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New Study on COVID 19 Immunity

QueenDanceALot — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:44:47 GMT

From the UK.

Study says immunity lasts 3 weeks to a few months.

Sorry, it's not good news. But it is important to know.

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Bhvbum — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:05:08 GMT

@QueenDanceALot wrote:
From the UK.

Study says immunity lasts 3 weeks to a few months.

Sorry, it's not good news. But it is important to know.

More info in another article on same subject:

“These reports highlight the need to develop strong vaccines, because immunity that develops naturally during infection is suboptimal and short-lived in most people,” Akiko Iwasaki, a viral immunologist at Yale University who was not involved in either study, tells The New York Times.

Re: New Study on COVID 19 Immunity

gizmogal — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:06:56 GMT

Yes, I read that those coming to donate blood to provide antibodies for Covid therapy are finding out that, over time, they show less and less antibody density.

Tom Hanks and his wife have donated antibodies twice and in one of his recent interviews he said he was told their blood revealed almost no presence of antibodies at their last visit to a blood center.

Though immunity may not last more than a few months, it remains to be seen if the body will be stimulated to rebuild important antibodies once being re-exposed. This is one of the factors that makes the vaccine so important. It has to provide lasting resistance to Covid-19. It might need booster shots the way tetanus and other vaccines work, but any defense against Covid-19 has to last more than a few months.

This is a very dangerous disease.

Re: New Study on COVID 19 Immunity

esmerelda — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:45:36 GMT

@QueenDanceALot Do you have details about the study? Who did it? How? You know..details.

Re: New Study on COVID 19 Immunity

MildredM — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:47:04 GMT

Studies have found that although the density of antibodies decrease over time there is T-Cell memory which also offers protection to the virus.

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suzyQ3 — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:47:14 GMT

Even though my daughter and her family all had Covid, she still warned is about staying away or at least social distancing. I think she has had doubts about relying on immunity from the beginning.

Re: New Study on COVID 19 Immunity

suzyQ3 — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:49:47 GMT

@suzyQ3 wrote:
Even though my daughter and her family all had Covid, she still warned is about staying away or at least social distancing. I think she has had doubts about relying on immunity from the beginning.

I should add that her and our doubt stems from the fact that we have been in this mess a relatively short period of time, too short to know whether we can rely on immunity.

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KarenQVC — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:52:40 GMT

We will be in this pickle for quite a while. We let covid get the best of us. I hope we learn from this debacle.

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rms1954 — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 01:17:58 GMT

All these studies and tests, but still no answers.

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suzyQ3 — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 01:28:45 GMT

@rms1954 wrote:
All these studies and tests, but still no answers.

That's the nature of the young beast, @rms1954. But really, we do know much more than we did six months ago. Doctors have found what works better and what doesn't when it comes to treatment. And we also know a lot more about transmission.

Re: New Study on COVID 19 Immunity

tansy — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 03:31:23 GMT

@esmerelda wrote:
@QueenDanceALot Do you have details about the study? Who did it? How? You know..details.

Google UK study Covid 19. You can study the results at your leisure.

Re: New Study on COVID 19 Immunity

debcakes — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 01:51:37 GMT

Yes, I am pretty sure that I had it early on back in February, before we even had tests in my state. We also weren't hearing about the virus and its symptoms non stop like we were a couple of weeks later. Therefore I was not tested. I went last a Friday to get the antibody test and am negative for antibodies. So, either I didn't have it or the antibodies don't last.

Re: New Study on COVID 19 Immunity

willdob3 — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 02:33:53 GMT

@QueenDanceALot wrote:
From the UK.

Study says immunity lasts 3 weeks to a few months.

Sorry, it's not good news. But it is important to know.

@QueenDanceALot There will be exceptions, too, where it doesn’t even last 3 weeks and others where it lasts longer than a few months. Also, the virus changes and antibodies will, too.

The report verifies what doctors have been reporting for quite some time. Antibodies from having had COVID-19 are not going to be helpful to those who have had it.

I honestly hope no one is holding their breath for a miracle vaccine because it is highly unlikely to happen. Ever. Just being realistic. A mutating virus will be a guessing game. Better put the eggs in the treatment basket.

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Lion — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 03:14:55 GMT

I heard about this on the news today. This virus gets more and more frightening the more we learn about it.

I wonder how long before life will go back to 'normal'. Or even if.

I wish everyone would take this seriously, for the good of all.

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Drythe — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 06:02:49 GMT

@Lion wrote:
I heard about this on the news today. This virus gets more and more frightening the more we learn about it.

I wonder how long before life will go back to 'normal'. Or even if.

I wish everyone would take this seriously, for the good of all.

@Lion

Sadly, I think our ‘new normal’ will be very different.

Re: New Study on COVID 19 Immunity

gardenman — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:17:32 GMT

Can we ever get back to normal? Absolutely. This virus is very selective. It's targeting a very specific set of people for the worst outcome. For most people, a reported 95% (though the real-world number is likely higher) it presents with no, or very minor symptoms. Those it hits hardest, young and old alike, are likely to have a genetic susceptibility that the virus is exploiting. If we can identify that vulnerability then we can focus on ways to address it.

It doesn't matter if you get the virus once, twice, or fifty times if it doesn't present any major symptoms. and this virus doesn't present major symptoms for the vast majority of those infected. Identifying those most at risk and finding ways to protect them should let everyone get back to normal. There are four related coronaviruses that cause the common cold. The Covid-19 virus could quickly become just another nuisance virus and not a major issue if we can identify those most vulnerable and find a way to protect them.

What we're seeing playing out in real-time in the real world is Darwinian evolution. The weak and those vulnerable to the virus are being eliminated while the stronger/less vulnerable are surviving just fine. We're just not used to seeing Darwinian evolution play out in real-time among humans. We're used to being in control, or having the illusion we're in control. God, Mother Nature, fate, whatever is reminding us we're not really in control.

In some ways we're lucky. This virus is letting 95+% survive while less than 5% suffer the worst fate. It could have just as easily been the opposite with a small percentage of the population having a genetic advantage that let them survive a viral disaster that killed 95+% of the rest of humanity.

Identifying why some are more vulnerable, likely a genetic issue of some sort given the wildly varying death rates worldwide and finding a patch for that should let everyone get back to normal and turn Covid-19 into nothing more than another nuisance virus.

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CrazyDaisy — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:38:11 GMT

Cannot wait to see what tomorrow's new study will tell us.

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golding76 — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:46:01 GMT

gardenman,

I'd love to believe all that you have written. I want to believe it. When, and if, someone with the proper credentials officially reports what you have written, I will feel some measure of relief. Until then, I am skeptical and fearful of this wicked virus.

Re: New Study on COVID 19 Immunity

QueenDanceALot — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:04:39 GMT

@esmerelda wrote:
@QueenDanceALot Do you have details about the study? Who did it? How? You know..details.

@esmerelda

As @tansy answered, you can google it.

Easy Peasy.

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QueenDanceALot — Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:12:42 GMT

@gardenman wrote:
Can we ever get back to normal? Absolutely. This virus is very selective. It's targeting a very specific set of people for the worst outcome. For most people, a reported 95% (though the real-world number is likely higher) it presents with no, or very minor symptoms. Those it hits hardest, young and old alike, are likely to have a genetic susceptibility that the virus is exploiting. If we can identify that vulnerability then we can focus on ways to address it.

It doesn't matter if you get the virus once, twice, or fifty times if it doesn't present any major symptoms. and this virus doesn't present major symptoms for the vast majority of those infected. Identifying those most at risk and finding ways to protect them should let everyone get back to normal. There are four related coronaviruses that cause the common cold. The Covid-19 virus could quickly become just another nuisance virus and not a major issue if we can identify those most vulnerable and find a way to protect them.

What we're seeing playing out in real-time in the real world is Darwinian evolution. The weak and those vulnerable to the virus are being eliminated while the stronger/less vulnerable are surviving just fine. We're just not used to seeing Darwinian evolution play out in real-time among humans. We're used to being in control, or having the illusion we're in control. God, Mother Nature, fate, whatever is reminding us we're not really in control.

In some ways we're lucky. This virus is letting 95+% survive while less than 5% suffer the worst fate. It could have just as easily been the opposite with a small percentage of the population having a genetic advantage that let them survive a viral disaster that killed 95+% of the rest of humanity.

Identifying why some are more vulnerable, likely a genetic issue of some sort given the wildly varying death rates worldwide and finding a patch for that should let everyone get back to normal and turn Covid-19 into nothing more than another nuisance virus.

@gardenman

"If" the virus doesn't present major problems for those who survive.

It's looking as though that might not be the case.

I think seeing this as natural selection is just guessing, without concrete data to back it up. And it does make me wince to think people are blowing it off as "well, the strong survive, get used to it".