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Ashley Wagner's comment

AngelLove2 — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:18:56 GMT

Ashley felt that those who fell in the Olympics shouldn't have won a medal over her. She skated a clean program. Well Ashley, you shouldn't have been in the Olympics. Ashley came in 4th in the qualifying competition because she fell. The federation voted her in. Wonder if that crossed her mind...obviously not.

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faeriemoon — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:24:23 GMT

This comment is totally OT, but Ashley Wagner looks a whole lot like Kate Gosselin.

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TaxyLady — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:24:25 GMT

I think Ashley Wagner skated a beautiful performance. She deserves to be at the Olympics. People had faith in her and sent her. She did a good job for the USA. She didn't let the USA down.

I think the real controversy is between the 1st and 2nd placement. I saw last night that there will be a review of the scoring. I didn't think the Russian outskated the woman from Korea. I think 1st place was a gift for Russia.

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AngelLove2 — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 15:31:50 GMT

I think Ashley should have kept her mouth shut. She skated well but I don't think she deserved a medal.

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heartkeeper — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:18:56 GMT

I was watching the skate program and I couldn't believe when the skater who fell got higher marks than Wagner did. I agree with Wagner. She skated better than the girl who fell.

And yes, Wagner fell while skating the qualifying competition, but she didn't fall during her performance at the Olympics.

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Yuban3 — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:26:54 GMT

Different elements have different point value. One element may have a higher point value than another. Then they deduct from that point value if they don't do all the rotations, if they two foot the landing, and yes, if they fall.

So, one skater may have elements that have a higher point value, than another skater.

For example, skater A has elements that are more than the elements of skater B.

Skater A falls during her performance.

That fall is naturally deducted from her element total value.

Skater B skates flawlessly.

But because skater B started with a lower total point value for her elements, she comes in lower in points than skater A who fell.

I hope I explained it so that it makes sense.

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QueenDanceALot — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:27:56 GMT

Isn't she the one who talked about how secksy she was?

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lulu2 — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:36:43 GMT

Asheley W said she skated 3 clean programs. No she didn't. She seldom if ever skates a clean program. She under-rotates and 2 foots her jumps and gets edge calls. Then there's the fact she still cannot do a triple-triple combo cleanly. Ashley didn't fall, that does not mean she skated clean programs.

The biggest disappointment I heard her say this morning was she was going to stick around for the next Olympics. The good news is the younger skaters are going to leave her in the dust.

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Linders Back — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:37:09 GMT

It also was a combined score of the Short Program and the Free Skate.

I wasn't that impressed with Ashley's attitude during the Nationals here in Boston. Yes, she can skate, but she's a bit of a Diva.

I do think that the Korean Skater should have gotten the Gold over the Russian. I think maybe the fact that she hadn't competed recently so skated far down in the ranking order for the Short Program was a hindrance. She got great scores, but might have gotten higher if she had skated later. But both of them were better than Ashley throughout their entire programs, however, even with a fall.

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brii — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:47:16 GMT

Ashley seems a little conceited to me. She really criticized the judges and how they score.

I was really rooting for Yuna Kim to win gold.

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Magenta — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 16:52:41 GMT

I was sorry that the Korean girl in electric blue, whose Mother passed last time when she was on her way home immediately as she heard the Mom was very ill, didn't get a medal. Just because. I liked her a lot and it would have been nice.

The Russian winner was certainly something else. Flexible as could be, but at time going so fast that for me she lost some of the charm.

Magenta

P.S. I was glad that the Italian won a medal and she was thrilled, so good for her.

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Marienkaefer2 — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:12:30 GMT

I think the Russian skater, Adelina Solitnikova, was good, but not as good as Yuna Kim. I also thought Carolina Kostner did a beautiful performance.

Figure skating is more than athleticism. It's also about artistry.

Yuna should have gotten gold, Carolina silver, and Adelina the bronze.

There is some controversy over this because one if the Russian judges had been suspended four years ago for trying to fix a score in Vancouver.

Well it wouldn't be figure skating without controversy.

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Qwackertoo — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:14:27 GMT

Since the judging is subjective compared to other races/sports/events . . . there has always been controversy and probably always will be.

"This sport needs people to want to watch it and people don't want to watch a sport where they see someone skate like that and they can't depend on that person to be the one who pulls through," Wagner said. "People don't want to watch a sport where you fall down and somehow score above someone who goes clean. It's confusing and we need to make it clear."

Wagner wasn't complaining that she had been cheated out of a medal. She hadn't. She finished seventh and was well off the podium. But she brought up a good point. Figure skating is a wonderful sport that mixes incredible athleticism with music, choreography and theater -- and there is no way to score it other than by judges.

The scoring system, however, needs to be changed. The current system was brought in as a result of the 2002 Olympics scandal and in some ways it has made the scoring fairer and made cheating much more difficult. But it also has hurt the sport.

Casual fans don't understand it (heck, even some participants don't fully understand it). For one thing, how can a skater who falls once (or twice) still get a higher score than a competitor who skates a clean program? The answer is simple. Skaters get points for attempting jumps whether they land them or not.

And that's not the way it should be.

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LilacTree — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:17:22 GMT

Yuna Kim should have won. Her program was flawless and her grace on the ice is matched only by the Italian bronze medal winner, who was lovely. The young Russian skaters are highly athletic and technically proficient, but they do not yet fall into the realm of watching a beautiful, graceful skating performance. That only comes with experience. The Russians have always done this and gotten away with it.

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Krimpette — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:21:45 GMT

I find Ashley to be somewhat ""unlikeable"". I truly felt sorry for Gracie Gold. Had she not fallen……..

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gazelle77 — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:23:39 GMT

she has got a set of rabbit teeth as well.

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Tootie15 — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:26:47 GMT

Ashley is all about Ashley .... very hung up on herself. She may be a good skater, but she has a terrible attitude...

In the end .... the best skater wins .....

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Tyak — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:13:15 GMT

On 2/21/2014 faeriemoon said:
This comment is totally OT, but Ashley Wagner looks a whole lot like Kate Gosselin.

OMG, you're right. I've been trying to think of who she reminds me of and now I know!

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AngusandBuddhasMom — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:21:58 GMT

Someone should explain to Ashley there were 6 people who skated better then her.

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SeaGal — Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:25:49 GMT

I thought Adelina (sp) was a little doll, and I am glad she won.