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Opening Up Creates New Issues

Twins Mom — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:47:35 GMT

As I reflect on places opening up I see new problem s popping up. If consumers have no access to hand sanitizer and limited access to cleaning supplies, etc. , venturing out increases exposure and needs. The more often I go out, the more I need to clean myself and home.

If businesses are opening, do they have access to proper cleaning products, know how to clean, etc? I have to question whether they all have access.

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Meowingkitty — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:52:00 GMT

Everyplace I've been to seems to have supply. I've been to Lowe's, grocery stores, Target, Costco, Walmart. All either have bottles of sanitizer as you enter or exit the store, wipes for the carts or people sanitizing the carts after use. I'm sure they have better connections as to where to get this stuff over us.

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meem120 — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:57:54 GMT

Son went back to work and they were told to use the sanitizer sparingly, as there was a short supply. Well, they shouldnt have brought them back then if they cant protect basic needs.

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CrazyDaisy — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:03:58 GMT

Many Indurtrial supply places are getting shipments everyday, even N95 masks are starting to become available outside the medical industry.

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Tricolor — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:05:24 GMT

From what I have observed when I am out is that companies are going above and beyond cleaning. This is very comforting. I have a concern that I have thought about for awhile and maybe people will think I am off of my rocker but here goes. We are doing damage to our immunity systems by all of this self isolating. We need to use precautions of course but we need to get out. For anyone who does not feel comfortable doing that I completely understand. I am ready to venture out using a mask which I am completely sold that cloth masks are the answer. However, that's our only choice right now. Have never been a fan of hand sanitizers. In this instance I guess we have to use them until we can wash our hands. The longer that we wait for everythng to open up the worse it will be with a whole slew of new issues. I should finish by saying that for someone living in a high risk area, getting out might not be the best choice. There are many of us when the numbers are declining greatly.

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Sadiesadie — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:20:58 GMT

@Tricolor : As good as it is to wear a mask that only protects others in case you are asymptomatic. The only thing that will protect you is everyone around you also wearing one.

There are masks, three layers, that can help protect you. Also adding some kind of filter could be beneficial.

Too many are still not wearing a mask and it surprises me when I pass people not wearing one.

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geezerette — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:21:23 GMT

Right now, from what I see around my area, it varies from business to business. Some seem to have plenty of cleansing supplies, others don't. And the employees themselves vary as to whether they're upholding their part in keeping things sanitary.

Along with starting to announce when various businesses in our state would be able to open, our governor said that there will be a grant available for them to get PPE for each employee and cleaning supplies, such as sanitizers. I would imagine this is being partly, if not fully, funded by the federal government which would mean it would be available nationwide, although I can't say that for sure.

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4kitties — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:22:32 GMT

I have only been to Walmart, Aldi and Costco in the past 2 months. Aldi and Costco have had an employee wiping down each cart before a customer uses it. I take my own hand sanitizer and Clorox wipes to use if needed.

My Walmart has Purell wipes and a hand sanitizer dispenser right at the front door so customers can wipe down their cart and hands.

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KarenQVC — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 15:53:12 GMT

The surfaces are important, but I am more concerned about the dirty air in the stores. I don't know enuf about heating and cooling systems and air flow to know whether virus is in the air.

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Mersha — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:03:52 GMT

I was watching a NJ surgeon on MSNBC this morning.

He was warning to stay out of public bathrooms at all costs.

When a toilet is flushed, all sorts of nasty particles permeate the air carrying the virus.

This would be a very hard place to avoid if you are at work.

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millieshops — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:05:02 GMT

The safety issue for all kinds of workers and for the rest of us as well is in my mind.. My part of Florida is not opening up and even if it had been included in the governor's proclamation, I'm not ready.

I want to know where the workers do feel safe before I start to add pieces back into some new normal. I don't want to start doing things that will increase the load on the workers who are already exhausted - thinking all kinds of care facilities, supermarkets, even fire fighters and police who answer all sorts of call.

Even Amazon hasn't figured out worker safety. Read an article this morning that a French court ordered them to stop selling non-essentials when workers brought a suit complaining of grueling, long hours in unsafe warehouses. Amazon said they couldn't separate essential from non and closed all their warehouses in France. Article didn't give dates.

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kitcat51 — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 16:11:12 GMT

Of course it does but there's no other choice...we have to get the economy back up & running.

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KathyM23 — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 18:07:28 GMT

@Tricolor

ITA - Our immune systems are meant to guard against (germs) we are exposed to. that is their purpose. They must come in contact with bacteria/viruses that are around us all the time, we cannot get away from them unless we live in a bubble. I have always felt we go too far in using anti-bacteria hand soaps, dish washing soap, cleaners, etc. I do not mean the precautions we are taking against this new virus, but in general we were using too many anti-germ products.

Self isolating against the coronavirus was necessary not to overwhelm health care systems I understand, but self isolating has its own dangers. To our mental health, immunity systems, the young learning how to interact with others in life. Not just by text or electronically, but actually interactng with people. I will be very glad when the isolating is over. The results of it (which are unknown currently) scare me as much as the virus does - the effect on our economic system, and other facets of life.

Never could I have imagined you could not find such a simple thing as soup on the shelves in the United States, but that is what I have found in the last few days in ALL of our local grocery stores. What is coming is worrisome to me.

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jeanlake — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:10:27 GMT

Every wo/man for h/herself. I'll be bringing some of my own supplies back to the office, but I can't work with gloves on. Not sure if I'll need a mask because no students or community allowed back on campus until August and I work alone across the hall from other cohorts. Lots of washing of hands and using lotion. Will spray and wipe down the place first thing in the morning.

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Porcelain — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:17:00 GMT

@Mersha wrote:
I was watching a NJ surgeon on MSNBC this morning.

He was warning to stay out of public bathrooms at all costs.
When a toilet is flushed, all sorts of nasty particles permeate the air carrying the virus.

This would be a very hard place to avoid if you are at work.

Oh gross! There are no lids on toilets in public bathrooms. I hadn't thought of that. I was mainly concerned about how close the stalls are and how many people could even be allowed in restroom at a time. Maybe custodians will start using that bleach stuff that turns the toilet water blue again. They should.

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Tricolor — Fri, 01 May 2020 20:44:32 GMT

@KathyM23 wrote:
@Tricolor
ITA - Our immune systems are meant to guard against (germs) we are exposed to. that is their purpose. They must come in contact with bacteria/viruses that are around us all the time, we cannot get away from them unless we live in a bubble. I have always felt we go too far in using anti-bacteria hand soaps, dish washing soap, cleaners, etc. I do not mean the precautions we are taking against this new virus, but in general we were using too many anti-germ products.

Self isolating against the coronavirus was necessary not to overwhelm health care systems I understand, but self isolating has its own dangers. To our mental health, immunity systems, the young learning how to interact with others in life. Not just by text or electronically, but actually interactng with people. I will be very glad when the isolating is over. The results of it (which are unknown currently) scare me as much as the virus does - the effect on our economic system, and other facets of life.

Never could I have imagined you could not find such a simple thing as soup on the shelves in the United States, but that is what I have found in the last few days in ALL of our local grocery stores. What is coming is worrisome to me.

@KathyM23 , you have expressed my exact thoughts. Not only soup but flour is not available, rice, pasta, canned fruit, peanut butter just to name a few. What's coming may be much worse than this virus. I know that there are medical professionals who are very knowledgeable but they know nothing about running an economy. We need people on both sides to help us get through this. I worked in healthcare and was never a germaphobe. I did ot over dress my kids when they were little. Consequently we were a very healthy family. Today as I wore my mask to the grocery store I could not help but think this is doing more harm than good.

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Gorgf — Fri, 01 May 2020 21:07:58 GMT

I saw three hand sanitizer options at my gas station while buying mower gas.

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suzyQ3 — Fri, 01 May 2020 21:38:06 GMT

Right now nothing scares me as much as the possibilty of dying a horrible, protracted death best described as drowning.

Everything else pales in comparison.

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Isobel Archer — Fri, 01 May 2020 21:54:25 GMT

I just read an article reminding me that in 1968, we were also in the middle of a pandemic - the flu spread from Hong Kong and killed - wait for it - 100,000 in the US. At the time our population was 200 million. It is now 328 million.

We didn't shut down. We survived. I have said from the start - this is an ugly virus yes, but none of the projections played out.

Now the WHO is touting Sweden - which did NOT shut down - as the model everyone should have followed - and should follow from here out.

The "experts" have been wrong at every turn. Yet nothing bad will happen to them. They will continue to be revered by people terrified of getting sick and they will continue to draw their large salaries.

Meanwhile, they have caused real suffering - most of it yet to be realized. I am so sorry we ever listened to any of them. And yet - even now - the press is beginning to blame the results - not on the "experts" who were wrong, but on the leaders who listened to them.

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Moonlady — Fri, 01 May 2020 22:15:11 GMT

There's no "new issue" here. And living your life is only a problem for those who've been led to believe that it's a problem. Thankfully, the majority of people don't think that every establishment needs to provide cleaning supplies when shoppers venture into their stores. What's next? The maniacal few demanding decontamination units?

As for fretting about flushing, you've got to be kidding me.

Those who are afraid (and they will be interminably afraid) of going about their business, can simply stay home. The rest of us shouldn't be expected to live indefinitely under house arrest to accommodate them.