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Murder on Rust Movie Set

Kachina624 — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 18:27:21 GMT

Remember the murder of the cinematographer on the set of Alec Baldwin's movie Rust about a year ago in Santa Fe? The local District Attorney is preparing to file charges in the case. The news media is speculating that one will be Alec Baldwin. This is from a local TV station.

Re: Murder on Rust Movie Set

gertrudecloset — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 18:54:20 GMT

I think I read something about it not long ago. Alec is not scott free yet.

Rust' Shooting Investigation Receives Update on Possible Charges Against Alec Baldwin

By Stephen Andrew - August 11, 2022 05:45 pm EDT

There has been an update on the shooting investigation from the set of Rust, and it includes details on possible charges against actor Alec Baldwin. It's been almost 10 months since the fatal shooting, and Deadline reports that the police investigation is getting close to being complete. However, it is not closed just yet, but is still ongoing.

In a new update, Santa Fe Country Sheriff's Investigators have confirmed that they have received a completed forensic report from the FBI. That report was in turn sent to the New Mexico Office of the Medical Investigator for further review. A release statement from the Sheriff's Office read, "The OMI had advised the Sheriff's Office that they required these forensic reports to finalize their investigation." In a separate update, the Santa Fe County Sheriffs, the Suffolk County Police Department, and First Judicial District Attorney's Office are all working together in order to acquire, process and disclose Baldwin's phone records. Once Sheriff's officials are able to review Baldwin's phone records and the OMI files, they will "send the final Rust case file to the Santa Fe District Attorney's office for final charging decisions."

"The District Attorney's office has been working with Suffolk County PD and Baldwin's lawyer to acquire the phone records. Once Suffolk County PD completes its agency assist and sends those records to New Mexico law enforcement, our detectives will need to then thoroughly review those phone records for evidentiary purposes," Santa Fe County Sheriff Adan Mendoza said in a statement. Notably, Deadline reported that the Santa Fe District Attorney's did not "respond for a request for comment on the state of the probe."

Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was killed on the set of Rust on Oct. 21, 2021, after a prop gun that Baldwin was holding discharged. The gun was initially not believed to be loaded with live rounds. During an interview with ABC News host George Stephanopoulos, Baldwin claimed that he "didn't pull the trigger" on the gun, stating that he has no idea why or how it fired a live round. This claim has been backed up by the film's Assistant Director, David Halls. In a previous statement to Good Morning America, Halls's attorney Lisa Torraco said, "Dave has told me since the very first day I met him that Alec did not pull that trigger. His finger was never in the trigger guard."

https://popculture.com/celebrity/news/rust-shooting-investigation-receives-update-possible-charges-against-alec-baldwin/

Re: Murder on Rust Movie Set

skatting44 — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 18:32:32 GMT

Truly, there was major negligence that caused that lady's death.

Alex Baldwin is like a cat with 9 lives , however he shoots his mouth off so much ....

He has somekind of personality disorder . He always balmes some one else .

He may have used up all his cat lives by now on this one.

Any one who holds a gun and pulls a trigger holds all the responsibility .

Re: Murder on Rust Movie Set

Porcelain — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 18:32:44 GMT

Are you saying they are charging someone with murder?

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qvcfreak — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 18:45:06 GMT

@Porcelain I would think Involuntary manslaughter or negligence homicide. I don’t think murder since it wasn’t premeditated. Unless there’s something else.

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BlueFinch — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 18:53:34 GMT

This tragedy has haunted me. That movie set looked like it was being run by a bunch of party frat boys. And, charges should start at the top for lack of staff safety. Looks like safety meetings were minimal. Alec had some responsibility in several of these roles.

It seems the person responsible for managing weapon safety should be totally accountable, but maybe not. She was a poor, inexperienced hire. Alec shouldn't have pulled the trigger, with that gun pointed close range at the victim either. It wasn't necessary to test camera angles. Yeah, he did --- what are the odds it would go off by itself, which he claims.

It was a horrible situation. It will be interesting to see how things fall out in proceedings. I'm sure no one wanted to take the life of this beautiful woman, but what happened was pure negligence.

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Katcat1 — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 18:57:17 GMT

Alec better cool his temper before he gets himself locked up. He has 6 or 7 children to care for. May the woman that was murdered rest in peace (I apologize for not remembering her name) but she was taken too soon.

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Porcelain — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 19:07:15 GMT

Guns are created to kill. We have gun safety laws and regulations for a reason.

Because chuckleheads and weirdos don't have common sense. Someone responsible needs to step in and create safety when an irresponsible person starts goofing around with a firearm. If you don't properyly respect a weapon you have zero business holding it.

I've shot guns at a range and out on a big estate. As a newbie, everyone kept an eye on me. I got yelled at once when I accidentally started to gesture in an unsafe manner. And rightly so.

If you have an atmosphere with low respect for potentially deadly objects (guns, swords, even forklifts or horses or conveyor belts), bad things can easily happen. High respect environment, people are likely to behave safely and all go home at the end of the day.

So in my opinion Alec is responsible here. But I also think casual treatment of guns happens a lot in our country and that problem needs the same level of attention as this particular incident.

Re: Murder on Rust Movie Set

Kachina624 — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 19:11:11 GMT

Alec has always claimed he didn't pull the trigger of the gun he had in his hand. The FBI examined the weapon and said the only way it would have fired would have been by him pulling the trigger. I'm guessing he'll have some culpability.

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BlueFinch — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 19:41:33 GMT

@Kachina624 Of course he did. That type of weapon doesn't have a hair trigger. Besides, he never said that right after the shot was fired. If he hadn't meant to pull the trigger wouldn't he have been protesting he didn't pull the trigger immediately?

Alec will be a handful if he has charges. He's been all about protecting Alec. He will be trying to turn himself into the victim before it's all over. But, that's Alec.

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teganslaw — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 20:08:09 GMT

I wonder why it took almost a year to complete the investigation. Wasn't there any cooperation from those involved? It seems like it should have taken half that time.

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occasionalrain — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 20:13:01 GMT

Alec will hire an expert who will test the gun and disclaim the FBI's finding. I don't believe Alec pulled the trigger, why would he? This is an attempt to spread blame and minimize liability. The fault is with the armor and the one who handed Alec the gun, said it wasn't loaded without checking it. The fact that no ammunition was supposed to be on set, but was, is on the armor who was responsible for weaponry.

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golding76 — Sun, 25 Sep 2022 17:18:44 GMT

I recall reading that the gun was lying unattended on a cart for a period of time. That had to be a breach of protocol for protecting personnel on set.

My thought as to why some have difficulty dropping Alec Baldwin from the blame seat is that he pointed the gun at someone and fired away. However, did it not also come out that he was asked to do that for verisimilitude or something? I do not remember this exactly, but I thought the victim herself, according to Alex, requested that he handle the gun as he did.

Personally, I would never point a gun at someone and fire it unless I intended to kill that person. Why? Because anything could go wrong. At what point, I wonder, is an armorer no longer responsible for the safety of a firearm on set. If Alec was not asked to do the gun maneuver I referenced in the previous paragraph, then he will have some responsibility for the death. Not all, but some.

If it is the armorer's responsibility to assure that the firearms are safe, Alec Baldwin cannot be faulted other than being reckless. These are random thoughts; I do not know the law.

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hckynutjohn — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 20:37:27 GMT

In my view, there is media coverage, and then there are the facts. One is seldom the same as the other.

Having sat on 9 Jury Panels, even the facts presented are seen differently by jurists on the same panel. With media? You only know what they tell you, and many times it is more opinion, than actual facts.

I am far from a Baldwin fan, but I want to see all the facts, not just concluding with he pulled the trigger. Even Baldwin himself changed his story. He originally said he did, and in a later TV interview he said: "it just went off, he did not pull the trigger.

I know nothing about movie sets and who is responsible for what. What I do know is the proper way to handle all hand guns, regardless of who hands it to me, or what state it was in the last time I held it.

Never trust, and always verify it's safety, and before you ever put your finger in the trigger housing. To do otherwise is not the proper way to handle any hand gun. The criminal trial, which I assume @Kachina624 is pointing out, will surely be followed by probably several Civil Trials.

It is sad that a life was lost and another person was injured. I will read and listen to the media, but only use their information as a guide, not to lead me to any conclusion. I will wait till the final verdicts are in, and go from there, after hopefully seeing the facts.

hckynut 🇺🇸

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On It — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 20:49:44 GMT

I may be confused. I thought the gun was supposed to have been loaded with blanks. Instead, live rounds found their way into the gun. The whole premise of blanks is that a gun can be pointed at someone and shot to make a realistic scene in a film. Whoever put the live ammunition in the gun is the responsible party.

The horror is in the lady's death.

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Sooner — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 21:16:28 GMT

I assume one can tell the difference between blanks and live ammunition. I don't know.

But I do know that if handed a gun, the correct thing to do is verify what is in the gun. Or not in the gun.

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hckynutjohn — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 21:51:51 GMT

@On It wrote:
I may be confused. I thought the gun was supposed to have been loaded with blanks. Instead, live rounds found their way into the gun. The whole premise of blanks is that a gun can be pointed at someone and shot to make a realistic scene in a film. Whoever put the live ammunition in the gun is the responsible party.
The horror is in the lady's death.

@On It

I can't address your confusion over blanks versus live rounds being loaded into that specific gun. I can however address your comment of "premise of blanks is that a gun can be pointed at someone"!

No gun should ever be pointed at someone, unless! The purpose is to actively shoot them. That is part of knowing about gun safety, and how and when you do what with any gun.

Unless your intention is to shoot something, or someone, your finger should never be in the trigger Housing. And it should never ever be pointed at anyone or anything.

hckynut 🇺🇸

Re: Murder on Rust Movie Set

Pearlee — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 22:04:39 GMT

@qvcfreak wrote:
@Porcelain I would think Involuntary manslaughter or negligence homicide. I don’t think murder since it wasn’t premeditated. Unless there’s something else.

@qvcfreak Murder needn't be premeditated.

That's usually 1st degree murder but there are other actions that can constitute murder.

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Pearlee — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 22:06:16 GMT

@Katcat1 wrote:
Alec better cool his temper before he gets himself locked up. He has 6 or 7 children to care for. May the woman that was murdered rest in peace (I apologize for not remembering her name) but she was taken too soon.

@Katcat1 Just look a few posts above yours for her name.

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Jacie — Sat, 24 Sep 2022 22:13:00 GMT

Alec Baldwin embodies entitled Hollywood. Has he ever accepted responsibility for anything? Crocodile tears.