly and the Nanny Bird

07 Send a Fax to the Kasbah

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Science Fiction - I prefer the “fantasy” end of the spectrum to the “hard science” end of the field. I have enough “reality” to deal with. At one time I read a lot of science fiction mainly because I couldn’t find anything that engaged my brain in mainstream fiction.

J. R. R. Tolkien - Lord of the Rings Trilogy (The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers,

The Return of the King). The Hobbit is a “prequel” to the Trilogy, but is a much lighter book. If all you know are the movie versions with their monsters and battle sequences, you have no idea of the power of the worlds that Tokien built. He started with an interest in languages, and every time I reread the books I am in awe all over again of what he accomplished.

Lois McMaster Bujold -- the Miles Vorkosigan Books.

Another complex and fascinating main character is Miles Vorkosigan. The first book I read by Bujold in 1986 was a three-in-one called Vorkosigan’s Game put out by the science fiction book club. Then I found Shards of Honor and Barrayar which are about Miles’ parents, who are strong, intriguing characters in their own right and worthy of their own series of books. The series has continued, along with other good books by Bujold, who is still writing today. These books are entertaining but not as deep as the others above.

Other Science Fiction writers I enjoy:

Barbara Hambly - Antryg Windrose Series (Silent Tower, Silicon Mage, Dog Wizard). Antryg is a wizard who encounters the first female computer systems analyst I ever ran across in fiction. Hambly also writes a non-sci-fi series I admire, mentioned below in a later section.

Robin Hobb - Ship of Magic, Mad Ship, Ship of Destiny. Hobb writes other science fiction books, but these three are my favorites. One criteria for well-done books is whether the characters change (for better or for worse) in the course of the story. In these books, ALL of the characters change, even the ships themselves.

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Non-Fiction -- (I’m listing these categories somewhat in the order they’re filed on my bookshelves.)

Edward Abbey - Desert Solitaire -- I stumbled across this book in the gift shop in The Arches National Park in Utah and picked it up because it was about a park ranger who spent a winter alone in the wild country around The Arches before it became a Park. It only took a few pages before I realized this was no “ordinary” nature-trek-camper but instead was a first-class intelligence at work in the book’s pages. He talked about people being afraid of that awe-inspiring country because of its “implacable indifference.”

Dervla Murphy - Eight Feet in the Andes -- Murphy is an Irish travel writer. This was the first book of hers I read, (probably the first she wrote) and it describes a journey she took across the Andes, following the route of the Conquistadores, with only her eight-year-old daughter and a mule. I was stunned that anyone could even contemplate doing such a thing in such remote country all alone, much less with a young child. She has continued to make similar stunning journeys over the years, now with a granddaughter, and although some of her later books express strong political opinions about the areas she chooses (like Through the Embers of Chaos), it’s enlightening to hear political views from a perspective outside the USA.

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Humor

We both mentioned British author Terry Pratchett as the co-author of Good Omens. His books about the Discworld began with Rincewind the Wizard and his Luggage in:

01 The Colour of Magic
02 Light Fantastic
03 Equal Rites
04 Mort
and have evolved over the years into something which isn’t exactly satire or parody but more an alternative look at society, politics, religion (Small Gods) and technology. The same sense of humor (and of the ridiculous) that made Good Omens such a treat runs through all of his books. Guards, Guards, for example, is “in honor of all of those unnamed people who died while rushing to aid in the first reel of the movie. Nobody ever asked them if they wanted to.”

Begin with the first book and work your way through the series. Characters and institutions recur, and soon become eccentric friends you look forward to encountering again -- like Lord Vetinari (“What part of absolute despot did you not understand?”). Note: Pratchett also writes some children’s books and a few others which aren’t part of the Discworld series -- check in the front of recent books for a list of which is what.

P. G. Wodehouse -- another British social-strata humorist. His Jeeves and Wooster books are only the beginning. Not as satirical as Pratchett, Wodehouse delights in his eccentrics and their goofball social situations with the affection you reserve for your own slightly odd relatives. Light-hearted, easy-to-read fun when you want stress relief.

Patrick McManus -- An American writer makes the cut. McManus wrote a series of humorous columns for one of the outdoor magazines, but you don’t have to enjoy either hunting or fishing to laugh out loud at the self-deprecating stories of his adventures, along with his dog Strange, his sister "The Trol!", his mentor and favorite old-man woodsman, Rancid Crabtree, and his lifelong friend Retch Sweeney. The columns are collected in book form, and some of the titles are:

A Fine and Pleasant Misery
Never Sniff a Gift Fish
The Night the Bear Ate Goombaw
Real Ponies Don't Go Oink

In the last few years, McManus had also been writing the Sheriff Bo Tully Mysteries, set in Blight County, Idaho, which have the same type of humor.

01 The Blight Way
02 Avalanche
03 Double-Jack Murders
04 Huckleberry Murders
05 Tamarack Murders
06 Circles in the Snow

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Mysteries

There was a time when I never read “mysteries” because I thought they were all of the “blood and guts” “hard-boiled detective” “shoot first and ask questions later” school of literature. My first exposure to something else was one of the D!ck Francis books with a steeplechase background. My first reaction was similar to my encounter with Edward Abbey -- a former jockey writes with this kind of STYLE? Wow! In all of these listed, it’s the strength of the writing, the depth of the characters, and the power of the setting that keep me reading, not the mysteries as such.

D!ck Francis -- periodically I go back and re-read everyone one of his books just for the pleasure of his writing style. Nobody does understatement better than Francis, and it really doesn’t matter whether you’re a horse lover or whether you care anything about the world of racing.

Barbara Hambly - the Benjamin January Books, beginning with A Free Man of Color. In New Orleans before the Civil War, January is a former slave, trained as a doctor in France, who returns to Louisiana to be near his family after the death of his wife. Again, it’s the characters, the setting, and the immersion in a whole different way of living, more than the mysteries themselves, that make these books so exquisite. (I also mentioned Hambly’s science fiction above. She is an amazingly versatile author.)

Tony Hillerman - the Leaphorn and Chee novels, about the Navajo Tribal Police and the Four Corners country. It’s a glimpse of a way of life I had never encountered. The series begins with The Blessing Way.

Dana Stabenow -- her Kate Shugak mysteries do for life in remote modern Alaska what Hillerman did for Navajo country. Kate Shugak, an Aleut Indian, is a terrific character surrounded by equally vivid supporting characters, including wild Alaska itself. The series begins with A Cold Day for Murder.

Craig Johnson - The Sheriff Walt Longmire Mysteries, a modern-day Western set in Wyoming next to the Cheyenne Indian Reservation. Intelligent characters with a moral center -- rare on both counts! The TV series on A&E does a good job of capturing the flavor of the books without necessarily following the stories.

Martha Grimes is an American author who writes British mysteries about Richard Jury of Scotland Yard. He is an island of normality, totally surrounded by those who are richly quirky, right down to the supporting dogs, cats, and children. Grimes’ book titles are wonderfully strange: The Anodyne Necklace, I Am the Only Running Footman, The Five Bells and Bladebone, The Grave Maurice -- all are the names of pubs. She has written 22 Jury books so far, plus a smaller series about a vivid young girl named Emma Graham (01 End of the Pier, 02 Hotel Paradise, 03 Cold Flat Junction, 04 Belle Ruin, and 05 Fadeaway Girl) who reminds me a lot of Flavia de Luce in Alan Bradley’s books which began with The Sweetness at the Bottom of the Pie.

There are also two books (Biting the Moon and Dakota) set in Santa Fe, where we reconnect with Mary Dark Hope, an intriguing fourteen-year-old girl who has a pet coyote who was in one of the Richard Jury mysteries when he ventured into the US.

The Martha Grimes stories are less rich than the other books mentioned above, but are worthwhile when you’re looking for “something different” that’s still a good read. The characters go on living in your head long after you finish the book.

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Other Characters I’m Fond Of:

Mary Stewart -- her early books of what were known as “Romantic Suspense” have stood the test of time and good reading. The Ivy Tree is still my all-time favorite book about an “assumed identity impersonation.” Her later books weren’t as good, but I still enjoy rereading these early ones:

This Rough Magic, The Moon Spinners, Airs Above The Ground, Wildfire At Midnight, Madam, Will You Talk, My Brother Michael, Nine Coaches Waiting, Thunder On The Right

Also, I’ve always liked retellings of the Arthurian Legend. These are my two favorites:

Mary Stewart -- 01 Crystal Cave, 02 Hollow Hills, 03 Last Enchantment, 04 The Wick'd Day. Her version gave me a whole new concept of Merlin the first time I encountered her books. (There were three words in this post the computer censor objected to -- the first name of author D. Francis and the "W" word here -- don't know why.)

Jack Whyte - Camulod Chronicles -- This version is how the story might really have happened. And I still have vivid impressions of the characters long after my first reading -- one of my own personal tests for my “Classics List” (never mind what might be on the “official” lists!).

01 Skystone
02 Singing Sword
03 Eagles' Brood
04 Saxon Shore
05 Fort At River's Bend
06 Sorcerer: Metamorphosis
07 Uther
08 Lance Thrower
09 Eagle

C. S. Forester -- The Horatio Hornblower Books. I have no particular interest in naval history or sea battles, but I thoroughly enjoyed the books and the intelligence of Horatio Hornblower. I missed associating him when I ran out of books.

Patrick O’Brian’s books are still on my “get around to one of these days” list. I thought the movie version was pretty dreadful, but I still want to see how the characters hold up to Hornblower’s standard.

Unclassifiable, but on my list of “classics” is Stephen Vincent Benet’s “poem-as-novel” John Brown’s Body. Years after my first reading, the wry reactions of the shattered Black Horse Troop still live in my brain. Here’s a sample of the part about the worth of their Confederate currency:

“That you can use for a trouser’s patch
Or lighting a fire, if you’ve got a match,
Or making a bunny a paper collar,
(Or most anything else, except a dollar)

And finally, to finish, the most recent addition to my personal classics list, that I read just this year. It is an altogether charming small book, in spite of its awkward title -- not much on plot but truly wonderful in memorable characters, including the setting and the time, when the whole vast area overseen by one priest in the Southwest was in transition between Mexico and the United States: Willa Cather’s Death Comes for the Archbishop.

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My list runs a lot to a series of books. Given a choice, I'll pick a big fat book over a short one every time because if the author is good, I get to spend a lot of time in that world with those characters. A series gives me a super-long book to enjoy.

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Enough already -- probably w-a-y MORE than enough!

Re: LoriLori -- This One's For You

Honeybit — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 01:37:02 GMT

I have no idea why part of the above post came out in small print. It was all in the same file. I don't think I'll risk trying to edit it tonight!

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Judaline — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 13:16:50 GMT

Wow, I'm sure lori is going to appreciate this. I jotted down a few titles. You must be one 'well read' lady.

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LoriLori — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:06:35 GMT

Wow is right! What a treasure trove of titles. Thank you so much and I hope lots of other people get great recommendations from this. I'm so grateful that you did this, HoneyBit, thank you so.

Because of you and Smoky I've already got the first Discworld and all the witches series (The Colour of Magic, Equal Rites, Wyrd Sisters, and Witches Abroad) in my cart at Amazon. Thank you both. I think I'll buy the first two today, to be sure I enjoy them. I know there are many more after that if I do.

Wikipedia has the entire Discworld series broken out by storyline so I was able to isolate the witches ones, which interest me the most, as they're said to have many references to Shakespeare and I am a great lover of Shakespeare. Just the names of the witches are funny. They look funny and creative and entertaining.

I love Desert Solitaire by Edward Abbey. And his other books too. His writing about the environment and the beauty of our country are wonderful, and I love his sly sense of humor. To me he's like a mashup of Mark Twain and Thoreau.

Jeeves and Wooster, I saw these books for the first time recently and thought they looked kind of corny. I was going to post asking people who have read them to tell me about them. And now you've recommended them. Is the humor very dated? Are they at all corny? Please, replies from you and everyone else who has something to say.

I've read every Mary Stewart in the Arthurian series and loved them all, and I've read most of Tony Hillerman but that series started to seem repetitive to me so I stopped.

Other than that the Tolkien books are the only ones I've read.

So there is an absolute treasure trove of recommendations here, and I thank you again, and hope others find great books as well.

Love having the thread here and the book thread as well. It's so much better than the scrawled notes I have everywhere with recommendations! (One was recently discovered in a kitchen drawer, LOL.)

Lori

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LoriLori — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 16:30:04 GMT

HoneyBit, in the July thread I listed titles of books I had sent to my aunt who was recently widowed. I've copied the titles here. Just some books I love. No sci-fi; it's not a genre I've read much of but I will tuck into Terry Pratchett

"Three Wishes" by Liane Moriarity

Montana 1948 and the sequel Justice by Larry Watson

Case Histories by Kate Atkinson (Jackson Brody #1)

A Yellow Raft in Blue Water by the late Michael Dorris

The Bird Artist by Howard Norman

Patty Jane's House of Curl by Lorna Landvik

Daisy Fae and the Miracle Man by Fannie Flagg (funniest book I've ever read)

Remember Me by Laurie Hendrie

The Sweet Hereafter by Russell Banks

The Elegance of the Hedgehog by Muriel Barbery

The Cuckoo's Calling by JK Rowling

Here are some more recs I have and hope you and others find some gold here:

The Creators by Daniel Boorstin, a nonfiction history of art and music and other creative endeavors. He's a terrific writer. He's written other books people love. This is stuffed with amazing facts.

Man's Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl, very serious and thoughtful nonfiction by someone who was in a concentration camp.

M.C. Beaton's series Agatha Raisins and Hamish McBeths. Cozies. Super well written. Thanks again, Smokymtngal, for these!

Foreign Faction by A. James Kolar, remarkable nonfiction book about the JonBenet Ramsey case.

We Need to Talk About Kevin by Lionel Shriver (nothing like the movie, which I thought was awful), a novel about motherhood and school violence and so much more.

Being There by Jerzy Kosinski, a classic satirical novel, quirky and funny and wise.

Thanks again, HoneyBit,

Lori (Please call me Lori. I doubled it because of course my name of course wasn't available and I couldn't think of a more clever name!)

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Honeybit — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 20:57:25 GMT

Lori, I’m glad you enjoyed the list. As for Wodehouse, I enjoy the British sense of humor (most of the time), and I enjoy living in his world for some of the same reasons I enjoy Frances Parkinson Keyes’ novels of New Orleans, Virginia Rich’s Eugenia Potter mysteries, and Elizabeth Goudge’s novels about Dameroshay (01 Bird in the Tree, 02 Pilgrim’s Inn, and 03 Heart of the Family) -- it’s generally a kinder, gentler time where the concept of charm and manners and honor mattered. In Wodehouse’s case, it’s also a whole lot funnier time. Of course, that’s not to say that you or any other reader won’t find them both dated and corny. Here’s a random sample of dialog to help you decide if his books are your cuppa. It happens to be from a story called Monkey Business:
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Andwhat of Rosalie, meanwhile? Rosalie was standing beside the bereaved mother, using all her powers of cajolery to try to persuade Captain Jack Fosdyke to go to the rescue, and the Captain was pleading technical difficulties that stood in the way.

“Dash my buttons,” he said, “if only I had my elephant gun and my trusty native bearer, ‘Mlongi, here, I’d pretty soon know what to do about it. As it is, I’m handicapped.”

“But you told me yesterday that you had often strangled gorillas with your bare hands.”

“Not gor-illas, dear lady -- por-illas. A species of South American wombat, and very good eating they make, too.’

“You’re afraid!”

“Afraid? Jack Fosdyke afraid? How they would laugh on the Lower Zambesi if they could hear you say that.”

“You are! You, who advised me to have nothing to do with the man I love because he was of a mild and diffident nature.” ....

..... “Precisely. Well, you know as well as I do, my dear old chap, what an angry woman can do with an umbrella.”

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Good old Wodehouse -- his female characters generally come off as finer, braver, and altogether brighter than their male counterparts. Even the average Pekingese sometimes do. I’ll be curious to see what some of the other brave readers of this thread think about his books. Cheers!

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LoriLori — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 21:39:36 GMT

HoneyBit, thank you so much for typing out that dialogue. It's not my cuppa, and you've saved me time and money.

You are so well read!

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Judaline — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 22:57:51 GMT

I of course read many of the Mary Stewart novels. Nine Coaches Waiting and This Rough Magic being my favorites. I remember a character, Barbarella and it being very spooky. She was an unlikely suspect. I also remember reading all the Frank Yerby books at the time. Wow, talk about your dashing heroes. And the Helen MacInnes books were good, and Taylor Caldwell's Testimony of Two Men. These are all running together in my head, all wonderful books.

Your Patrick McManus sounds like a nice change of pace. Will seek him out at the next library visit. The author of The Orphan Train will be at our library next week, not that I'm going, but I was surprised.

Catherine Cookson is still my favorite author. Loved her books-could easily read them all again.

'nuff said.

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Honeybit — Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:22:11 GMT

Judaline, You mentioned Helen MacInnes -- those books were also a favorite of mine. Did you ever read Alastair MacLean? He's still one of the best in suspense for me.

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Judaline — Wed, 13 Aug 2014 01:47:08 GMT

honey, no I haven't, but I saw all the movies. I think I'll try a book now, thanks. I love WWll books and movies.