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Calling StevieB

SharkE — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:08:06 GMT

Believe it or not my DH who doesn't give a riff about the Royals actually said something intelligent last night ! We were watching the TMZ documentary on Harry and M.

He said "Meghan thought she could control the Royal Family and influence the Queen to let her do or not to do what she wanted when she saw it wasn't going to go all her OWN way that's when she decided to leave and go where she knew she could control it all her own way."

Otherwise, she miscalculated she ended up taking on the whole establishment of which she knew little. Probably never cracked a history book in her life to know previous history.

@stevieb

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proudlyfromNJ — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:35:17 GMT

@SharkE wrote:
Believe it or not my DH who doesn't give a riff about the Royals actually said something intelligent last night ! We were watching the TMZ documentary on Harry and M.

He said "Meghan thought she could control the Royal Family and influence the Queen to let her do or not to do what she wanted when she saw it wasn't going to go all her OWN way that's when she decided to leave and go where she knew she could control it all her own way."

Otherwise, she miscalculated she ended up taking on the whole establishment of which she knew little. Probably never cracked a history book in her life to know previous history.

@stevieb

@SharkE Reminds me of poor Princess Margaret. Finally retreated to an island. She had such a sad life. Rules and regulations on the Royal Lives require extreme dedication. Something The Queen has but nor many others.

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SharkE — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:52:59 GMT

I credit Queen Mary for 'raising' Queen Eliz. No woman ever went thru as much as poor Queen Mary. She never complained gave way to hysterics. Accepted what came her way and did what was required of her. When her husband told her her dresses were getting to short showing to much of an ankle she had them lowered. If he didn't like a new hair do or wig she went back to the previous style.

She could have done better job of child rearing, but, that can be said of most. No one knew she smoked cigars that was done at end of day in seclusion of own bedroom. Very few knew she even enjoyed a cigar.

She had a not so nice mother in law to put up with. She went thru 2 wars, lost a son or 2 in the war, had a son who became King, then, left with an twice married, American divorcee after few months.

Had a mentally challenged son who died young. I believe it was this woman that influenced Elizabeth and instilled in her devotion to country and sense of duty above all else. Also, of course, George V must had influenced her, also. I think at 93 she's just trying to do her best with all that is constantly being flung at her. She doesn't have to declare she is woman hear me roar, independent free thinker,woman empowerment and all that. Just gets on with it. Going gets rough the tough get going you don't preach one thing and run off .

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stevieb — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:27:22 GMT

@SharkE Your hubbie and I are on the same page... I think she thought she was 'special' enough to bend the rules to her liking, found out she wasn't and opted out... I also think the opt out plan was in motion very early on... I agree with you about the queen. She doesn't need to spout all the vapid popular empowerment jargon because she walks the walk.

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SharkE — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 21:38:14 GMT

Just different times right now. Queen was raised not knowing she was the next in line till she read it in a book and asked her mother if it was true, that, she will be Queen. They had never told her.

Meghan, I bet arranged meeting Harry in the first place and she took it from there. He's easily handled and she succeeded. I think the way she grew up she wanted to show people that one day she would be somebody and the ones who whispered about her upbringing would be washing her car. Think all along she aspired to the top and for some reason she thought she would be on better footing then Kate and the Queen. Charles, felt sorry for her and wanted to be there for his son.

Guess after the walk down the aisle she didn't get whatever else she thought should be coming her way and saw the writing on the wall that she would just become another cog in the wheel and decided that wasn't good enough and she had a Plan B.

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nanny24 — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 03:09:41 GMT

You ladies are saying what I have thought all along. When everyone was 'gaga' over Megan, I could see that she was trouble DELUXE. I feel that Harry will regret leaving his family, and being 'second in command' to her. I think she'll pop out one more kid for good measure, then leave him with a boatload of $$$$.

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SharkE — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 03:15:15 GMT

It will all come out in the wash as they say.

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SuhseK — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 10:48:28 GMT

@SharkE wrote:
Just different times right now. Queen was raised not knowing she was the next in line till she read it in a book and asked her mother if it was true, that, she will be Queen. They had never told her.

Meghan, I bet arranged meeting Harry in the first place and she took it from there. He's easily handled and she succeeded. I think the way she grew up she wanted to show people that one day she would be somebody and the ones who whispered about her upbringing would be washing her car. Think all along she aspired to the top and for some reason she thought she would be on better footing then Kate and the Queen. Charles, felt sorry for her and wanted to be there for his son.

Guess after the walk down the aisle she didn't get whatever else she thought should be coming her way and saw the writing on the wall that she would just become another cog in the wheel and decided that wasn't good enough and she had a Plan B.

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Wow! This takes speculation to a whole new height😊

But holy moly, it also gives me a new appreciation for Meghan!

You're saying she's a world class femme fatale? She arranged to meet Harry, and somehow, knew, this 30 something British Prince,

who had extensively dated, lovely and often accomplished women, would fall in love with her, to the point of marrying?

She then decided, that, she, an American and a total outsider, would get the upper hand, with the Queen and an age old British tradition, the monarchy?

Meghan is certainly attractive, she's well educated, she had moderate success, in acting, enough that she was independent, and had a nice nest egg, but, I sure never saw her as this Fierce, Femme Fatale!

** Just a wonder, re her upbringing. She's wasn't , a scared, hungry kid, in the projects, she's the product of a middle class background. She went to private religious schools and is a college graduate.
Certainly not wealthy, but, I don't see anything to be embarrassed about.

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bathina — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:58:25 GMT

@Cakers3, I want those numbers too. Perhaps the clairvoyant ones can use their superpowers to do some good?
@Trinity11 i didnt even think about all the mindless tv watching being interrupted! I think its a valid theory. I guess I can forgive the hatred because idle time and all.😉

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Cakers3 — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:05:37 GMT

@bathina wrote:
@Cakers3, I want those numbers too. Perhaps the clairvoyant ones can use their superpowers to do some good?
@Trinity11 i didnt even think about all the mindless tv watching being interrupted! I think its a valid theory. I guess I can forgive the hatred because idle time and all.😉

@bathinaI seriously do not get why they despise her and are so determined as to what the future will bring. I guess mind-reading the past lends to more future nonsense.

People forget that this is a family with a child, no less.
Despite being "royal" their lives are still centered as a family.

The most laughable, if it were not so junior high school yard, are the "knowing" what Meghan thinks, what she plans, how she'll have another baby for security (then dump Harry) and on and on and on.

Opinions are one thing; basing an opinion on fact is a mature discussion.

Gossiping and predicting gloom and doom are just immature speculations.

I seriously doubt Meghan intended to dismantle the royal family. As though the Queen can be easily dismissed.

For the life of me I cannot (really yes I can) understand why people would expect the worst of another human being who has done nothing to make their lives uncomfortable. To "predict" unhappiness for another human being (and especially when it will upset a child) is a disturbing way to view the world.

And it's always Meghan; never Harry.

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bathina — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:23:02 GMT

@Cakers3 I've written and erased my post about 5 times. I'll just say I agree with you. You would think Meghan was carrying on affairs with porn stars and nude models while Harry was caring for baby Archie. I could understand the disgust if that were the case. 😳

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Cakers3 — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:34:43 GMT

@bathina wrote:
@Cakers3 I've written and erased my post about 5 times. I'll just say I agree with you. You would think Meghan was carrying on affairs with porn stars and nude models while Harry was caring for baby Archie. I could understand the disgust if that were the case. 😳

@bathina I've never even watched "Suits". I really knew nothing much about Meghan until the rumors of dating Harry.

I enjoy the Royals as many folks do; but for weddings, the children, and the fashion, espcially the fascinators!!

(spelling edit)

I don't see anybody going "gaga" over her, either. Unless one considers being kind as going "gaga".

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bathina — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:48:39 GMT

@Cakers3 wrote:
@bathina wrote:
@Cakers3 I've written and erased my post about 5 times. I'll just say I agree with you. You would think Meghan was carrying on affairs with porn stars and nude models while Harry was caring for baby Archie. I could understand the disgust if that were the case. 😳
@bathina I've never even watched "Suits". I really knew nothing much about Meghan until the rumors of dating Harry.

I enjoy the Royals as many folks do; but for weddings, the children, and the fashion, espcially the fascinators!!

(spelling edit)

I don't see anybody going "gaga" over her, either. Unless one considers being kind as going "gaga".

I'm with you 100%. I've never seen an episode and didn't know her name until Harry. That's why I've got to laugh when I hear all about Meghan and Hollywood. She was in Toronto for the last 8 years. I've never, ever seen anything written about her in Hollywood or pics of her flitting around Hollywood. And I thought I was a pretty good observer of such things. I'm not a worshipper of her or anyone else, but fair is fair and making up stuff about this woman isn't fair.

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stevieb — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 23:16:48 GMT

@bathina @Cakers3 Speaking for myself, if I'm considered among the prescient... should those winning lotto numbers come to me, I'll be keeping them for my own use... Sorry, but I guess I'm just not as giving as the royal duo... Then again, I don't have their resources, nor do I have Prince Charles doling out an allowance...

As for the 'hatred' mantra, I was sort of wondering how long it would take to resurface, and as for 'forgiveness', I wouldn't assume anyone here is seeking it, at least not from another poster...

It seems pretty clear based on all of us having participated in a number of these threads that our perspectives are divergent. That's fine. It's no more important that we agree in our assessments of these people than it is for me to understand why some seem so motivated to like them or than it is for either of you to understand why some of us don't care for them and don't feel compelled to champion them,

Two things, though, seem clear: Attacks on other posters points of view would seem to come more from the Pro-Markle side ('laughable', 'junior high school', 'immature', along with the hefty dose of hyperbole: 'hate' and 'despise'). It's simply not called for. We should be able to disagree about these people without making it personal. The other seeming fact is that whenever we engage in what one might hope could be a lively debate, things usually end in snark. You have your opinions and others, including me, have ours... Let's let it go at that... That's my plan, anyway...

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Sage04 — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 20:22:37 GMT

I´ve always believed that Harry had this planned all along. He wanted to leave the Family and this was his way of doing it. Maybe he used Meghan by marrying someone from another Country so that it would be easier for him to get away. I will always believe that.

As long as they are happy, that´s what counts.

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Pearlee — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 20:34:02 GMT

@Cakers3. "It's always Meghan and never Harry." Interesting how you are reading so selectively and you must not have read any of my posts, many of which have included Harry--almost always when I've mentioned being selfish.
Furthermore, I feel very sorry for people --some of whom are posting on this thread-- who go though life seeing bias where there is none.

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Mj12 — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 20:38:47 GMT

@Sage04I agree in that I think it was Harry's idea. His speech recently was pretty clear, he said it was his decision, and he spoke of why he decided to do this for his family. (I don't think he used her but rather they decided as a family to do this). Others will insist that Meghan "plotted" this, she put him up to it, etc.

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occasionalrain — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:43:15 GMT

Those of us who dislike the two of them site reasons for our dislike; their behavior which contradicts their words and their taking from the public while denying the public consideration.

Those who defend them can only site their good intentions and to disparage, insult those who see the situation differently. When the message can't be disputed, the only resort left is to go after the messenger. Give it thought.

While among the royals, Harry was the star while Meghan was in a supporting role. Now, it seems to be reversed, it's Meghan's team, Meghan's choice to live in Canada, Meghan's friends and Harry is just her agent.

Harry has given up his friends to be replaced by her's, his family who have loved and supported him, to be replaced by her mother. In short he's given up his entire heritage and gained an ambitious controlling wife and a son which I predict will be an only child.

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SharkE — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:47:38 GMT

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bathina — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 23:16:24 GMT

@SharkE wrote:

You first.