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Train Rapist Claims Encounter Was Consensual

PickyPicky3 — Mon, 18 Oct 2021 22:53:08 GMT

Hey - Don't shoot the messenger.

Search SEPTA RAPE and see brand new Philadelphia Inquirer article with lots of details.

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eve45 — Mon, 18 Oct 2021 23:08:08 GMT

The same newspaper reports that there is a surveillance video shows that the victim did not consent. The victim maintains that she did not know her attacker. If I were a juror in a possible trial, I think that I would give more weight to the video.

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x Hedge — Mon, 18 Oct 2021 23:14:52 GMT

Thanks for the follow up @PickyPicky3 .

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grandma r — Mon, 18 Oct 2021 23:50:22 GMT

@PickyPicky3 consentual????? Sure that's the standard denial. Just look at all of the high profile cases. The SEPTA video shows the violence.

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MorningLover — Mon, 18 Oct 2021 23:55:55 GMT

A homeless man charged with raping a woman on a commuter train outside Philadelphia claimed the encounter was consensual, according to a report Monday.

Fiston Ngoy, 35, who has been charged with rape in Wednesday's attack aboard a Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority train, told Upper Darby police he had recognized the woman and tried to strike up a conversation, according to an affidavit of probable cause for his arrest obtained by the Philadelphia Inquirer.

Ngoy insisted the encounter with the woman, who told cops she was drunk and alone at the time, had been consensual.

But she said that version of events was false, telling investigators Ngoy ignored her pleas for him to go away.

Surveillance footage from inside the SEPTA train backed up the woman’s account, showing Ngoy spending nearly 45 minutes trying to touch and grope her prior the 10 p.m. Wednesday attack, the affidavit states..

~New York Post

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manny2 — Mon, 18 Oct 2021 23:59:42 GMT

Disgusting he needs to be behind bars. My heart goes out to the victim.

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Kachina624 — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:06:31 GMT

Hmmm, I wonder about the state of his credibility?

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SilleeMee — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:17:01 GMT

How credible is her statement if she was drunk? Sometimes people don't remember doing or saying things when they're drunk.

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manny2 — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:23:13 GMT

@SilleeMee wrote:
How credible is her statement if she was drunk? Sometimes people don't remember doing or saying things when they're drunk.

@SilleeMee I was really hoping that nobody would go there with the "she was drunk" comment. No is no drunk or not. Plus the incident is captured on video, and backs up her story.

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SilleeMee — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:34:01 GMT

@manny2 wrote:
@SilleeMee wrote:
How credible is her statement if she was drunk? Sometimes people don't remember doing or saying things when they're drunk.
@SilleeMee I was really hoping that nobody would go there with the "she was drunk" comment. No is no drunk or not. Plus the incident is captured on video, and backs up her story.

I haven't seen that video so I can't truthfully comment on that. But just based on what I read here about it, this could be a case of 'he-said-she-said'. I need to see that video for myself otherwise.

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Desertdi — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:44:18 GMT

So.........is it legal to have --- on a train in PA ???? The perp must have a few loose marbles.

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Tinkrbl44 — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:49:27 GMT

I'm going to take the time to see the video, but based on comments here .... IMO he's either crazy, stupid ... or both.

Who IS this homeless guy .... what's his story?

If this were to actually go to trial, what can he say about this woman who he's saying it was consensual .... so, he knows her, right? What can he tell about this woman whom he knows well enough to have consensual relations.

Or is he just stupid .... surely everyone knows THERE ARE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE. So, stupid.

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PickyPicky3 — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 01:04:32 GMT

The thing that bothers me is the assailant was pestering this woman for over thirty minutes before he actually raped her.

Why didn't she get up and move to another seat? She admitted she had been drinking, but she probably didn't even enter the train until maybe twenty minutes after leaving the bar. She should have been sobering up enough to have some awareness of the need to leave. Makes me wonder if there might be some drug usage involved.

I'm not blaming the victim, but we are all responsible for maximizing our personal safety.

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Kitty Galore — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 01:22:08 GMT

i haven't seen the video either , but I believe the women if she claims she was raped . i still can't get over that no one on that train helped her, What is becoming of our society to not even call 911 or anything !!!

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maximillian — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 01:22:25 GMT

NO means NO. How many more centuries have to pass by until people get this?

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Lucky Charm — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 01:28:03 GMT

I was hoping that a video wouldn't be made public for anyone to see someone victimized. That should be kept private for law enforcement and those in a courtroom.

The Philadelphia Inquirer just posted an article saying that passengers aimed their smartphones at the attack.

Pigs all of them.

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chrystaltree — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 01:30:15 GMT

Of course. What else can he say? I suppose he could have said she raped him but they have the surveillance video.

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gertrudecloset — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 01:34:18 GMT

I am not surprised this poor excuse for a man would say this. Date rapers say the same thing (she wanted it). He can forget it. There is evidence and he's going to jail. His arcse won't be homeless then, will he?

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gertrudecloset — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 01:37:20 GMT

@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
I'm going to take the time to see the video, but based on comments here .... IMO he's either crazy, stupid ... or both.

Who IS this homeless guy .... what's his story?

If this were to actually go to trial, what can he say about this woman who he's saying it was consensual .... so, he knows her, right? What can he tell about this woman whom he knows well enough to have consensual relations.

Or is he just stupid .... surely everyone knows THERE ARE CAMERAS EVERYWHERE. So, stupid.

Who is the homeless guy? What's his story?

HE'S A HOMELESS GUY who just violated a woman. That's HIS story! You need to make him more than he is?

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gertrudecloset — Tue, 19 Oct 2021 01:40:42 GMT

@PickyPicky3 wrote:
The thing that bothers me is the assailant was pestering this woman for over thirty minutes before he actually raped her.

Why didn't she get up and move to another seat? She admitted she had been drinking, but she probably didn't even enter the train until maybe twenty minutes after leaving the bar. She should have been sobering up enough to have some awareness of the need to leave. Makes me wonder if there might be some drug usage involved.

I'm not blaming the victim, but we are all responsible for maximizing our personal safety.

She should have not have had to move @PickyPicky3 . I do see your point, but perhaps she thought he'd just stop. Or at the very least continue to pester and not attempt to rape her. Women get cat called and have all manner of derogatory things said to them in the streets and other places. No means no. Periodttttttttt. She's the victim ya know!