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Queen Camilla and Her History with Others in the Royal Family

beach-mom — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 22:17:18 GMT

There is a new book coming out by Angela Levin. I learned a lot reading about it and comments from other royal experts.

Charles and Camilla were introduced by Princess Anne, who was dating Andrew Parker-Bowles. Charles fell hard, but thought he was too young to marry, so Camilla turned to Andrew. Her father and her brother forced Andrew's hand when they printed an engagement announcement in the paper while Charles was in Australia.

Charles adored his grandmother, and she pushed him to marry Diana.

Anne is still close to Andrew, but had nothing to do with Camilla until very lately. She discouraged Charles from marrying Camilla and told him she would never be a queen.

Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip weren't crazy about her either. Prince Philip in particular loved Diana. He was upset about Charles' affair with Camilla, and when Diana and Charles divorced he wrote to Diana saying he couldn't believe Charles would choose Camilla over her.

It wasn't until shortly before he died that he finally came around. He and the Queen kept their distance until Charles' 60th birthday party.

Charles intended to introduce his boys to Camilla, but William kept making excuses. Harry was young, but William heard the fighting between his parents over his dad's affair. Then Diana died. A year later Charles was ready to try again. William met her by accident, not realizing she would be there, and Harry met her a few weeks later with Camilla's children present. Charles tried to get everyone together. They apparently had a "cool" relationship after that. (This fits with what Mr. Burrell told me.)

When Kate came on the scene Camilla wasn't a fan. She didn't think Kate's background was appropriate for a future queen. But later she helped plan Kate's wedding, and apparently they are good now, although Kate prefers hanging out with her younger friends. The exit of Harry and Meghan has helped their relationship.

Camilla liked Meghan when she met her. She realized what it was like to be an outsider and wanted to help Meghan. But Meghan "acted bored and wanted to do her own thing."

Harry is the one who hasn't come around that much. According to an insider he sees her only as the cause of his mother's unhappiness.

Here's something else I learned:

Queen Elizabeth always listened to Andrew, and would usually do what he suggested. Years ago when William was a teenager he and Diana, with Sarah's input, decided Charles would just not be a good choice for king. Diana suggested William be made king with Andrew as Regent until William turned 18.

Andrew went to the Queen with this idea. Insiders say this was the first time they knew about that the Queen said no to Andrew.

Andrew never liked Camilla. He said she "couldn't be trusted," and urged Charles not to marry her.

It seems like a lot of family members have now accepted Camilla. Apparently she, Princess Anne, Princess Kate, and Sophie have been supporting the Queen together since the death of Prince Philip.

It was pretty certain Camilla was going to be "Princess Consort" when Charles became King. Queen Elizabeth was the one who wanted her to be Queen.

And so on. . !

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Oznell — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 22:30:30 GMT

Wow, @beach-mom , I was reading about Angela Levin's book today also!

I was a bit taken aback, weren't you, by that assertion that Diana, Andrew and Sarah formed a "cabal" of sorts, to try to persuade the Queen about making Charles a mere Regent, with the throne going to William.

I long ago heard rumblings that Diana indeed wanted that, but had no idea that Andrew actively pushed for that behind the scenes, against his own brother! If true, how treacherous, but in light of what has come to light about Andrew, I suppose not that surprising.

Edited to add-- Oh, I just noticed that you said Andrew wanted to be Regent! Not Charles as I had thought-- I must have read the thing wrong! Gosh, that's even worse.

The chutzpah to think he should supercede his brother, even as just Regent, gosh.

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Somertime — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 22:59:23 GMT

How Machiavellian! Oh what a web we weave when first we practice to deceive. Karma gets you in the end!

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beach-mom — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 23:11:49 GMT

@Oznell - I will admit I was shocked too! Way before Andrew's current situation, I always thought he was the cute party boy. When he married Sarah it seemed like the perfect marriage. Then that fell apart. But I always admired the way the two of them stayed close and raised their girls.

And I always thought he and Charles were close. I guess not.

I have read many times he was the Queen's favorite. How that must have made the others feel! And she tried to keep things private, but that got out.

About his recent troubles, he was never convicted. I know a lot of people will think I'm nuts, but we have a close friend who was falsely accused in a he said, she said situation. It took over a year and a lot of anguish for everyone, but she finally admitted she made a mistake and it was someone else. He was a trusting person who would go out of his way to help someone. He still is. He's just very careful.

But after learning this, I think the best thing Andrew can do is take care of his mother's pups and play with his grandchildren!

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Love my grandkids — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 23:18:46 GMT

@beach-mom Who is this author who purports to have all this information?

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50Mickey — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 23:25:21 GMT

This just says to me that the royal family is nothing more than highly paid soap opera characters.

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beach-mom — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 23:39:23 GMT

@Love my grandkids wrote:
@beach-mom Who is this author who purports to have all this information?

@Love my grandkids - Angela Levin

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drizzellla — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 23:48:47 GMT

I have not read anything about the book BUT I am adding my 2 cents.

I had heard a number of times that Andrew had supposedly been Queen Elizabeth's favorite. Not sure how people came to that conclusion but some people did.

Then a saw a documentary about Windsor Castle. And when they talked about the fire, one of the first statements was because of Prince Andrew many priceless items were saved. The firemen were trying to fight the fire. So Andrew called up the British Army and they removed paintings, rugs, furniture and as much as they could.

Prince Philip was in Argentina (I think, he was far away) and the Queen was in London. So Andrew took over trying to save as much as he could. There was film of him coordinating the removal of items.

Then you saw the Queen arriving. She looked so grateful that Andrew took charge.

I was impressed how he coordinated the work that had to be done.

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10sluvr — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 23:50:59 GMT

they are like many families that have to adjust to, deaths, re-marriages and affairs. they just had the world watching them.

i sometimes forget that the queen had 4 children. at least, i don't hear anything about Prince Edward. Good or Bad.

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Kachina624 — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 23:55:48 GMT

I've wondered if, sometime in the near future now that Phillip is gone, Andrew and Sarah might remarry. They are said to live together and seem very close. Andrew is a pariah and Sarah seems to be the only one who cares for him.

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beach-mom — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 00:07:54 GMT

@Kachina624 - I've heard rumors like that too. I have posted before that I read Prince Philip did not like Sarah, but Queen Elizabeth did. She and Sarah spent a lot of time together. Some thought they would remarry once Prince Philip was gone.

IDK. They've lived together for a long time. At first it was supposed to be to keep stability for their girls, but the girls are gone and they're still together.

When Kate and William were married Andrew held his cell phone so Sarah could listen to the service.

At this point they really have to lean on each other.

I'll be interested to see how he will be interacting with his older brother!

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ECBG — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 00:15:25 GMT

@Kachina624

I loved Diana and will never accept Camilla for what she did. She destroyed a marriage; in no book is that acceptable.

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Tinkrbl44 — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 00:37:08 GMT

@Oznell wrote:
Wow, @beach-mom , I was reading about Angela Levin's book today also!

I was a bit taken aback, weren't you, by that assertion that Diana, Andrew and Sarah formed a "cabal" of sorts, to try to persuade the Queen about making Charles a mere Regent, with the throne going to William.

I long ago heard rumblings that Diana indeed wanted that, but had no idea that Andrew actively pushed for that behind the scenes, against his own brother! If true, how treacherous, but in light of what has come to light about Andrew, I suppose not that surprising.

Edited to add-- Oh, I just noticed that you said Andrew wanted to be Regent! Not Charles as I had thought-- I must have read the thing wrong! Gosh, that's even worse.
The chutzpah to think he should supercede his brother, even as just Regent, gosh.

@Oznell

Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but clearly Charles was never the sharpest knife in the drawer .... all he had going for him was being the first born. That's it. Total lack of emotional intelligence, too ... "whatever love means" from a man in his 30's is NOT a good sign.

I hate to say it, but Diana could have done SO much better than Charles.

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QVCkitty1 — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 00:46:17 GMT

@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@Oznell wrote:
Wow, @beach-mom , I was reading about Angela Levin's book today also!

I was a bit taken aback, weren't you, by that assertion that Diana, Andrew and Sarah formed a "cabal" of sorts, to try to persuade the Queen about making Charles a mere Regent, with the throne going to William.

I long ago heard rumblings that Diana indeed wanted that, but had no idea that Andrew actively pushed for that behind the scenes, against his own brother! If true, how treacherous, but in light of what has come to light about Andrew, I suppose not that surprising.

Edited to add-- Oh, I just noticed that you said Andrew wanted to be Regent! Not Charles as I had thought-- I must have read the thing wrong! Gosh, that's even worse.
The chutzpah to think he should supercede his brother, even as just Regent, gosh.

@Oznell

Perhaps I'm in the minority here, but clearly Charles was never the sharpest knife in the drawer .... all he had going for him was being the first born. That's it. Total lack of emotional intelligence, too ... "whatever love means" from a man in his 30's is NOT a good sign.

I hate to say it, but Diana could have done SO much better than Charles.

@Tinkrbl44 , I will join you in that minority.

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Porcelain — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 00:49:11 GMT

It takes two people to destroy a marriage. Or three, I guess. Or three and the rest of the family. Or three and the rest of the family and the press...

I'd like to learn more about Camilla. I don't really get her. She seems a bit awkward, yet she also seems to be extremely comfortable in any situation. Unphased and just getting on with it, which in my opinion comes across quite well. I kind of like her, but I also find her hard to understand.

There's no accounting for who you're going to fall for. Just because Diana was so beautiful and lovely inside and out and deserving of love, didn't mean Charles would fall for her. Camilla was and I assume still is his type. She has her own charms. Camilla and Di were never the same "type."

I'm glad Charles and Camilla finally got together. It really is like a novel.

You know what I think it could be? Charles is one of those people who has always seemed kind of mature in age for his age, in my opinion, and Camilla is like that too, again in my opinion. I don't see it as a bad thing. There's room for all kinds of people in this world. And actually being mature in age is not a bad thing either (sure better not be!). Maybe that is why they are so comfortable together.

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mspatmac — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 00:56:43 GMT

Camilla is not Queen but Queen Consort.

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drizzellla — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 12:35:22 GMT

@10sluvr wrote:
they are like many families that have to adjust to, deaths, re-marriages and affairs. they just had the world watching them.

i sometimes forget that the queen had 4 children. at least, i don't hear anything about Prince Edward. Good or Bad.

He joined the Royal Marines but resigned his commission in 1987. He worked briefly for musical theatre composer Andrew Lloyd Webber before setting up his own theatrical production company. This collapsed in 1991 with debts of £600,000 (almost $1 million). In 1993 he set up Ardent Productions, Ltd., which survived, mainly through making programs about the royal family’s past history, though seldom earning profits, until it folded in 2009.

Despite these ups and downs, Edward won respect for his attempts to be the first child of a British monarch to seek a career in the private sector.

On June 19, 1999, Edward married Sophie Rhys-Jones (now Sophie, Countess of Wessex), a public-relations consultant. On the wedding day, the queen bestowed on Edward the title Earl of Wessex and Viscount Severn (the senior title represented a geographic reference that could be found only in history books, for Wessex had ceased to be a formal region of England many centuries earlier). Edward and Sophie had two children, Louise (born 2003) and James (born 2007).

Prince Edward took over many of the public engagements that Prince Philip had done, when Prince Philip started to slow down. Prince Philip.who was one of the busiest royals, with more than 22,000 solo appearances over the years.

Prince Edward is the only one of Queen Elizabeth's children that is not divorced.

PS - Now I know why the BBC interviewed Andrew Lloyd Webber during the Queen's funeral. I had the TV on in the background. So I did not hear about Prince Edward working for Andrew Lloyd Webber.

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Kachina624 — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 01:07:44 GMT

@ECBG wrote:
@Kachina624

I loved Diana and will never accept Camilla for what she did. She destroyed a marriage; in no book is that acceptable.

@ECBG I can't really say what I think of Camilla here but you've got to admit she came out smelling like a rose. She must be the success story of the year.

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Nonametoday — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 01:17:10 GMT

@drizzellla wrote:
I have not read anything about the book BUT I am adding my 2 cents.

I had heard a number of times that Andrew had supposedly been Queen Elizabeth's favorite. Not sure how people came to that conclusion but some people did.

Then a saw a documentary about Windsor Castle. And when they talked about the fire, one of the first statements was because of Prince Andrew many priceless items were saved. The firemen were trying to fight the fire. So Andrew called up the British Army and they removed paintings, rugs, furniture and as much as they could.

Prince Philip was in Argentina (I think, he was far away) and the Queen was in London. So Andrew took over trying to save as much as he could. There was film of him coordinating the removal of items.

Then you saw the Queen arriving. She looked so grateful that Andrew took charge.

I was impressed how he coordinated the work that had to be done.

@drizzellla

I had read once that Charles said the only problem with Andrew was that he wanted to be Charles: In that, he mentioned a courtship with Camilla before Charles met her (I think that is what it was) and that perhaps they had had a rift because Charles won her over. Yes, I can see Fergie and Diana plotting and scheming like that. They were very young and unable to handle their lives as they were laid out for them. I thought it sad that Charles did not marry Camilla in the first place, leave Diana out of this sordid affair. However, c'est la vie and "it is what it is." I like Angela Levin. I think she is a responsible author.

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Brisky — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 01:17:51 GMT

I think the Queen did the right thing. Charles and Camilla should be forgiven as everybody involved made many mistakes across the board.

They seem happy now.

Diana cheated also and with different men. She wasn't perfect and that's OK.
It's time they put the past behind them...

Life moves on....