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The puzzle on Car Talk

hennypenny — Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:10:41 GMT

Has anyone figured out the Polish prison puzzle that was on car talk this morning? We usually can come up with an answer but this time we are stumped.

Please help me and put me out of my misery!

Re: The puzzle on Car Talk

Yuban3 — Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:12:29 GMT

Can you explain the riddle?

Re: The puzzle on Car Talk

adelle38 — Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:12:44 GMT

RAY: The warden meets with 23 new prisoners when they arrive. He tells them, "You may meet today and plan a strategy. But after today, you will be in isolated cells and will have no communication with one another.

"In the prison is a switch room, which contains two light switches labeled A and B, each of which can be in either the on or the off position. I am not telling you their present positions. The switches are not connected to anything.

"After today, from time to time whenever I feel so inclined, I will select one prisoner at random and escort him to the switch room. This prisoner will select one of the two switches and reverse its position. He must move one, but only one of the switches. He can't move both but he can't move none either. Then he'll be led back to his cell.

"No one else will enter the switch room until I lead the next prisoner there, and he'll be instructed to do the same thing. I'm going to choose prisoners at random. I may choose the same guy three times in a row, or I may jump around and come back.

"But, given enough time, everyone will eventually visit the switch room as many times as everyone else. At any time anyone of you may declare to me, 'We have all visited the switch room.'

"If it is true, then you will all be set free. If it is false, and somebody has not yet visited the switch room, you will be fed to the alligators."

Here's the question:

What is the strategy the prisoners devise?

And here are the hints I'll give:

Hint number 1: A sixth grader could figure this puzzler out.

Hint B: Take a long-term perspective.

And Hint III: Solve the puzzler for three prisoners.

Re: The puzzle on Car Talk

hennypenny — Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:18:17 GMT

Thank you Adell, I am still working on it.---- Did you figure it out?

Re: The puzzle on Car Talk

adelle38 — Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:18:50 GMT

On 2/8/2014 hennypenny said:
Thank you Adell, I am still working on it.---- Did you figure it out?

I'm totally puzzled but I'm not good at these.

Re: The puzzle on Car Talk

Yuban3 — Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:19:11 GMT

I have the answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.1. Appoint a "scorekeeper" and the other 22 prisoners as "transmitters".

2. When a transmitter enter the switch room for the first time, he will flick switch B ON if he sees it in the OFF position. Alternatively, he will flick switch A if he sees switch B is in the ON position and waits for his next visit. The transmitter's mission is to find ONE opportunity to flick switch B to the ON position. After he completes his mission, he will flick switch A for all subsequent visits. In short, each transmitter's role is to send a signal to the scorekeeper that he has been to the switch room.

3. The scorekeeper's role is to flick off switch B whenever he sees it in the ON position. Each time he flicks off switch B he adds 1 to his score. When he sees switch B is already OFF, he flicks switch A instead and does not add to the score. As soon as he accumulates 22, he reports to the Warden.

Re: The puzzle on Car Talk

hennypenny — Sat, 08 Feb 2014 21:25:12 GMT

Yuban, did you come up with this or did you find the answer somewhere? Mr. henny is still pondering so I won't give him the answer. It was wayyyy beyond me!

Re: The puzzle on Car Talk

sunala — Sun, 09 Feb 2014 04:24:53 GMT

On 2/8/2014 hennypenny said:
Yuban, did you come up with this or did you find the answer somewhere? Mr. henny is still pondering so I won't give him the answer. It was wayyyy beyond me!

hennala, not only is the question way beyond me, the ANSWER is way beyond me too!

I'm definitely not good at these puzzles. I wish Mr henny lots of luck

Re: The puzzle on Car Talk

hennypenny — Sun, 09 Feb 2014 07:30:39 GMT

I didn't understand the answer.

It took Mr henny about half an hour to try to explain it, having me pretend to to be the scorekeeper. Finally he gave up. It was as though he was speaking another language.

If it has to do with math I am totally at a loss. That side of the brain has never functioned properly.