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Family getting together

qvcaddition — Tue, 26 May 2020 17:37:18 GMT

My daughter, gave a big pool party Sat. Friend, family, including my great grand kids. I didn,t go. I asked my son why, they didn,t wear mask, or keep distance. He said, they want to live there lives. I said maybe death. This seems to be the norm now. My daughter 58, sons 59 and 60. I can,t believe how stupid.

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Love my grandkids — Tue, 26 May 2020 17:38:18 GMT

@qvcaddition Stupidity is sad, huh? And when one of the family or a guest comes down with the virus, who will get the blame? And odds are someone will. Glad you and DH were smart enough to stay away. And exposing kids to this is criminal in my opinion.

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Travone — Tue, 26 May 2020 17:47:56 GMT

Are they self isolating for the next two weeks, or will they go out and possible spread contamination to others they may come in contact with?

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Bhvbum — Tue, 26 May 2020 17:51:23 GMT

I think this question has been asked before and it certainly pertains to my family, if I have been very strictly in quarantine, and if my family has been very strictly in quarantine, shouldn't we be able to get together with social distancing and without masks?

We had a family picnic a couple of weeks ago and did this in a spot where there was no one even in sight. All of us back in quarantine and two weeks later nothing has happened.

Has anyone else done this?

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Kachina624 — Tue, 26 May 2020 17:48:41 GMT

@qvcaddition It would seem that we, with more experience and wisdom, view this pandemic situation with a different eye than the "younger generation". I too, don't understand their blase attitude or lack of concern. I just hope you stay far away from them in the future.

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mamaslittlepotato — Tue, 26 May 2020 17:48:47 GMT

I don’t know when some people (not just your family) will understand just how selfish, inconsiderate and immature they’re being. I guess maybe when it’s too late and hits close to home.

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qvcfreak — Tue, 26 May 2020 17:51:54 GMT

@Kachina624 I agree with you but her children aren't young, late 50's early 60's.

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suzyQ3 — Tue, 26 May 2020 17:54:21 GMT

From HuffPost:

A surge of coronavirus infections in Alabama didn’t deter people from descending on the state’s beaches over Memorial Day weekend, according to local media reports.

Footage that CNN aired on Monday’s broadcast of “Anderson Cooper 360” showed Gulf Shores beach busy with people. None wore masks, per CNN national correspondent Gary Tuchman, and those interviewed were defiant in the face of the virus that’s killed more than 550 people in the state. Alabama eased lockdown restrictions on Friday.

Almost 100,000 people have now died from the virus nationwide.

Restaurants, bars and stores in the city were also busy, with many visitors failing to observe social distancing measures. Some restaurant staff did also not wear masks, according to CNN.

“My family has the same mindset as me,” one man on the beach told Tuchman. “We kind of just agreed that if we get it, we get it, we’re going to handle it as a family and just get over it because that’s what family does.”

One woman said: “Everybody has got to go somehow. I don’t want to die but, I mean, if that’s what God has in store for my life, then that’s OK.”

Others falsely likened COVID-19 to seasonal influenza and suggested “there’s enough wind and air that’s going to clear it out of the way” on the beach ― claims that Tuchman debunked.

Another man cited...refusal to wear a mask, “If he’s not wearing a mask, I’m not going to wear a mask,” said the man. “If he’s not worried, I’m not worried.”

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Travone — Tue, 26 May 2020 17:56:42 GMT

I have noticed that many people have become very selective about this virus. They only apply the social distancing in certain situations. For instance I've noticed:

1) In my grocery store, you can only catch the virus in the checkout lane. The same person who glares at you if you are within 10 feet of them in line will stand right next to you and reach over you to grab something in the produce section before you do.

2) You aren't able to catch the virus on certain days, for instance, Easter, Mother's Day and Memorial Day there is no need for social distancing. So I guess that means you can't catch the virus on those days.

Bottom line is some people are and always will be stupid. Perhaps when they catch the virus because of their carelessness they will think differently. Until then, we have to watch out for ourselves and do our best to stay away from these selfish people while starting to live our own lives with precautions.

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Sooner — Tue, 26 May 2020 18:00:27 GMT

@qvcaddition wrote:
My daughter, gave a big pool party Sat. Friend, family, including my great grand kids. I didn,t go. I asked my son why, they didn,t wear mask, or keep distance. He said, they want to live there lives. I said maybe death. This seems to be the norm now. My daughter 58, sons 59 and 60. I can,t believe how stupid.

@qvcaddition Don't worry. I'm sure they are saying the same thing about you. There is enough conflicting information to go around to support any view you want. And lots of room for all of us to not think we are the only ones on the planet who are right due to the information we believe and the choices we make.

Everything we do is a risk and we all chose our own tolerances. I live in Oklahoma. I've gone to the storm shelter a lot in my live; relatives have NEVER gone and we are both alive. I don't know how things work, but they do so live and let live.

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Tessa Mendoza — Tue, 26 May 2020 18:08:49 GMT

Wish I could say this surprises me but unfortunately it doesn't, given what I have seen lately.

Again, as has been said over and over, I will never understand how wearing a mask and keeping some distance impedes anyone's ability to enjoy their life. Imagine if they really had hardships to endure. So many would not be able to handle it.

I'm glad you kept away from this party.

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CrazyDaisy — Tue, 26 May 2020 18:15:00 GMT

Good for them, outside activities are much safer than being inside. Must have felt good to get out and have fun with family and friends.

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Anonymous032819 — Tue, 26 May 2020 18:17:35 GMT

They're willing to accept the risk.

Come back in two weeks and tell us if anybody got sick or not.

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sunshine45 — Tue, 26 May 2020 19:09:01 GMT

delaware has now opened up short term rentals and eating in restaurants (30% capacity) as of june 1st. pools can be open at 20% capacity also. people on the beach are supposed to be spread 10 feet apart. this weekend it was being done, but now that the short term rentals are opening up it will be more crowded.

if you dont want to be around that, then the best thing to do is to stay home or only go where you know it MIGHT be safe. actually, is there really any safe place at this time other than your own home, where you can control who goes in or out?

adults have to make their own choices as to how much they want to be out, how much they want to be exposed to, if they will wear masks (even if not required), what types of functions they will go to, if they will allow visitors, and how much shopping or errands they will be doing.

it will not totally disappear and there will be no vaccine anytime soon.

the choice is yours......i refuse to call anyone "stupid" who wants to be out again and wants to begin having a more normal way of life again. if you dont want to be around them, then dont.

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Tadaki — Tue, 26 May 2020 18:27:09 GMT

What surprises me is that people are so set in their ways they can't do something different for one summer.

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golding76 — Tue, 26 May 2020 18:25:04 GMT

[Some perspective on the Pandemic of 2020, the Pandemic of 1918, SARS and lessons learned. I found the writer credible. COMPLIANCE DOES MATTER.]

How to avoid a second wave of infections

The Ocean Grove beach in New Jersey on Friday. (Eduardo Munoz/Reuters)

By John M. Barry

May 22, 2020 at 5:45 p.m. EDT

John M. Barry is author of The Great Influenza: the story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History and a professor at the Tulane University School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine.

All 50 states have now started to come out of lockdown, in many cases without meeting White House guidelines and without adequate testing and contact tracing capacity. So how can we minimize deaths in this new reality — and prevent a potentially explosive new wave? Lessons of the past — and what we have learned from our present condition — provide some guidance.

First, Americans should consider what they have accomplished. Most states locked down in mid-March. Three weeks later on April 7 — roughly the date when statistics began to reflect the effects of controls — deaths totaled 12,757, with cases and deaths doubling every 6.5 days. Had the disease maintained that pace, some 500,000 Americans would have died by now; worse, the virus would have been so widely disseminated that control would have been impossible and we might have eventually exceeded the worst-case projections of 2 million deaths.

Instead, at this writing, we are approaching 100,000 deaths. This is a terrible number compared with that in such countries as South Korea, which reacted swiftly and suffered only 264 deaths in a population of 51 million; or even Germany, which started slowly but quickly got ahead of the virus and has seen 8,219 deaths in a population of 83 million. But it also represents enormous progress given our initial trajectory.

We have also flattened, though not turned fully downward, the pandemic curve, and according to a Morgan Stanley model, we have extended the time it takes to double cases to 46 days.

In the 1918 influenza pandemic, many U.S. cities closed for business, then reopened too soon, and when the disease surged back, had to close down again. Some cities did this three times. To avoid that, and more importantly, to avoid a surge so large that it might become uncontrollable, we should consider our experience from 1918, from SARS and from current observations to guide our path.

In 1918, a study of Army training camps compared the few installations which made no attempt to control the flu with those that imposed isolation and quarantine, but also failed to sustain rigid enforcement over a period of weeks. The study found no difference in either sickness, deaths, or even peak stress on camp hospitals — but the study also reported that the very few camps which had maintained rigid controls saw benefits. Civilians, who even in densely populated places are far more spread out today than soldiers were in overcrowded World War I barracks, should benefit from control measures.

SARS also teaches a lesson about best practices. Health-care workers accounted for 21 percent of SARS cases worldwide and 51 percent of cases in Toronto. At the George W. Bush administration’s very first meeting held to develop recommendations to mitigate a pandemic, the infection control chief from the single hospital in the world with the best record for protecting staff from SARS explained that he followed the same procedures as other hospitals, but he made certain his staff adhered to those procedures. They did not get sloppy. His people stayed healthy; elsewhere they got sick and many died.

The lesson in both cases: compliance matters.

Modern influenza studies also hold lessons. Influenza and covid-19 transmit the same way, and a careful study of seasonal influenza transmission found that a combination of masks and hand-washing reduced illness dramatically after six weeks, while an analysis of multiple studies of mask use and hand-washing during the 2009 swine flu pandemic concluded the same thing: the combination of the two provided significant protection.

Even more important in interrupting transmission is social distancing. Simply talking face to face seems to be a major mode of transmission. Although quantifiable data supporting that statement has not yet been extracted and analyzed, that is the view of an emerging consensus of public-health experts.

Distancing oneself, using masks, washing hands, taking such other preventive actions as avoiding public bathrooms (bowel movements and toilet flushing expel airborne virus), and, of course, staying home when sick are not magic bullets, but they all impact spread. As in army barracks in 1918, as in SARS among health-care workers, compliance matters.

Individuals who employ all these measures can greatly enhance their chances of avoiding infection, and, even in the absence of adequate testing and tracing, can have considerable impact on society-wide spread.

Such measures are not ideological, even if the great irony in this pandemic is that they have become so.

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Sooner — Tue, 26 May 2020 18:26:20 GMT

If you track the number of elderly people who are in great danger living alone and going against the wishes of their relatives, you'd have a huge number to be shocked about.

But you can't do anything about it. . . you very often can't get them to move until disaster strikes. And sometimes not even then.

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golding76 — Tue, 26 May 2020 18:31:42 GMT

For those who did not wish to read the article I posted, here is a paragraph culled from it; I think it important to know:

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spiderw — Tue, 26 May 2020 18:35:18 GMT

So much has been said about this pandemic on these posts, it's a continuous issue which has us all consumed and I do understand why.

After reading so many posts and also responding many times, I am seeing the same issues and division. There are those who just shrug this pandemic off and make their excuses why they won't wear a mask or why they won't keep social distance. Then there are those who do whatever it takes to protect themselves and others.

What happens to those who refuse to follow guidelines is their fate and time will tell . If lucky, few will be affected or none at all. But this virus spreads to others so each of those people crowding pools and bars and whatever take their own risks/ But when they all finish their recreation, what happens then. The risk of spreading the virus to others is there whether or not they care and that infringes upon my health and well being and all who are doing what is right.

People get annoyed when the word selfish is used, or how about irresponsible or reckless, there are many words to sum it up but perhaps stupid says it all.

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CrazyDaisy — Tue, 26 May 2020 18:41:19 GMT

@golding76 wrote:
For those who did not wish to read the article I posted, here is a paragraph culled from it; I think it important to know:

First, Americans should consider what they have accomplished. Most states locked down in mid-March. Three weeks later on April 7 — roughly the date when statistics began to reflect the effects of controls — deaths totaled 12,757, with cases and deaths doubling every 6.5 days. Had the disease maintained that pace, some 500,000 Americans would have died by now; worse, the virus would have been so widely disseminated that control would have been impossible and we might have eventually exceeded the worst-case projections of 2 million deaths.

What if scenarios are not something that should be posted as a certainty. Throwing out numbers like this are meaningless. They is nothing to back up his claim that this is what would have happened or what will happen. Nothing more than a nice story designed to perpetuate the authors theory.