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California Gals..... A Question

MomOf4 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:36:03 GMT

What do you think of the idea of splitting California into 6 separate States? It looks like enough signatures have been collected to possibly put it on the 2016 Statewide Ballot.

I'm not sure if we (Orange County) would be in West California or South California.

Personally I would be against it. What do you think?

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/themargin/2014/07/16/plan-to-cut-up-california-into-six-states-moves-toward-vote/

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151949 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:38:50 GMT

What would be the reason for doing so? What would it solve? I think the federal government would have to vote on this as it would make a huge difference in congress and the senate to have 5 more states.

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halfpint1 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:38:57 GMT

I live in the San Gabriel Valley. It will never happen. Or even north and south California.

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MomOf4 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:53:37 GMT

On 7/18/2014 happy housewife said:
What would be the reason for doing so? What would it solve? I think the federal government would have to vote on this as it would make a huge difference in congress and the senate to have 5 more states.

You're right about the Federal Government having to vote on it. I don't understand the point either but the idea seems to be gathering steam in some parts of Calif.

Apparently, if by some miracle it went through, Calif. would have the poorest and the richest states in the country.

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tansy — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 18:56:10 GMT

I used to be a California girl. I think the motive is to gerrymander the state so to speak -- political. I don't see six separate states happening.

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NoelSeven — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:01:13 GMT

Hi Mom

The idea of splitting CA comes up every decade or so, it used to be because of cultural differences.

First, know that people will sign almost any request to put something on the ballot, it doesn't mean they would ever vote for it. They had an expose on that the other night, here on local news. People didn't even understand what was being proposed, but agreed to get it on the ballot.

The guy behind it is a big techie, and he wants the Bay Area to be called the state of "Silicon Valley." Can you even imagine San Franciscans voting for that?

It's not gonna happen, I'd bet on it.

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hennypenny — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:13:48 GMT

Totally against it. The whole idea serves a few. The guy behind it is a nut case. Easy to get signatures now with computers etc. It won't fly.

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MomOf4 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:14:26 GMT

On 7/18/2014 NoelSeven said:
Hi Mom

The idea of splitting CA comes up every decade or so, it used to be because of cultural differences.

First, know that people will sign almost any request to put something on the ballot, it doesn't mean they would ever vote for it. They had an expose on that the other night, here on local news. People didn't even understand what was being proposed, but agreed to get it on the ballot.

The guy behind it is a big techie, and he wants the Bay Area to be called the state of "Silicon Valley." Can you even imagine San Franciscans voting for that?

It's not gonna happen, I'd bet on it.

Hey Noel, your post explains it (the petitioning) perfectly. I have heard of it being proposed in the past. It sounds really ridiculous.

I also think tansy might be right about gerrymandering. So you would live in the state of Silicone Valley and I would live in West or South California!

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Puzzle Piece — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:19:49 GMT

I am against it. It's obvious GERRYMANDERING.

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151949 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:20:53 GMT

On 7/18/2014 MomOf4 said:
On 7/18/2014 happy housewife said:
What would be the reason for doing so? What would it solve? I think the federal government would have to vote on this as it would make a huge difference in congress and the senate to have 5 more states.

You're right about the Federal Government having to vote on it. I don't understand the point either but the idea seems to be gathering steam in some parts of Calif.

Apparently, if by some miracle it went through, Calif. would have the poorest and the richest states in the country.

I am sure some of the areas where the wealthy live don't want to be tethered to those poor areas. poor little rich boys are afraid they may have to give something to a poor person, boo hoo.

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NoelSeven — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:25:37 GMT

On 7/18/2014 MomOf4 said:
On 7/18/2014 NoelSeven said:
Hi Mom

The idea of splitting CA comes up every decade or so, it used to be because of cultural differences.

First, know that people will sign almost any request to put something on the ballot, it doesn't mean they would ever vote for it. They had an expose on that the other night, here on local news. People didn't even understand what was being proposed, but agreed to get it on the ballot.

The guy behind it is a big techie, and he wants the Bay Area to be called the state of "Silicon Valley." Can you even imagine San Franciscans voting for that?

It's not gonna happen, I'd bet on it.

Hey Noel, your post explains it (the petitioning) perfectly. I have heard of it being proposed in the past. It sounds really ridiculous.

I also think tansy might be right about gerrymandering. So you would live in the state of Silicone Valley and I would live in West or South California!

The law by petition is called Direct Democracy, I don't think all states have it. It can be overthrown by the courts, though, as we saw with Prop 8.

I don't think we know why this guy wants 6 states, I'm guessing it's about money. CA is already the 8th leading economy IN THE WORD, and most of that might get concentrated in the state of Silicon Valley, LOL.

It is about money, usually. The state GOP tried to Gerrymander a part of SoCal a couple of years ago, where the oil producing area would all be in one congressional district. As if people wouldn't notice. It didn't happen.

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kdgn — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:38:35 GMT

It's not the dumbest thing I've heard but it's running a close second.

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MomOf4 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:42:07 GMT

On 7/18/2014 NoelSeven said:
On 7/18/2014 MomOf4 said:
On 7/18/2014 NoelSeven said:
Hi Mom

The idea of splitting CA comes up every decade or so, it used to be because of cultural differences.

First, know that people will sign almost any request to put something on the ballot, it doesn't mean they would ever vote for it. They had an expose on that the other night, here on local news. People didn't even understand what was being proposed, but agreed to get it on the ballot.

The guy behind it is a big techie, and he wants the Bay Area to be called the state of "Silicon Valley." Can you even imagine San Franciscans voting for that?

It's not gonna happen, I'd bet on it.

Hey Noel, your post explains it (the petitioning) perfectly. I have heard of it being proposed in the past. It sounds really ridiculous.

I also think tansy might be right about gerrymandering. So you would live in the state of Silicone Valley and I would live in West or South California!

The law by petition is called Direct Democracy, I don't think all states have it. It can be overthrown by the courts, though, as we saw with Prop 8.

I don't think we know why this guy wants 6 states, I'm guessing it's about money. CA is already the 8th leading economy IN THE WORD, and most of that might get concentrated in the state of Silicon Valley, LOL.

It is about money, usually. The state GOP tried to Gerrymander a part of SoCal a couple of years ago, where the oil producing area would all be in one congressional district. As if people wouldn't notice. It didn't happen.

You know, I had forgotten about the attempt a few years ago but you're right. I bet the guy is counting on people either not noticing or caring what would actually happen. I think he does live in Silicone Valley. Figures, huh?

Yep, it's ALWAYS about the money

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terrier3 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:43:32 GMT

They propose the same thing in NY. Upstate wants to separate from the NYC area.

They actually wanted Crazy Carl Paladino to be the new leader (and put it on a petition that was going no where fast).

The yokels up here forget that the money is downstate...THEY subsidize us!

They are all furious about the SAFE Act...some guys on the radio actually want an armed rebellion like the Founding Fathers.

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~moxie~ — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:45:33 GMT

No one I know would vote for it only the imbeciles would and they don't vote.

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MomOf4 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:50:17 GMT

On 7/18/2014 terrier3 said:
They propose the same thing in NY. Upstate wants to separate from the NYC area.

They actually wanted Crazy Carl Paladino to be the new leader (and put it on a petition that was going no where fast).

The yokels up here forget that the money is downstate...THEY subsidize us!

They are all furious about the SAFE Act...some guys on the radio actually want an armed rebellion like the Founding Fathers.

Wow Terrier, that really is off the deep end. Can't imagine anyone would think that would fly either here or there!!

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terrier3 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:53:35 GMT

On 7/18/2014 ~moxie~ said: No one I know would vote for it only the imbeciles would and they don't vote.

Moxie - A lot of the time the fools DO decide...that's the problem.

BTW - I ate off your Moxie platter last night - sausage with peppers and onions, and I thought of you!

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terrier3 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 19:56:58 GMT

On 7/18/2014 MomOf4 said:
On 7/18/2014 terrier3 said:
They propose the same thing in NY. Upstate wants to separate from the NYC area.

They actually wanted Crazy Carl Paladino to be the new leader (and put it on a petition that was going no where fast).

The yokels up here forget that the money is downstate...THEY subsidize us!

They are all furious about the SAFE Act...some guys on the radio actually want an armed rebellion like the Founding Fathers.

Wow Terrier, that really is off the deep end. Can't imagine anyone would think that would fly either here or there!!

I posted about the nutty guy on the radio before. On the day before the 4th of July, he talked about armed rebellion being the only way to go and suggested everybody get prepared "locked and loaded".

He is the guy who was put in a mental hospital for observation because he thought that the guv had him followed...and had agents dressed as trees in his backyard taping his every movement. He was carrying a gun and walking in the snow barefoot when they took him away in an ambulance.

Now he's back...and nuttier than ever.

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Feline Fine — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 20:13:32 GMT

This sounds something like when Staten Island wanted to secede from the five boroughs of Manhattan.

Yeah, uh, good luck with that, techie dude.

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ennui1 — Fri, 18 Jul 2014 20:23:35 GMT

On 7/18/2014 happy housewife said:
What would be the reason for doing so? What would it solve? I think the federal government would have to vote on this as it would make a huge difference in congress and the senate to have 5 more states.

Ooohhh, when I think about this, I kind of like it. California would have 12 senators, instead of the two idiots we have now.

The guy has a point; CA is huge and diverse, and one state government struggles to serve all those needs. If you look at the proposed map, Jefferson and South CA have absolutely nothing in common, and could easily be separate.