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Dr. Phil

sophiamarie — Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:26:18 GMT

So who watched yesterday and today's continuing story? What do you think? Why can't the truth come out?

What a mystery. AND - where was the other guy who was at the house with them? How come nobody even mentioned him, except to say that he wasn't on the show? I would have liked to hear HIS story.

I feel for the parents - they'll never know the truth. OR, maybe they do.???????

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Preds — Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:31:11 GMT

I think they were drunk and honestly don't know what happened. Or, they aren't sure of what they saw or heard. I don't think the young man killed himself.

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ROMARY — Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:40:06 GMT

Missed it. What happened, in a couple of sentences or so...........?

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sophiamarie — Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:44:14 GMT

I think Dr. Phil hit the nail on the head today when he said to the girl (it could have been horseplay, wrestling, etc) and the gun went off.

If you listen carefully to the recordings, it sounds like it was rehearsed a little - kind of like they knew what happened (an accident) they then called police and were very distraught (they weren't acting, they were really scared) but there was something in her voice that said she knew exactly what happened. The second I heard the way she sounded, I just felt that she knew....... JMO of course - but what else could it have been? Science really doesn't lie.

They were very adamant in saying Jake shot himself, yet they also say they don't remember what happened. They never saw him put the gun to his head yet they absolutely said he shot himself? Something is very wrong. So frustrating.

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sophiamarie — Tue, 10 Jun 2014 23:53:59 GMT

Ro: Four kids playing around, shooting a 357 and one kid dies. Shot in the left side of his head and he's right-handed. No powder burns or stippling, which would occur if he shot himself at close range. The way it looked, the gun had to be 18-24" away from him and that would be impossible for him to have done himself. A real mystery.

Everyone says he shot himself and his parents absolutely deny that he would that. He had no reason. He had a child when he was 16 and his father wants to get his death certificate changed from "suicide" to something else.

Dr. Wecht and Jack Trimarco were the experts and although the two kids who were there and said they took lie detector test and came out clean, the ones they took with Jack, came out "deceptive" - both of them. Dr. Phil talked to each one separately and they were each surprised at the results, insisting they don't know any more than they already told, although neither of them admitted they saw Jake put the gun to his head. Very, very confusing.

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ROMARY — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 03:10:25 GMT

Sophia marie..............thank you!

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ive been framed — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:37:42 GMT

On 6/10/2014 sophiamarie said:
Ro: Four kids playing around, shooting a 357 and one kid dies. Shot in the left side of his head and he's right-handed. No powder burns or stippling, which would occur if he shot himself at close range. The way it looked, the gun had to be 18-24" away from him and that would be impossible for him to have done himself. A real mystery.

Everyone says he shot himself and his parents absolutely deny that he would that. He had no reason. He had a child when he was 16 and his father wants to get his death certificate changed from "suicide" to something else.

Dr. Wecht and Jack Trimarco were the experts and although the two kids who were there and said they took lie detector test and came out clean, the ones they took with Jack, came out "deceptive" - both of them. Dr. Phil talked to each one separately and they were each surprised at the results, insisting they don't know any more than they already told, although neither of them admitted they saw Jake put the gun to his head. Very, very confusing.

You mean (allegedly) they were horsing around when the kid decided to shoot himself right then and there in front of his friends? Hmmm.

I didn't see the show, BTW. What a sad sad situation.

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nunya — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 13:46:45 GMT

Didn't Dr Phil say that a 4 on a lie detector was deceptive and they both scored an 8?

I think they made a pact to say they don't know, and are sticking to it.

You could tell they are hiding something, and the parents said they don't want anyone arrested, they just want to know the truth.

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QueenDanceALot — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:03:52 GMT

On 6/11/2014 nunya said:
Didn't Dr Phil say that a 4 on a lie detector was deceptive and they both scored an 8?

I think they made a pact to say they don't know, and are sticking to it.

You could tell they are hiding something, and the parents said they don't want anyone arrested, they just want to know the truth.

I agree with you and thought the girl was close to cracking when Dr. Phil was talking to her after the polygraph.

The parents deserve to know what happened.

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QueenDanceALot — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:04:36 GMT

I also thought that the boy smiled a little too much. Maybe just nervousness, but maybe not.

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JeanLouiseFinch — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:43:41 GMT

Dr. Phil definitely hit the nail on the head when he suggested the horseplay scenario. I almost thought the girl might crack, too. The boy and girl both know more than they're saying or one is covering up for the other (they are b/f & g/f, so it's not that far fetched). I believe their behavior/reactions/demeanor were rehearsed, trying to sound indignant and taking offense. They were too talkative and friendly prior to the polygraph results being read, and then that suddenly changed to overacted confusion on his part and a defensive, deflecting, attacking posture on hers. Given the trajectory and so forth, there's no way the boy who died shot himself. His parents are showing such grace and mercy, not wanting anyone to be punished, they just want to know so they can have some kind of closure. My heart really goes out to them.

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QueenDanceALot — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 14:59:54 GMT

I kind of wanted to smack the girl when she looked up to the heavens at the end to say sarcastically, "Thanks, Jake, for ruining my life"

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JeanLouiseFinch — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:06:27 GMT

On 6/11/2014 KittyLouWhoToo said:
I kind of wanted to smack the girl when she looked up to the heavens at the end to say sarcastically, "Thanks, Jake, for ruining my life"

Oh yeah, you can say that again!

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sophiamarie — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:07:52 GMT

I wonder if she knew she was being filmed when she said that. Remember when she said to Dr. Phil "this is a TV show, right?" - like the polygraphs were just done for the drama and the results were deliberately shown as "deceptive".....

Did they ever say where the gun was found? Right or left side of Jake? What a botched up investigation that was. The parents had his body exhumed and still they claim it was a suicide? Even after Dr. Wecht said it was impossible?

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QueenDanceALot — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 17:13:44 GMT

The girl even tried contorting her body in the way that Dr. Wecht said it would have to have happened to show Dr. Phil that suicide was indeed possible. Even though it was really not possible in any real sense of the word.

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maryebrown_1 — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 19:49:36 GMT

I think the other guy, who wasn't on the program, shot Jake accidently. Jack Demarco asked the pointed questions to the 2 of them, and their answers were ""deceptive" because of those questions. Earlier in the show, He had mentioned that the polygraphs that had previously been done, they were not asked 'the right questions' by the polygrapher.

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sophiamarie — Wed, 11 Jun 2014 22:20:10 GMT

On 6/11/2014 maryebrown said:
I think the other guy, who wasn't on the program, shot Jake accidently. Jack Demarco asked the pointed questions to the 2 of them, and their answers were ""deceptive" because of those questions. Earlier in the show, He had mentioned that the polygraphs that had previously been done, they were not asked 'the right questions' by the polygrapher.

Yes. He said it was as though "they weren't given a test at all". The guy smiled too much and was too arrogant. I truly believe they rehearsed their story and I also wonder about the missing guy. Why wasn't he mentioned? What is HIS story? How are they so sure Jake shot himself when they admitted that they didn't see him do it? It sounds like it would be so easy to "trap" them with some good detective work. I swear, those recordings gave them away. To me, at least. Her voice sounded like "OMG, what did we do"..... She didn't say it - but it sure sounded like it. And he was too quick with the "my friend shot himself in the head".... How would he know that if he didn't see it????

Hmm, I wonder why Dr. Phil didn't call Robyn up to solve this one.