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Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

SeaMaiden — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:16:52 GMT

BREAKING: Officials identify Vitamin E Acetate as a "strong culprit" in the vaping-related lung injuries that left thousands sick and 39 people dead, CDC says.

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

Mz iMac — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:32:36 GMT

As well as THC which you left out.

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

ROMARY — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:39:13 GMT

We learned early in school (maybe Middle School?) to keep away from certain vitamins..........We had to memorize them.

Anyway, we were taught that the Non-water soluable vitamins could be toxic because they stay in our bodies.

Our body doesn't eliminate them when too much is taken.

I recall Vitamins A, E, D, and maybe another one, or the mineral Iron?.

But, for sure, I recall A, E, and D.

If and when they are needed, they should be carefully monitored for, health safety purposes.

I've been saying for years: Don't go out and buy tons of fat-soluable vitamins (and some minerals) unless you truly need them.

I recall a few people, years ago, were taking Vitamin E capsules just because they were popular to take (for whatever reason(s). Without doc's suggestion.

Oh, well............Wishing children/teens/adults good health and thoughts of 'Be careful'.

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

ROMARY — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:50:20 GMT

p.s.

I've been tired of telling my med. professional that because my 'D' is normal (via blood test), I'm not taking any Vit. D.

I finally said that they (the vitamin) makes me sick. That I tried and tried and tried to take them, etc., etc.

So, no more bugging me about taking it, lol.

Sometimes you just have to 'make things up'.

P.S. No spoiler.........I clicked onto the wrong icon.

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

Mindy D — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:59:36 GMT

ROMARY, Vitamin E Acetate is not a problem if you eat it. It’s a problem when it sits inside the lungs.

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

ROMARY — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 15:18:21 GMT

'Oh, OK'............I guess I went off on a tangent, so to speak..........(lol).

I obviously didn't read the initial post, and I don't know anything at all about vaping.

Just ignore my ignorance (said in a bashful way).

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

Mindy D — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 02:43:18 GMT

@ROMARY wrote:
'Oh, OK'............I guess I went off on a tanget, so to speak..........(lol).

I obviously didn't read the initial post, and I don't know anything at all about vaping.

Just ignore my ignorance (said in a bashful way).

This is a very sweet way to apologize.

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

06greatwife — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:45:08 GMT

My 32 year old son vapes and I am worried. He stopped smoking and started vaping because his then fiancé didn't like the smell of cigarettes on him, plus it was cheaper so it was a win win for him. I started telling him about the health concerns of vaping when they started being on the news and he has seen it on the news himself. I don't think he will stop though. His grandmother used to smoke with oxygen on and died of congestive heart failure. That was hard for his Dad to see of his own mother and he had never smoked a day in his life. I tried smoking in high school for a few days, but decided that coughing up my lungs wasn't fun so I stopped. I am so thankful I did not get addicted to it!

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

SeaMaiden — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:48:37 GMT

@Mindy D wrote:
ROMARY, Vitamin E Acetate is not a problem if you eat it. It’s a problem when it sits inside the lungs.

@Mindy D @ROMARY Vitamin E Acetate comes in the form of an oil... used in cosmetics and many products... but when used for vaping it coats the lungs as oil is not a good thing for lungs.... it just clogs them up so they quit working.....

This is not the case with taking it internally

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

SeaMaiden — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:51:37 GMT

@06greatwife wrote:
My 32 year old son vapes and I am worried. He stopped smoking and started vaping because his then fiancé didn't like the smell of cigarettes on him, plus it was cheaper so it was a win win for him. I started telling him about the health concerns of vaping when they started being on the news and he has seen it on the news himself. I don't think he will stop though. His grandmother used to smoke with oxygen on and died of congestive heart failure. That was hard for his Dad to see of his own mother and he had never smoked a day in his life. I tried smoking in high school for a few days, but decided that coughing up my lungs wasn't fun so I stopped. I am so thankful I did not get addicted to it!

@06greatwife If he is vaping a nicotine based product... he is just addicted to the vaping as cigarettes and will have a very hard time quiting. They put in high high doses of nicotine way more than found in tabacco. That is why people get so addicted to these vaping appliances.

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

pigletsmom — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 20:51:06 GMT

@SeaMaiden wrote:
@06greatwife wrote:
My 32 year old son vapes and I am worried. He stopped smoking and started vaping because his then fiancé didn't like the smell of cigarettes on him, plus it was cheaper so it was a win win for him. I started telling him about the health concerns of vaping when they started being on the news and he has seen it on the news himself. I don't think he will stop though. His grandmother used to smoke with oxygen on and died of congestive heart failure. That was hard for his Dad to see of his own mother and he had never smoked a day in his life. I tried smoking in high school for a few days, but decided that coughing up my lungs wasn't fun so I stopped. I am so thankful I did not get addicted to it!
@06greatwife If he is vaping a nicotine based product... he is just addicted to the vaping as cigarettes and will have a very hard time quiting. They put in high high doses of nicotine way more than found in tabacco. That is why people get so addicted to these vaping appliances.

@06greatwife Not sure what he's using to vape, if it's gas station type stuff it's harer, but he can step down the amount of nicotine in the products he's using. Eventually he can get down to zero and then it's just the hand to mouth habit. I'll admit that habit on it's own is tough to break.

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

pitdakota — Sat, 09 Nov 2019 21:58:41 GMT

@06greatwife wrote:
My 32 year old son vapes and I am worried. He stopped smoking and started vaping because his then fiancé didn't like the smell of cigarettes on him, plus it was cheaper so it was a win win for him. I started telling him about the health concerns of vaping when they started being on the news and he has seen it on the news himself. I don't think he will stop though. His grandmother used to smoke with oxygen on and died of congestive heart failure. That was hard for his Dad to see of his own mother and he had never smoked a day in his life. I tried smoking in high school for a few days, but decided that coughing up my lungs wasn't fun so I stopped. I am so thankful I did not get addicted to it!

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I know you are concerned @06greatwife, but don't let this news release from the CDC concern you in regard to your son unless he is vaping THC. The Vitamin E Acetate is what is added to the THC in the vaping cartridges & isn't normally found in other vaping preparations as far as is known at this time. Unless he buys the liquid off the street, then all bets are off I guess.

And unless things have changed recently, the deaths related to vaping reported in the news have occurred in individuals vaping THC. Doesn't mean there are not concerns with vaping, but at this time it appears the problems are specifically related to vaping THC. So unless he is using it as a recreational marijuana or as a medical prescription for marijuana this news release shouldn't specifically add to your worries.

It is a good step that your son quit smoking and now he can be encouraged to cut back on the nicotine concentration and wean himself from vaping as well. As far as I understand, when purchased from a reputable dealer, the nicotine dosage is identified on the container of liquid, so he can try to decrease the dosage. And he should be congratulated for kicking the cigarette habit. Fingers crossed, he will gain confidence now to wean off the nictotine levels and ultimately quit vaping as well.

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

FS74 — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 00:23:15 GMT

@pitdakota wrote:
@06greatwife wrote:
My 32 year old son vapes and I am worried. He stopped smoking and started vaping because his then fiancé didn't like the smell of cigarettes on him, plus it was cheaper so it was a win win for him. I started telling him about the health concerns of vaping when they started being on the news and he has seen it on the news himself. I don't think he will stop though. His grandmother used to smoke with oxygen on and died of congestive heart failure. That was hard for his Dad to see of his own mother and he had never smoked a day in his life. I tried smoking in high school for a few days, but decided that coughing up my lungs wasn't fun so I stopped. I am so thankful I did not get addicted to it!
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I know you are concerned @06greatwife, but don't let this news release from the CDC concern you in regard to your son unless he is vaping THC. The Vitamin E Acetate is what is added to the THC in the vaping cartridges & isn't normally found in other vaping preparations as far as is known at this time. Unless he buys the liquid off the street, then all bets are off I guess.

And unless things have changed recently, the deaths related to vaping reported in the news have occurred in individuals vaping THC. Doesn't mean there are not concerns with vaping, but at this time it appears the problems are specifically related to vaping THC. So unless he is using it as a recreational marijuana or as a medical prescription for marijuana this news release shouldn't specifically add to your worries.

It is a good step that your son quit smoking and now he can be encouraged to cut back on the nicotine concentration and wean himself from vaping as well. As far as I understand, when purchased from a reputable dealer, the nicotine dosage is identified on the container of liquid, so he can try to decrease the dosage. And he should be congratulated for kicking the cigarette habit. Fingers crossed, he will gain confidence now to wean off the nictotine levels and ultimately quit vaping as well.

It is the black market, off the street or online fraud THC dealers that are the source of this problem. Most or even all of the deaths occur because of vitamin E acetate in the THC oil to stretch out the product for the maximum profit.

Reputable nicotine vape dealers make their own oil without vitamin E acetate and will mark the amount of nicotine on the oil bottle. This type of vaping is not the cause of the deaths, it is the off market THC vaping.

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

Mindy D — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 07:54:55 GMT

@06greatwife wrote:
My 32 year old son vapes and I am worried. He stopped smoking and started vaping because his then fiancé didn't like the smell of cigarettes on him, plus it was cheaper so it was a win win for him. I started telling him about the health concerns of vaping when they started being on the news and he has seen it on the news himself. I don't think he will stop though. His grandmother used to smoke with oxygen on and died of congestive heart failure. That was hard for his Dad to see of his own mother and he had never smoked a day in his life. I tried smoking in high school for a few days, but decided that coughing up my lungs wasn't fun so I stopped. I am so thankful I did not get addicted to it!

At least print out my post with the CDC information so he can stay safe as possible. I’m worried too. There has been no release of mention about cases that arose from persons vaping with devices from licensed state medical dispensaries. These dispensaries use a variety of chemicals, sometimes Vitamin E Acetate. Furthermore, The CDC has found the E in the lung fluid of the 29 samples examined but the CDC is still investigating the other cases and the CDC has stated that there could be other chemical additives also responsible for the illnesses. There have also been no mention of any cases involving persons that vape CBDs from dispensaries. Nicotine vapes are included the 29 samples that contain the Vitamin E Acetate. At least licensed state medical dispensaries list the additives on the product labels. Items purchased off the street could have anything in them. CDC vaping link for your son to read.

“Among 867 patients with information on substances used in e-cigarette, or vaping, products in the 3 months prior to symptom onset** (as of October 15, 2019):
- About 86% reported using THC-containing products; 34% reported exclusive use of THC-containing products.
- About 64% reported using nicotine-containing products; 11% reported exclusive use of nicotine-containing products.”

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html

Edited to add:

“Vitamin E acetate was detected in all 29 patient BAL samples. Among 23 patients for whom self-reported THC use information was available, 20 reported using THC-containing products. THC or its metabolites were detected in 23 of 28 patient BAL samples, including in those of three patients who said they did not use THC products. Nicotine metabolites were detected in 16 of 26 patient BAL specimens. Results for plant oils, MCT oil, petroleum distillates, and diluent terpenes were all below analyte-specific levels of detection (typically in the low ng/mL range).”

Re: Vaping Illnesses Are Linked to Vitamin E Acetate, C.D.C. Says

Mindy D — Sun, 10 Nov 2019 08:22:22 GMT

@pitdakota wrote:
@06greatwife wrote:
My 32 year old son vapes and I am worried. He stopped smoking and started vaping because his then fiancé didn't like the smell of cigarettes on him, plus it was cheaper so it was a win win for him. I started telling him about the health concerns of vaping when they started being on the news and he has seen it on the news himself. I don't think he will stop though. His grandmother used to smoke with oxygen on and died of congestive heart failure. That was hard for his Dad to see of his own mother and he had never smoked a day in his life. I tried smoking in high school for a few days, but decided that coughing up my lungs wasn't fun so I stopped. I am so thankful I did not get addicted to it!
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I know you are concerned @06greatwife, but don't let this news release from the CDC concern you in regard to your son unless he is vaping THC. The Vitamin E Acetate is what is added to the THC in the vaping cartridges & isn't normally found in other vaping preparations as far as is known at this time. Unless he buys the liquid off the street, then all bets are off I guess.

And unless things have changed recently, the deaths related to vaping reported in the news have occurred in individuals vaping THC. Doesn't mean there are not concerns with vaping, but at this time it appears the problems are specifically related to vaping THC. So unless he is using it as a recreational marijuana or as a medical prescription for marijuana this news release shouldn't specifically add to your worries.

It is a good step that your son quit smoking and now he can be encouraged to cut back on the nicotine concentration and wean himself from vaping as well. As far as I understand, when purchased from a reputable dealer, the nicotine dosage is identified on the container of liquid, so he can try to decrease the dosage. And he should be congratulated for kicking the cigarette habit. Fingers crossed, he will gain confidence now to wean off the nictotine levels and ultimately quit vaping as well.

Respectfully, pitdakota, the percentage of the total vaping cases involving nicotine is very high. It is not just THC users that are getting sick. Perhaps it might be safest to switch to a nicotine patch and gradually taper off rather than risk EVALI. The latest CDC report discusses lab test results from 29 samples obtained from the lungs of patients affected by EVALI, which is what the CDC is not calling this disorder. There is also data on other testing of the vaping devices and their contents INCLUDING NICOTINE DEVICES as well all cumulative statistics obtained through hospital records and direct contact with patients, their families and physicians about the 2050 patients hospitalized so far.

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html

These are just the cases in which liquid from the lungs of 29 patients was tested. The CDC did not release which of these comes from a fatality. 16 of 26 patients’s samples contained nicotine metabolites. This means it’s too early to dismiss nicotine vapes.

“Vitamin E acetate was detected in all 29 patient BAL samples. Among 23 patients for whom self-reported THC use information was available, 20 reported using THC-containing products. THC or its metabolites were detected in 23 of 28 patient BAL samples, including in those of three patients who said they did not use THC products. Nicotine metabolites were detected in 16 of 26 patient BAL specimens. Results for plant oils, MCT oil, petroleum distillates, and diluent terpenes were all below analyte-specific levels of detection (typically in the low ng/mL range).”

CDC IS RECOMMENDING :

“Since the specific compound or ingredient causing lung injury are not yet known, the only way to assure that you are not at risk while the investigation continues is to consider refraining from use of all e-cigarette, or vaping, product”