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Car Batteries

Mom2Dogs — Sun, 02 Apr 2023 16:29:27 GMT

In cars with a battery - I am talking about hybrids.

Does anyone know how long a battery lasts and the cost?

Or is it the particular make/model that makes the difference on longivety and cost?

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Othereeeen — Sun, 02 Apr 2023 16:31:16 GMT

@Mom2Dogs

Not being facetious....Google is your friend!!!!

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Mom2Dogs — Sun, 02 Apr 2023 16:32:45 GMT

Yes it it...but I also like to read what others have experienced...thanks.

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Mom2Dogs — Sun, 02 Apr 2023 17:03:34 GMT

The price for replacement batteries seems excessive (from what I have read).

When we compare the traditional gas powered car to a hybrid and add in the cost of a new battery (and additonal price of the sticker price) ..hybrids just do not seem like a good value to us.

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SilleeMee — Sun, 02 Apr 2023 19:14:38 GMT

Not only are batteries expensive for hybrids, battery replacement for electric vehicles is just as costly if not more expensive than those for hybrids.

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cindyNC — Sun, 02 Apr 2023 19:37:40 GMT

@Mom2Dogs I can only speak for my vehicle. I'm driving a 2007 Toyota Hybrid Highlander. It has a bit over 103,000 and I'm the original owner. When I purchased it, the hybrid batteries were guarantareed to 10 years or 150,000 miles. It holds 5 passengers (2 front, 3 back).

I follow a guy on youtube who is a Toyota mechanic and he told me my car should last a long time. It's a first generation hybrid......no filters in front of the batteries and they are under the rear seat. I was told never to put packages or block the vents under those seats. Also, a massive liquid spill in the back seat could kill the batteries. The only passenger in the back seat is the siberian husky.........and I have a huge rubber dog hammock that attaches to both front and passenger headrests preventing anything (except dog hair) from damaing the seats or falling on the floor.

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Mom2Dogs — Sun, 02 Apr 2023 21:43:21 GMT

@SilleeMee Definetely will NOT purchase an electric vehicle for many reasons.

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Krimpette — Sun, 02 Apr 2023 21:49:41 GMT

@Mom2Dogs I agree 100%. However, we might not have the choice one day.......not too far off, I fear.

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SilleeMee — Sun, 02 Apr 2023 22:20:28 GMT

@Krimpette wrote:
@Mom2Dogs I agree 100%. However, we might not have the choice one day.......not too far off, I fear.

I think what will happen to gas-driven cars is that when it comes time to make repairs, their parts will no long be available and if they are then those parts will be expensive and most owners will not want to spend the money to fix their gas cars. Instead they will be forced into buying an EV.

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Mom2Dogs — Mon, 03 Apr 2023 00:47:22 GMT

@SilleeMee I always thought that 'they' had to make parts available for 10 years...but anymore who knows.

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elated — Mon, 03 Apr 2023 01:24:02 GMT

Most hybrid batteries last 10-15 years. The minimum lifespan if a battery is usually 80 thousand miles. Hybrid costs of a battery depends on the vehicle. It can run between $1000 - $8000..

The costs of an EV is around $60,000. The battery to replace it runs around $20,000. The costs of having an electrical vehicle charger station depends on the level: Level 1 is $300 to $1500, Level two are faster costs $300 to $6500 and costs $3000 installation, Level three costs $10,000 to $40,000 with installation of $21,000. These are the fastest. Most people can't afford these vehicles due to the prohibitive costs.

I don't think gas vehicle cars are going anywhere anytime soon. The rise in interest rates has not helped.

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hckynutjohn — Mon, 03 Apr 2023 02:35:11 GMT

@Mom2Dogs wrote:
The price for replacement batteries seems excessive (from what I have read).
When we compare the traditional gas powered car to a hybrid and add in the cost of a new battery (and additonal price of the sticker price) ..hybrids just do not seem like a good value to us.

@Mom2Dogs

They don't seem like a good value, because for many, they are not. I have seen prices as high as $15,000 for some model EV batteries.

Until a manufacturer can tell you, which means a 100% warranty, how long they will last? Ain't no way anyone can figure their value in comparison, to a naturally aspirated, internal combustion engine.

Lots from some about the good of an EV. Many however either leave out, or have no knowledge, of how and what minerals go into an EV battery. And how those ingredients come to the ones that make the batteries.

Will stick with my fuel injector aspirated internal combustion engines. I know most of them inside and out. While they have more "gadgets thus electronics", but! The basic functioning parts of internal combustion engines has not changed. And I am very familiar with all of them.

hckynut 🇺🇸

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gardenman — Mon, 03 Apr 2023 11:20:53 GMT

Battery life is determined by charge cycles. Each time a battery is fully discharged and fully recharged counts as one cycle. Most batteries are good for 500-3,000 cycles. (Three thousand is a bit optimistic, but you do see it mentioned.)

At the recent Construction equipment convention in Las Vegas, electric construction equipment was featured. A Volvo electric excavator was featured that could run for four hours on a full charge then recharge in as little as an hour (lunch break according to Volvo) and finish out the day. The battery on that was rated for 2,000 charging cycles.

Let's say you're a contractor using that excavator five days a week. It would consume ten charge cycles a week. That would give the batteries a lifespan of 200 weeks. If you don't mind replacing the batteries every four years, it could make sense for you, but to charge it at the job site requires purchasing a portable, diesel powered charge station. If you're using a diesel powered generator to charge your excavator, you might as well just use a diesel powered excavator.

The power required to charge an electric car is typically around 65 kwh. The average home uses 30 kwh per day. So, every electric car is essentially like adding two typical homes to the power grid. Unless we start building power plants in a hurry, the grid will not be able to sustain the transition to electric vehicles. The math just doesn't work.

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sabatini — Mon, 03 Apr 2023 19:05:17 GMT

Here, where I live in Arizona, a car battery needs to be replaced far more frequently than what'd be considered normal. - about every two years.

I wonder if that'd include the battery for an EV?

If so, talk about expensive!

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arrabella — Mon, 03 Apr 2023 19:58:24 GMT

@Mom2Dogs wrote:
In cars with a battery - I am talking about hybrids.
Does anyone know how long a battery lasts and the cost?

Or is it the particular make/model that makes the difference on longivety and cost?

What happens to all those used batteries?

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patbz — Mon, 03 Apr 2023 23:52:16 GMT

I've owned 2 Prius hybrids (400,00 MI and I still own one of them) plus a Buick hybrid 88,000 and no problems. 300,000 MI on the Toyotas was when I lived in high desert CA ( same temps as Phoenix). I'll never buy anything but a hybrid although I hope my next one is a plug in hybrid.

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Nightowlz — Tue, 04 Apr 2023 01:04:37 GMT

@arrabella wrote:
@Mom2Dogs wrote:
In cars with a battery - I am talking about hybrids.
Does anyone know how long a battery lasts and the cost?

Or is it the particular make/model that makes the difference on longivety and cost?

What happens to all those used batteries?

@arrabella

They will create more pollution to the soil in the US? We don't need all those batteries leaking in the ground?

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Nightowlz — Tue, 04 Apr 2023 01:08:01 GMT

I saw a documentary where they used water instead of gas. Why are we not doing that? Shell made sure that was covered up long time ago.

I also saw a show where they were using fumes from gas so you used next to nothing?

They have other non-polluting alternatives but we are not using them?

It's all about the money.

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ScrapHappy — Tue, 04 Apr 2023 02:17:29 GMT

@Mom2Dogs wrote:
In cars with a battery - I am talking about hybrids.
Does anyone know how long a battery lasts and the cost?

Or is it the particular make/model that makes the difference on longivety and cost?

When I was looking for a new car, I thought a hybrid was the way to go. I knew I wanted a Toyota Highlander. When researching, a new battery was about $6000. That did not include labor, which could easily be $200-$300 and also didn't include any additional parts if needed. I bought a 2016 Highlander, but not a Hybrid.

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Trailrun23 — Wed, 05 Apr 2023 03:06:19 GMT

DD was at my house today. Her Tesla has an app that serves as her car keys....the app was down....she couldn't leave. I loved having her here. She finally got the app to work so she could unlock her car and go home. Thankful she wasn't stranded and was here with me instead.