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Food For Thought

Foxxee — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 04:10:06 GMT

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ThinkingOutLoud — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 04:15:54 GMT

Well isn't that interesting...

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hckynutjohn — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 04:26:46 GMT

And here I thought most people know how electricity is generated. And some areas of the country are already overloading their electrical grids.

Latest I heard, the Military vehicles will be going to electric. Hope they have a lot of charging stations out in those deserts.

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RoughDraft — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 05:05:22 GMT

@hckynutjohn Oh, I don't know. Perhaps wind turbines or solar panels?

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laluzdelmundo — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 05:37:21 GMT

Another way to look at electric vehicles, a 2019 Tesla 3 Standard Range (240 miles) has a battery capacity of 50 kWh. Using the cost of electricity at my house (standard rate, no time of day pricing), a kWh cost just under .15 cents an hour, which adds up to $7.40 to charge the Tesla's battery. Using last weekend's Costco gas price, to fill the tank of my non-electric Kia, it would cost $64.68. That should net me about the same mileage of 240.

I appreciate that my source of electricity is mainly natural gas, with some derived from geothermal, hydroelectric, and (unfortunately), still some coal. A major coal generating station was shut down in 2019, so that percentage is much lower now. Could not find anything that shows they use petroleum for generating electricity.

Wall Street Journal has not exactly jumped on the electric vehicle band wagon. In reality, there are environmental concerns with the manufacture and use of any vehicles, EV or combustion engine.

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Desertdi — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 06:29:20 GMT

@hckynutjohn Haven't seen ANY electric charging stations in MY corner of the desert... (And I have no plans of ever getting rid of my internal combustion engine!) di

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Foxxee — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:54:37 GMT

@laluzdelmundo wrote:

Could not find anything that shows they use petroleum for generating electricity.

@laluzdelmundo

According to EIA.gov, oil is still used to produce electricity, mostly in facilities built before 1980.

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hckynutjohn — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 06:54:34 GMT

@laluzdelmundo

What I hear is that "this is a global problem" concerning the environment. If so, how does it change this climate of the globe, just because it is not produced in the United States?

It is well documented that our country is far and away the cleanest when it comes to producing oil. I remember well, about 3 years ago, our country's Strategic Oil Reserve, was filled with oil costing about $25 per barrel. Now? Well over $100+ per barrel.

From what I understand, nickle and cobalt are used to make lithium ion batteries. Cobalt comes from mines, and from what I read, it is every kind of dangerous for those in the Congo that work in these mines.

I also wonder, when these batteries are used up, where and what method is used to dispose of them?

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Foxxee — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:03:50 GMT

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Cakers3 — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:24:26 GMT

There will be pros and cons regarding EV's.

There will be pros and cons regarding cars using gasoline.

Since the concept of EV's is not new-dating back decades-I find it more interesting that there is a grand push lately for everyone to get in line and purchase an EV.

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hckynutjohn — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:34:19 GMT

@Foxxee wrote:

@Foxxee

Must be one that froze up, was that in Texas where they froze? Just shoot a few gallons of WD40 on it and it's good to go?

Clean? Ever smell your hands after spraying that stuff? Talk about polluting!

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ValuSkr — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 08:03:15 GMT

Ummm, there are other ways to generate electricity. Renewable energy is the wave of the future - fortunately.

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hckynutjohn — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:58:00 GMT

@ValuSkr wrote:
Ummm, there are other ways to generate electricity. Renewable energy is the wave of the future - fortunately.

@ValuSkr

And they are, Coal/Nuclear and? In what century of the future? Better tell those States that have already had brownouts because of their overloaded electric grids.

When it's 100+°, the future doesn't mean much to most when it comes to AC on or Off. Guessing they prefer On, now, not the future.

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mimomof4 — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 10:54:02 GMT

I do find it ironic how EV and Wind Turbines are supposed to be saving the environment - yet both require considerable impact to the environment. Wind Turbines can NOT run without fossil fuels.

No one wants to think about what it takes to make the batteries for EV. Strip mining destroys the earth to gather the minerals needed to build the batteries. Basically - Oil is bad and destroying the Earth but destroying the Earth to build batteries is OK. It cracks me up.

EV are also generally not affordable for most nor are they family friendly vehicles.

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azgal — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 10:54:25 GMT

I think it's a bad idea to put all your eggs in one basket.

Requiring all vehicles to be electric is not a good idea.

A lot of the west's electricity is provided by hydroelectric power. How reliable will that power be with the drought ?

What will happen if the first responders vehicles are all electric and they can't charge them. Let alone the average person.

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Group 5 minus 1 — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:00:32 GMT

@hckynutjohn : Hubbs agrees w/ you!

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PamfromCT — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:22:57 GMT

Change is always a difficult process. No, I am not ready to buy an electric car. But I am glad to see forward thinking to combat our climate crisis. I suppose there might be some who want to deny that, but years of statistics do not lie.

Well up in years now, but my DH was one of those scientists involved in our first manned trip to the moon. And return. That was once thought to be impossible. Many years in the planning and toil, with a magnificent outcome.

On a funny note, our DS and family named their latest dog “Apollo” to honor my DH.

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Love to Run — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 11:57:37 GMT

Doesn't anybody fact check what they see on FB? Sheesh.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/13/fact-check-claim-errs-calculating-electric-car-charging-efficiency/6441054001/

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Johnnyeager — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 12:17:54 GMT

The average American is exceptionally uninformed as to how electricity is actually generated.

Coal, oil, natural gas are essential to the viability of their electric vehicles.

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Nancy Drew — Tue, 14 Jun 2022 12:16:15 GMT

The average American is woefully uninformed on this subject. Case in point. AES has a power plant in Huntington Beach California and the people voted in politicians who wanted the old power plant closed for environmental reasons. But ooopsi those same politicians have given a yearly extension for 20 years now because they have NO long standing, no non problematic alternative despite investing in clean alternatives, and they do enjoy their electricity. So either the climate citizens assume their city came up with some clean energy that the rest of the world doesn't know about or they don't care because their guy was voted in despite no change and they still get electricity. The only reason I know this is by someone on the inside certainly not main stream media.