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Non Essential = Disposable

CrazyDaisy — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:19:45 GMT

Granted the defination of a non essential business differs from State to State, yet why are so many treating these businesses/people as disposable? If they want to feed their family go stand in a soup line. Can't pay your bills, get government assistance. These were working productive citizens just weeks ago and most want to return to work. Keep hearing "save lives", what about these lives....reduced to begging for what the rest will share. These are the ones who are sacrificing and suffering.

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dex — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:30:16 GMT

Wow you gave me pause for thought.There have just been so many sacrifices over this last couple of months. I wonder how how we will ever get our lives back and if people will feel safe enough to support the reopenings.

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Deree — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:37:47 GMT

I don't think anyone is looking at them as "disposable". I think many are looking at them as not the priority at this time. To paraphrase my governor, Preserving human life (meaning saving people from dying) is more important than anything else right now. He continued by saying We WILL open - it's a matter of opening in the right way so that more lives will be saved. I'm with him.

I like to think I'm a pretty intelligent, productive and very marketable person. Yet I've had to collect unemployment three times in my life. Do you think I was happy about it? Of course not. But I certainly didn't consider it "begging". I did what I had to. It wasn't beneath me. And if I had to do something like that again to save lives I would.

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CrazyDaisy — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:43:43 GMT

@Deree wrote:
I don't think anyone is looking at them as "disposable". I think many are looking at them as not the priority at this time. To paraphrase my governor, Preserving human life (meaning saving people from dying) is more important than anything else right now. He continued by saying We WILL open - it's a matter of opening in the right way so that more lives will be saved. I'm with him.

I like to think I'm a pretty intelligent, productive and very marketable person. Yet I've had to collect unemployment three times in my life. Do you think I was happy about it? Of course not. But I certainly didn't consider it "begging". I did what I had to. It wasn't beneath me. And if I had to do something like that again to save lives I would.

I think that it is true that people like you will bounce back, yet a majority of those who are currently deemed "non - essential" do not have the skills or education you have. Many businesses will not open back up, many jobs will be lost permanently. Many of those people were low paid and just getting by before this whole thing started.

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Spurt — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:45:12 GMT

Our Governor is BOLD (Abbott) in trying to get people back to work, but our Mayor is WIMPY (Ron) N.) ---it seems the lines at the Food Bank dont impress him much....but at least our city doesnt arrest people trying to get their businesses open....like the cities north of us!!! Slowly people are going back to work, but will others come out of hiding to support them....thats another question.....

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millieshops — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:45:41 GMT

@CrazyDaisyIf there's going to be anything good about how this pandemic plays out, I fear we won't know that until history is written 15 or 20 years or more from now.

But just before I flicked on my laptop, I read a letter to the editor in my local paper in which the writer blames the media for the fear and frenzy. He'd have kept the nation open and sacrificed those who contracted the disease and suffered.

If only in real time we could know how that would have played out!

Nobody's disposible but different people do choose different victims and may not even consciously know someone will die because of that choice - will it be Ned on the meat-packing line or Molly in the nursing home? Will it be the waitress who can't find a job now or the Vietnam veteran saying a final good-bye via someone's iPad?

I can suppose all I want to - I have no natural control the way the virus does but I also have no governmental control or voice so what I decide affects only me in a way - i wouldn't do well at all deciding who should bear the loss more than I personally do.

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haddon9 — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:51:08 GMT

@CrazyDaisy I agree with you! I can't imagine how those people are dealing with this disaster!...and it's only going to get worse for many.

The sad part is that those who are out of work can't even begin to look for other jobs because of the competition and the fact that there are almost no jobs to be had! Unemployment and the $600.00 extra a week can only go so far and last so long.

Many businesses will not return.

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Caaareful Shopper — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:47:47 GMT

@Deree wrote:
I don't think anyone is looking at them as "disposable". I think many are looking at them as not the priority at this time. To paraphrase my governor, Preserving human life (meaning saving people from dying) is more important than anything else right now. He continued by saying We WILL open - it's a matter of opening in the right way so that more lives will be saved. I'm with him.

I like to think I'm a pretty intelligent, productive and very marketable person. Yet I've had to collect unemployment three times in my life. Do you think I was happy about it? Of course not. But I certainly didn't consider it "begging". I did what I had to. It wasn't beneath me. And if I had to do something like that again to save lives I would.

@Deree Unfortunately, there have been many -- some elected officials of varying levels, some so-called protesters, some who still think present circumstances are just blown out of proportion -- who have said those workers are disposable. It's more than a crying shame, it's unconscionable.

That's totally different from Open in the right way. I'm with that too.

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Deree — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:47:57 GMT

@CrazyDaisy I hear what you're saying. Despite the sentence you bolded I have had to sacrifice much in my lifetime. That sentence is not the whole story -- I've had plenty of unplanned expenses and it has always been a struggle to keep afloat anyhow. Thanks to my planning and understanding the importance of saving for a rainy day I came out ok. Perhaps I'm judging others here (well too bad) but I think too many people live beyond their means don't plan ahead and wind up in trouble.

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CrazyDaisy — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:48:43 GMT

@millieshops wrote:
@CrazyDaisyIf there's going to be anything good about how this pandemic plays out, I fear we won't know that until history is written 15 or 20 years or more from now.

But just before I flicked on my laptop, I read a letter to the editor in my local paper in which the writer blames the media for the fear and frenzy. He'd have kept the nation open and sacrificed those who contracted the disease and suffered.

If only in real time we could know how that would have played out!

Nobody's disposible but different people do choose different victims and may not even consciously know someone will die because of that choice - will it be Ned on the meat-packing line or Molly in the nursing home? Will it be the waitress who can't find a job now or the Vietnam veteran saying a final good-bye via someone's iPad?

I can suppose all I want to - I have no natural control the way the virus does but I also have no governmental control or voice so what I decide affects only me in a way - i wouldn't do well at all deciding who should bear the loss more than I personally do.

True there is never one right answer.

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pigletsmom — Fri, 08 May 2020 13:54:25 GMT

I think the mistake was breaking things down to essential and non. It should have been what's safe. As I've said before I think my car wash could probably have stayed open. Instead we just shut down everything. And I totally understand why a small clothing store here is wondering why it's ok for tons of people to go to a grocery store or big box but they can't shop in her place with some possible regulations like how many people or whatever.

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Deree — Fri, 08 May 2020 14:00:08 GMT

@pigletsmom wrote:
I think the mistake was breaking things down to essential and non. It should have been what's safe. As I've said before I think my car wash could probably have stayed open. Instead we just shut down everything. And I totally understand why a small clothing store here is wondering why it's ok for tons of people to go to a grocery store or big box but they can't shop in her place with some possible regulations like how many people or whatever.

@pigletsmom Because clothing isn't essential for life but food is? Also if one is absolutely out of clothes they can order online. I'm sorry about your car wash. My car was filthy so I brought down a pail of water and a towel.

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reiki604 — Fri, 08 May 2020 14:04:27 GMT

The only reason essential workers were given that name is because it sounds better than sacrificial workers. These are the people who are working on the front lines in a disease that nobody can treat or cure at the present time. They are the one's most at risk for the sake of others. Unlike the selfish and self-absorbed who only are concerned with me-me-me and their convenience. A haircut and color, or mani-pedi, facial, massage or tattoo is not life threatening or anythiing but selfish. I feel sorry for the workers but there are other ways to make money. How about becoming an 'essential' worker for the time being?

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CrazyDaisy — Fri, 08 May 2020 14:01:58 GMT

@pigletsmom wrote:
I think the mistake was breaking things down to essential and non. It should have been what's safe. As I've said before I think my car wash could probably have stayed open. Instead we just shut down everything. And I totally understand why a small clothing store here is wondering why it's ok for tons of people to go to a grocery store or big box but they can't shop in her place with some possible regulations like how many people or whatever.

True, calling people "non essential" diminishes their importance in the eyes of many.

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pigletsmom — Fri, 08 May 2020 14:04:51 GMT

@Deree wrote:
@pigletsmom wrote:
I think the mistake was breaking things down to essential and non. It should have been what's safe. As I've said before I think my car wash could probably have stayed open. Instead we just shut down everything. And I totally understand why a small clothing store here is wondering why it's ok for tons of people to go to a grocery store or big box but they can't shop in her place with some possible regulations like how many people or whatever.
@pigletsmom Because clothing isn't essential for life but food is? Also if one is absolutely out of clothes they can order online. I'm sorry about your car wash. My car was filthy so I brought down a pail of water and a towel.

@Deree Well that's why I said maybe they should have considered this in a different way. If there were businesses that could have stayed open safely why not keep them open. After two months were now going to do that anyway. The virus isn't gone, were just going to have to figure out how to live with it.

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CrazyDaisy — Fri, 08 May 2020 14:06:45 GMT

@reiki604 wrote:
The only reason essential workers were given that name is because it sounder better than sacrificial workers. These are the people who are working on the front lines in a disease that nobody can treat or cure at the present time. They are the one's most at risk for the sake of others. Unlike the selfish and self-absorbed who only are concerned with me-me-me and their convenience.

There are MANY businesses that remained open that are not considered "front line workers". As I said that term varies from State to State, in my State the car washes remained open. They are considered essential.

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Deree — Fri, 08 May 2020 14:16:46 GMT

@pigletsmom wrote:
@Deree wrote:
@pigletsmom wrote:
I think the mistake was breaking things down to essential and non. It should have been what's safe. As I've said before I think my car wash could probably have stayed open. Instead we just shut down everything. And I totally understand why a small clothing store here is wondering why it's ok for tons of people to go to a grocery store or big box but they can't shop in her place with some possible regulations like how many people or whatever.
@pigletsmom Because clothing isn't essential for life but food is? Also if one is absolutely out of clothes they can order online. I'm sorry about your car wash. My car was filthy so I brought down a pail of water and a towel.
@Deree Well that's why I said maybe they should have considered this in a different way. If there were businesses that could have stayed open safely why not keep them open. After two months were now going to do that anyway. The virus isn't gone, were just going to have to figure out how to live with it.

@pigletsmom The whole point was to follow the CDC guidelines for states reopening to minimize additional deaths. The federal government has thrown out those guidelines and too many states have gone ahead and opened without following those guidelines only to find their cases increasing. Because of that no doubt more people will die unnecessarily.

Yes this virus will never be gone but you must get to a safe enough place where cases do not increase from an already too large number before you reopen everything. And once everything reopens you better believe there will be dramatic alterations in how business is conducted moving forward. It will be an overall change in our society.

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Pook — Fri, 08 May 2020 14:11:26 GMT

Disposable are what those who want to rush to open businesses no matter the cost of lives. They think they are not going to be affected by those who they are willing to have die because they want to open NOW!! When it starts to hit their family and friends and them maybe it will register with them.

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CrazyDaisy — Fri, 08 May 2020 14:12:36 GMT

@pigletsmom wrote:
@Deree wrote:
@pigletsmom wrote:
I think the mistake was breaking things down to essential and non. It should have been what's safe. As I've said before I think my car wash could probably have stayed open. Instead we just shut down everything. And I totally understand why a small clothing store here is wondering why it's ok for tons of people to go to a grocery store or big box but they can't shop in her place with some possible regulations like how many people or whatever.
@pigletsmom Because clothing isn't essential for life but food is? Also if one is absolutely out of clothes they can order online. I'm sorry about your car wash. My car was filthy so I brought down a pail of water and a towel.
@Deree Well that's why I said maybe they should have considered this in a different way. If there were businesses that could have stayed open safely why not keep them open. After two months were now going to do that anyway. The virus isn't gone, were just going to have to figure out how to live with it.

And it will not be going away anytime soon. People can no longer just hide from it, they have to deal with it.

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pigletsmom — Fri, 08 May 2020 14:18:00 GMT

@Deree wrote:
@pigletsmom wrote:
@Deree wrote:
@pigletsmom wrote:
I think the mistake was breaking things down to essential and non. It should have been what's safe. As I've said before I think my car wash could probably have stayed open. Instead we just shut down everything. And I totally understand why a small clothing store here is wondering why it's ok for tons of people to go to a grocery store or big box but they can't shop in her place with some possible regulations like how many people or whatever.
@pigletsmom Because clothing isn't essential for life but food is? Also if one is absolutely out of clothes they can order online. I'm sorry about your car wash. My car was filthy so I brought down a pail of water and a towel.
@Deree Well that's why I said maybe they should have considered this in a different way. If there were businesses that could have stayed open safely why not keep them open. After two months were now going to do that anyway. The virus isn't gone, were just going to have to figure out how to live with it.
@pigletsmom The whole point was to follow the CDC guidelines for states reopening to minimize additional deaths. The federal government has thrown out those guidelines and too many states have gone ahead and opened without following those guidelines only to find their cases increasing. Because of that no doubt more people will die unnecessarily.

Yes this virus will never be gone but you must get to a safe enough place where cases do not increase from an already too large number before you reopen everything. And once everything reopens you better believe there will be dramatic alterations in how business is conducted moving forward. It will be an overall change in our society.

The feds haven't thrown out anything. It's up to the states to follow or not. The feds can't do anything about it.