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COVID Discussion With A Nurse

ECBG — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:07:37 GMT

A wonderful client of ours came into the store today. She is a nurse at our large hospital. I asked her about what is going on with COVID and she said the numbers are skewed, which I have read here on the boards.

If someone comes in from a car wreck and happens to test positive; later, he dies from the wreck injuries, because he tested positive for COVID, he is counted as a COVID death not injuries from the wreck that took his life!!!!!! AMAZING!!!

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Anonymous032819 — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:11:07 GMT

@ECBG wrote:
A wonderful client of ours came into the store today. She is a nurse at our large hospital. I asked her about what is going on with COVID and she said the numbers are skewed, which I have read here on the boards.

If someone comes in from a car wreck and happens to test positive; later, he dies from the wreck injuries, because he tested positive for COVID, he is counted as a COVID death not injuries from the wreck that took his life!!!!!! AMAZING!!!

@ECBG

This does not come as a surprise to me.

In fact, some of us have been saying that this is what's happening, for a while now.

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happycat — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:13:13 GMT

I have heard this too, but never known anyone personally who was stating it. Thank you for sharing, @ECBG.

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germanshepherdlove — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:13:55 GMT

This is why elective surgeries were cancelled to avoid healthy people from getting it. Anyone who steps foot into a hospital is apparently at risk of getting covid.

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ThinkingOutLoud — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:14:37 GMT

@ECBG wrote:
A wonderful client of ours came into the store today. She is a nurse at our large hospital. I asked her about what is going on with COVID and she said the numbers are skewed, which I have read here on the boards.

If someone comes in from a car wreck and happens to test positive; later, he dies from the wreck injuries, because he tested positive for COVID, he is counted as a COVID death not injuries from the wreck that took his life!!!!!! AMAZING!!!

And hopefully it will be a red flag to people so they start wondering why that would be happening...

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Janey2 — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:15:42 GMT

This is not a new issue. It has been an ethical issue before COVID. If a patient has 2 or more things wrong with him/her and dies what is written on the death certificate? Doctors have been discussing this topic forever.

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Linmo — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:17:20 GMT

@germanshepherdlove wrote:
This is why elective surgeries were cancelled to avoid healthy people from getting it. Anyone who steps foot into a hospital is apparently at risk of getting covid.

@germanshepherdlove I think the primary reason for the cancellation of elective surgeries is to keep hospitals from becoming overwhelmed by the surge in COVID hospitalizations.

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ThinkingOutLoud — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:18:31 GMT

@Janey2 wrote:
This is not a new issue. It has been an ethical issue before COVID. If a patient has 2 or more things wrong with him/her and dies what is written on the death certificate? Doctors have been discussing this topic forever.

You really don't see a difference between someone who has cancer and then gets pneumonia (for instance) vs someone in a car wreck who tests positive covid?? Really??

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germanshepherdlove — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:19:30 GMT

@Linmo wrote:
@germanshepherdlove wrote:
This is why elective surgeries were cancelled to avoid healthy people from getting it. Anyone who steps foot into a hospital is apparently at risk of getting covid.
@germanshepherdlove I think the primary reason for the cancellation of elective surgeries is to keep hospitals from becoming overwhelmed by the surge in COVID hospitalizations.

good point..

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AuntG — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:20:30 GMT

While I don't know how they should count those things, I believe you are right. We know of a twenty-two year old that was drunk, hit a tree, was thrown from his truck and paralyzed. His Covid is mild, but the family was told if he dies, it would be counted as a Covid death.

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ValuSkr — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:21:24 GMT

Why would they list his death as due to COVID rather than due to the car accident? It doesn't make sense. But I assume they're motivated by something.

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noodleann — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:25:23 GMT

@ECBG wrote:
A wonderful client of ours came into the store today. She is a nurse at our large hospital. I asked her about what is going on with COVID and she said the numbers are skewed, which I have read here on the boards.

If someone comes in from a car wreck and happens to test positive; later, he dies from the wreck injuries, because he tested positive for COVID, he is counted as a COVID death not injuries from the wreck that took his life!!!!!! AMAZING!!!

Did this nurse give you any sense of the proportion of such COVID-labeled deaths to bona fide COVID deaths?

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Lovemymaltese — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:35:05 GMT

@ValuSkr Yeah, money... I tried making this point months ago and someone on this blog was so rude to me. I have a front row seat here in California(Silicon Valley).

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Snowpuppy — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:38:15 GMT

@ValuSkr wrote:
Why would they list his death as due to COVID rather than due to the car accident? It doesn't make sense. But I assume they're motivated by something.

There are exactly $100B reasons for it tucked away in the CARES act.

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KarenQVC — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:49:08 GMT

@AuntG

Doesn't that strike you as an odd conversation to have when your son is in that condition?

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Puppy Lips — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:51:52 GMT

@ECBG I made that point in another thread on the virus and of course was told I was wrong. My nurse friend, who works in palliative care told me that. If anyone would know, she would. No reason to not believe her. So I don’t think the deaths are as high as they say.

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ThinkingOutLoud — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:54:35 GMT

Re: motivation -

- Hospitals want $$

- The 'experts' don't want to look so stupid for shutting down the country

- Politicians want certain outcomes and use numbers for leverage

- Some factions want to scare people into getting a dangerous vaccine

hopefully this is generic enough not to get reported/deleted

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lrmuffin — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:52:26 GMT

Well, I am a RN at a nyc hospital that in March and April was 90% covid.

I didn't see any asymptomatic patients admitted.
some patients didn't know they had covid and were admitted with heart attacks, strokes and cardiac arrests. Covid is known to cause blood clots causing strokes , and pulmonary embolisms and blood clots causing death of a limb.

We had many patients with oxygen saturations in the 80s who said they felt ok. Normal oxygen saturation is 95 to 100%. Someone with saturation that low can be alert and not look that bad with covid. If I hadn't witnessed it with my own eyes, I wouldn't believe it. However, with an oxygen level that low, their reasoning and thinking is not conducive to driving. I can see that leading to accidents.

so before dismissing a motor vehicle accident death to someone who has covid but seems ok, I would want more information.

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stuyvesant — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:54:10 GMT

I'm sure there are glitches in reporting covid deaths. This is new. There is no playbook. The car accident being counted as covid, if that is really true, is ridiculous.

You could discount all the institutional covid deaths if you want. The first person to die in my state of covid was an 84 year old woman with emphysema. Maybe a cold could have tipped her over.

I don't know, but I would guess there are hospices that have had covid outbreaks and possibly had a bunch of people die in one week who might have all taken several weeks usuallly.

I've read about very elderly people in nursing homes described as in general good health who died of covid. But maybe a cold could have tipped them over.

But nothing has innundated our hospitals like covid. That's fairly undeniable.

And by the way, hospitals make their money from elective surgery, not labor intensive covid patients.

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summerbreeze44 — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 01:56:04 GMT

Maybe the car accident was caused by symptoms of COVID. We'll never know.