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It is amazing that...

SeaMaiden — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:53:04 GMT

Growing up we had no phones... no internet... especially no phones IN SCHOOL...

And yet, we got a man to walk on the moon...... without phones or internet... and barely any computers to speak of. Just using our brains.

Why do kids need phones in school. I think it should not be allowed. Just do the school work NO PHONES.

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LuvmyLab — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:56:09 GMT

I totally agree! Technology can be good however it can also be our downfall. I do not understand people that live on their phones. I never use a cell phone. I keep a flip phone for emergencies only but never use it. Hubs has an iphone but doesn't live on it.

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4kitties — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:02:44 GMT

My daughters always had a cell phone in their bag when they were in school. If they abused this privilege they would face consequences. Sadly, there are incidents of violence in schools now, shootings and drugs and other things that never occurred, even in our wildest dreams, back when I was in school.

I wanted them to be able to summon help and let me know they were okay if something horrible should happen.

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Marp — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:04:33 GMT

Excerpt from: space.com/26630-apollo-11-vintage-tech-innovations.html

Computers

While the Apollo missions are best remembered for the computers the astronauts operated, there were several other important computers used for the mission. One example is the Saturn V computer that was used to guide the rocket into Earth orbit, automatically. NASA also had large computers on the ground that it could use for things like navigation corrections.

On lunar missions, however, the bulk of the attention was focused on the command module computer and the lunar module computers. The CM was in charge of navigating the crew between the Earth and the moon, while the LM did landings, ascents and rendezvous, according to NASA.

The CM and the LM each had a computer (with different software, but the same design) called the Primary Guidance, Navigation, and Control System (PGNCS, pronounced "pings"). The LM also had a computer which was a part of the Abort Guidance System, to give a backup if the PGNCS failed during the landing.

"Ground systems backed up the CM computer and its associated guidance system so that if the CM system failed, the spacecraft could be guided manually based on data transmitted from the ground," NASA stated. "If contact with the ground were lost, the CM system had autonomous return capability."

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SeaMaiden — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:10:00 GMT

@LuvmyLab wrote:
I totally agree! Technology can be good however it can also be our downfall. I do not understand people that live on their phones. I never use a cell phone. I keep a flip phone for emergencies only but never use it. Hubs has an iphone but doesn't live on it.

@LuvmyLab I have a flip phone too.... I never use it and only put it in my purse if I go shopping and the car breaks down or something. My Hubby has a smart phone and he LIVES on it.. tells me I need one... I tell him WHY?

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SeaMaiden — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:13:15 GMT

@4kitties wrote:
My daughters always had a cell phone in their bag when they were in school. If they abused this privilege they would face consequences. Sadly, there are incidents of violence in schools now, shootings and drugs and other things that never occurred, even in our wildest dreams, back when I was in school.

I wanted them to be able to summon help and let me know they were okay if something horrible should happen.

@4kitties I know that phones are now so much a part of the world now that it would be impossible to not let kids have them in school. And they do have their place.. but, I think they also become a distraction from learning and communicating during the school years. I do not know if there is a happy medium.... it is like the pandora's box has been opened and it is just too late now.

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SeaMaiden — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:15:29 GMT

@Marp wrote:

Excerpt from: space.com/26630-apollo-11-vintage-tech-innovations.html

Computers

While the Apollo missions are best remembered for the computers the astronauts operated, there were several other important computers used for the mission. One example is the Saturn V computer that was used to guide the rocket into Earth orbit, automatically. NASA also had large computers on the ground that it could use for things like navigation corrections.

On lunar missions, however, the bulk of the attention was focused on the command module computer and the lunar module computers. The CM was in charge of navigating the crew between the Earth and the moon, while the LM did landings, ascents and rendezvous, according to NASA.

The CM and the LM each had a computer (with different software, but the same design) called the Primary Guidance, Navigation, and Control System (PGNCS, pronounced "pings"). The LM also had a computer which was a part of the Abort Guidance System, to give a backup if the PGNCS failed during the landing.

"Ground systems backed up the CM computer and its associated guidance system so that if the CM system failed, the spacecraft could be guided manually based on data transmitted from the ground," NASA stated. "If contact with the ground were lost, the CM system had autonomous return capability."

@Marp I believe most of the earlier calculations were done by hand ...and then IBM came out with their mammoth sized computers.

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SilleeMee — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:32:30 GMT

I believe there will be a day, in the distant future, where education will be a matter of downloading info into our brains...no schooling needed.

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on the bay — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:49:27 GMT

I remember after 9/11, and then in 2012 Sandy Hook, parents esp wanted school children to have cell phones and in most they were allowed.

My youngest finally got one when in highschool so she could call me when time to pick her up from sports.

I was the last to get one-a flip phone after a road rage driver.

Then just a few years ago I finally got an iphone. It was a traumatic experience-going to the cell phone store several times almost in tears asking them how to work it.

But it is a whole new world and many good things come of all this technology but I do not like it when people cannot put them down and rely on them for entertainment distraction etc when with others or outside enjoying nature.

And people holding up cell phones at concerts-how can they really enjoy the concert or whatever!

It can definitely become an addiction-playing games, checking their facebook, instagram, tick toc etc every minute. That is sad.

And I know many like zoom, google duo etc but I am only willing to go so far. I don't really enjoy those-it is overwhelming to the senses. Factime is not so bad because you are usually seeing only a few and it enables grandparents and others to see the little ones when they might not be able to in person.

I guess everything can be misused.

But I don't discount it all.

And once we have something we would miss it maybe if we didn't have it. When we don't have it, like when we were young, I know we were perfectly happy without all this and probably wouldn't have wanted it if someone asked!

I used to not want a microwave or dishwasher, but now that I have them, I would miss them if I didn't.

And I would definitely miss my iphone esp for communicating with family by texts, facetime, email🥰

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QVCkitty1 — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:42:49 GMT

@SilleeMee wrote:
I believe there will be a day, in the distant future, where education will be a matter of downloading info into our brains...no schooling needed.

Darn it, I could have used that in math class !

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SeaMaiden — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:45:06 GMT

@QVCkitty1 wrote:
@SilleeMee wrote:
I believe there will be a day, in the distant future, where education will be a matter of downloading info into our brains...no schooling needed.
Darn it, I could have used that in math class !

ME TOO!

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SusieQ_2 — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:42:06 GMT

@SeaMaiden wrote:
@LuvmyLab wrote:
I totally agree! Technology can be good however it can also be our downfall. I do not understand people that live on their phones. I never use a cell phone. I keep a flip phone for emergencies only but never use it. Hubs has an iphone but doesn't live on it.
@LuvmyLab I have a flip phone too.... I never use it and only put it in my purse if I go shopping and the car breaks down or something. My Hubby has a smart phone and he LIVES on it.. tells me I need one... I tell him WHY?

Possibly for the same reason you spend your time posting on a shopping channel's message board--information & entertainment. Just a thought.

You're basically doing the same thing he does, using the internet, you just use a different medium. That's not to shade either of you, you'd likely say I "live" on my phone as well because I use it for so many things. I will say it's interesting, though, that people have such a hard time grasping that.

eta ~ happliy, when I say "people," the list is very short and the subject never seems to arise anywhere other than here.

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patbz — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:51:30 GMT

@SeaMaiden : My smartphone is my only phone. Except for maybe 5 calls daily I primarily use it to entertain myself in waiting rooms. So much better than nasty outdated magazines we used to have to settle for; sometimes I read a book on my device.

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mom2four0418 — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 17:58:07 GMT

@SeaMaiden wrote:
Growing up we had no phones... no internet... especially no phones IN SCHOOL...

And yet, we got a man to walk on the moon...... without phones or internet... and barely any computers to speak of. Just using our brains.

Why do kids need phones in school. I think it should not be allowed. Just do the school work NO PHONES.

We "got a man to walk on the moon" without computers or phones? Seriously?

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patbz — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:05:33 GMT

@SeaMaiden : The U.S. Government got its first mainframe computer, Univac I, in the early 1950s ( my Dad worked on it at Census Bureau) and moon shoot was in 1969. You don't think that mainframe computers ( currently still being used by DoD, Census, IRS etc) were an important component in a successful moon shot? Cell phones and tablets don't do it all!

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ECBG — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:06:36 GMT

I think if a student's cell phone is in their book bag and kept out of sight, it's alright.

Unfortunately, there here have been disasters where a student's cell phone was used to alert authorities.

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mspatmac — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:27:00 GMT

I feel the same as @4kitties and my grands all had cell phones with limited capabilities in grammar school and the peace of mind for parents is well worth it. The world is a different place today then it was when most of us went to school. None of the schools allow phones on during class/study time so learning is not impacted. So many other pluses, to numerous to mention.

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SusieQ_2 — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:35:44 GMT

To be fair, @SeaMaiden mentioned not having the internet during early space flights though I'm pretty sure we did have phones, lol.

However, I have to say, I never understand these anti-technology threads. Simply because we survived and did some really cool things before computers, the internet, and smartphones were commonly used why would we want to go backward?

That just makes no sense at all.

eta ~ I just went back and read the OP and it turns out the comment included "barely any computers to speak of...just using our brains."

So much for trying to be fair.

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JJsMom — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:33:52 GMT

@mom2four0418 wrote:
@SeaMaiden wrote:
Growing up we had no phones... no internet... especially no phones IN SCHOOL...

And yet, we got a man to walk on the moon...... without phones or internet... and barely any computers to speak of. Just using our brains.

Why do kids need phones in school. I think it should not be allowed. Just do the school work NO PHONES.

We "got a man to walk on the moon" without computers or phones? Seriously?

Now I know why the phrase "ok boomer" was invented.

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SeaMaiden — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:39:33 GMT

@SusieQ_2 wrote:
To be fair, @SeaMaiden mentioned not having the internet during early space flights though I'm pretty sure we did have phones, lol.

However, I have to say, I never understand these anti-technology threads. Simply because we survived and did some really cool things before computers, the internet, and smartphones were commonly used why would we want to go backward?

That just makes no sense at all.

eta ~ I just went back and read the OP and it turns out the comment included "barely any computers to speak of...just using our brains."

So much for trying to be fair.

I was talking about the smart phones today.