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Availability? - Fentanyl Test Strips??

JoyFilled Warrior — Tue, 24 Jan 2023 08:05:55 GMT

Have all States, or US Gov'tt approved of the use & availability of "Fentenyl Test Strips?" Anyone know?

Also, where are they available. If they're all that effective, dont we need to make sure esp youth need these so available? We have a big problem! Too many "laced" deaths!

1) "Fentanyl Test Strips on the Dance Floor? Partygoers Face New Reality" (ref: WSJ)

2) "Fentanyl Test Strips Save Lives, Yet Most States Ban Them As “Drug Paraphernalia”" (ref: CATO.org)

3) "Fentanyl Test Strips Are ‘Catching On’ Among Cocaine Users"

"A rise in overdoses has prompted some drug users to make testing a party ritual." (ref: NYT)

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NigelSparkles — Tue, 24 Jan 2023 13:16:30 GMT

IMO, the people who are using cocaine and other drugs aren't going to be standing around testing for fentanyl.

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skatting44 — Tue, 24 Jan 2023 14:50:36 GMT

Another crutch to promote drug addiction .

Yes, can see that it could save lives , but does nothing to prevent teens and adults from buying home made drugs made to look like Adderal over the internet .

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Stelladorable — Tue, 24 Jan 2023 15:32:32 GMT

I'm for anything that helps to prevent unnecessary death- clean needles, test strips, condoms, etc.

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RollTide2008 — Tue, 24 Jan 2023 16:00:43 GMT

@skatting44 wrote:
Another crutch to promote drug addiction .
Yes, can see that it could save lives , but does nothing to prevent teens and adults from buying home made drugs made to look like Adderal over the internet .

But it keeps them from dying when bootleg Adderall is laced with fentanyl.

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chrystaltree — Tue, 24 Jan 2023 16:36:32 GMT

Never heard of them but I don't believe they'd do much good. Most fentanyl deaths are drug users who know what they are taking. Fentanyl is their drug of choice.

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Sage04 — Tue, 24 Jan 2023 20:18:09 GMT

Fentanyl death does not only affect users. A month ago a female Police Officer ingested fentanyl even while wearing gloves. She doesn't know how it happened but it was a good thing that another Officer was there and gave her three doses of Narcan. If she was alone during the traffic stop it could have been worse.

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qvcaddition — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 02:22:23 GMT

My daughters childhood friend has stage 4 breast cancer. I visited her today and hospice has her on these strips, plus morphine and pecoset.(sp) and a few others and she is still in pain, very much. She has not been a drug user

She wants to be done and go. I've seen pain, but not this much.

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skatting44 — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 04:38:06 GMT

@RollTide2008

seems to me that people should be blocked from selling home made pills via the internet - teens and others should only be taking meds prescribed by a real Doctor and get their prescriptions from a real pharmacy and not Drug Dealers

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AngelPuppy1 — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 12:34:32 GMT

I don't know what to say. I guess there are some situation where they could be useful. But doesn't it seem in many ways that they are concentrating too much on more ways to make it easier for drug users to use drugs? Instead of focusing on ways to prevent drug use and ways to keep more drugs from being manufactured and from coming into the country? I heard the other day, I didn't get the whole story, but that there is another drug that is getting added which these strips can't detect. No matter what they do, the people who are making the drugs are always upping their game it seems.

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RollTide2008 — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 13:25:54 GMT

@skatting44 wrote:
@RollTide2008
seems to me that people should be blocked from selling home made pills via the internet - teens and others should only be taking meds prescribed by a real Doctor and get their prescriptions from a real pharmacy and not Drug Dealers

I mean, it's already illegal but it happens. Do you have some wild brainstorm to make it stop? So why not take measures to make it safer?

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skatting44 — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 14:30:54 GMT

@RollTide2008

Sitting back and just letting children and adults get caught in the Drug Dealers deadly web is ridiculous. They do that in Europe -open drug areas , free syringes and heaven knows what else to just let them do drugs .

I have seen what substance abuse does to families by working in acute rehab clinic.

I think alot of people know someone who has a relative now adays who is struggling with substance abuse . very easy for those who do not have a loved one who is an addict to say " help them do their drugs " because the addict is a lost cause or does not matter ".

Letting them just do drugs increases an insidious creeping spider web that ends up affecting more and more children . Look at the new statistics of children dying from these drug dealer products .

Cut off the supply and enforce the law against selling these illegal substances.

Provide more free clinics and live in treatment centers for addicts.

Quit glorifying drug and alcohol usage in movies .

There needs to be a national campaign to talk with school age children to seek help for anxiety , depression and to resist drugs from dealers.

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CelticCrafter — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 14:31:51 GMT

@qvcaddition wrote:
My daughters childhood friend has stage 4 breast cancer. I visited her today and hospice has her on these strips, plus morphine and pecoset.(sp) and a few others and she is still in pain, very much. She has not been a drug user
She wants to be done and go. I've seen pain, but not this much.

@qvcaddition sorry about your daughters friend, but that's not what this post is about, they aren't the same thing.

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ThinkingOutLoud — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 16:15:02 GMT

@RollTide2008 wrote:
@skatting44 wrote:
@RollTide2008
seems to me that people should be blocked from selling home made pills via the internet - teens and others should only be taking meds prescribed by a real Doctor and get their prescriptions from a real pharmacy and not Drug Dealers

I mean, it's already illegal but it happens. Do you have some wild brainstorm to make it stop? So why not take measures to make it safer?

Wow!! Make it safer to do drugs. So much wrong with this kind of thinking. smh

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RollTide2008 — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:04:37 GMT

@ThinkingOutLoud wrote:
@RollTide2008 wrote:
@skatting44 wrote:
@RollTide2008
seems to me that people should be blocked from selling home made pills via the internet - teens and others should only be taking meds prescribed by a real Doctor and get their prescriptions from a real pharmacy and not Drug Dealers

I mean, it's already illegal but it happens. Do you have some wild brainstorm to make it stop? So why not take measures to make it safer?
Wow!! Make it safer to do drugs. So much wrong with this kind of thinking. smh

So let's discuss your plan to end recreational drug use...

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qvcaddition — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 17:27:53 GMT

@CelticCrafter

@CelticCrafter wrote:
@qvcaddition wrote:
My daughters childhood friend has stage 4 breast cancer. I visited her today and hospice has her on these strips, plus morphine and pecoset.(sp) and a few others and she is still in pain, very much. She has not been a drug user
She wants to be done and go. I've seen pain, but not this much.
@qvcaddition sorry about your daughters friend, but that's not what this post is about, they aren't the same thing.

Sorry, I must have read wrong about the Fentanyl strips. My bad.

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Stelladorable — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 18:05:54 GMT

@RollTide2008 I think the idea is to not offer any safety measures for addicts. Darwin them out of existence. Except we know addiction is a disease, part of a physical vulnerability that has existed since the beginning of time. Like cancer. It doesn't go away.

You may make it easier for addicts to get sick and die, but that's not going to stop addiction.

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RollTide2008 — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 18:08:40 GMT

@Stelladorable wrote:
@RollTide2008 I think the idea is to not offer any safety measures for addicts. Darwin them out of existence. Except we know addiction is a disease, part of a physical vulnerability that has existed since the beginning of time. Like cancer. It doesn't go away.
You may make it easier for addicts to get sick and die, but that's not going to stop addiction.

That's assuming it's just junkies who die using drugs. What about the recreational users? The kid in a club who gets a little ecstasy laces with fentanyl?

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gertrudecloset — Thu, 26 Jan 2023 09:52:07 GMT

@Stelladorable wrote:
@RollTide2008 I think the idea is to not offer any safety measures for addicts. Darwin them out of existence. Except we know addiction is a disease, part of a physical vulnerability that has existed since the beginning of time. Like cancer. It doesn't go away.
You may make it easier for addicts to get sick and die, but that's not going to stop addiction.

Darwin them out of existence? How? That theory has no basis in truth, as it's a theory. Theories must be proven and that one never was @Stelladorable

I recall a time that many localities and states gave out free needles and works to keep the spread of AIDS down among people who shot up heroine. They gave out profolatics in high schools too. I think they thought "saying no" wasn't going to work and found a work around.

The policy rationale behind it was slow the transmission of a disease. Of course, the unintended consequences were "free places to shoot up" with clean needles. Sort of like saying it's ok to do.

I have no idea why anyone would want fentanyl and it is so much more potent than any other drug on the market.

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Stelladorable — Thu, 26 Jan 2023 12:19:36 GMT

@gertrudecloset wrote:
@Stelladorable wrote:
@RollTide2008 I think the idea is to not offer any safety measures for addicts. Darwin them out of existence. Except we know addiction is a disease, part of a physical vulnerability that has existed since the beginning of time. Like cancer. It doesn't go away.
You may make it easier for addicts to get sick and die, but that's not going to stop addiction.
Darwin them out of existence? How? That theory has no basis in truth, as it's a theory. Theories must be proven and that one never was @Stelladorable

I recall a time that many localities and states gave out free needles and works to keep the spread of AIDS down among people who shot up heroine. They gave out profolatics in high schools too. I think they thought "saying no" wasn't going to work and found a work around.

The policy rationale behind it was slow the transmission of a disease. Of course, the unintended consequences were "free places to shoot up" with clean needles. Sort of like saying it's ok to do.

I have no idea why anyone would want fentanyl and it is so much more potent than any other drug on the market.

@gertrudecloset my post was tongue in cheek. I mention that we know that addiction is a disease and we won't stop addiction by allowing addicts to die.