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National Educational Standards

phoenixbrd — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 20:36:50 GMT

Our educational system has national educational standards. At each grade level there are goals and standards that are required of the student. If you live in Mississippi or New York, your child should be studying the same National Standards at the same grade level in every state. You can google National Educational Standards and download what your child should be studying at their grade-level. If they aren't.....you might want to talk to the teacher.

There are also State standards as well as National standards. These are added on to the National standard and go above and beyond. States can differ regarding their state standards, but there is no negotiation regarding implementing national standards if adopted by your state.

There are National Standards for math, English, social studies (which includes how our government works), music, science, etc.

I was going to include this in another post, but I thought there might be a lot of parents who would be empowered by this information and miss it if it was embedded in another thread.

We are now at the point where we are evaluating the implementation of Common Core standands and the effectiveness.

Re: National Educational Standards

deepwaterdotter — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:35:49 GMT

Do these standards apply only to public schools?

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Still Stylish Lady — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:51:27 GMT

IMHO the federal government has no business dictating to local schools--period. It is up to the states and local communities.

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phoenixbrd — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:58:37 GMT

@deepwaterdotter I have a quote below...talk to your school and ask how the national standards are being taught at the school. The National Standards were implemented to assure equal access to education. It also provides federal funding to the school system. That being said....HOW the standards are implemented and the giftedness of the teacher will be as critical as the standard. I would think a parent would insist that their child is learning at least the standards required at the grade-level and many talented educators go above and beyond.

"Technically, private schools are not required to implement Common Core standards even in states where the program has been implemented. However, many private schools have signed on: Private schools may lose access to federal funds if they reject Common Core."

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PA Mom-mom — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:59:22 GMT

@phoenixbrd As far as I'm concerned, national standards are not up to mine. I always took my chidrens' school education as a starting point.

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blackhole99 — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:01:23 GMT

@phoenixbrd wrote:

Our educational system has national educational standards. At each grade level there are goals and standards that are required of the student. If you live in Mississippi or New York, your child should be studying the same National Standards at the same grade level in every state. You can google National Educational Standards and download what your child should be studying at their grade-level. If they aren't.....you might want to talk to the teacher.

There are also State standards as well as National standards. These are added on to the National standard and go above and beyond. States can differ regarding their state standards, but there is no negotiation regarding national standards.. You can also find the state standards requirements for your individual state on the Internet.

There are National Standards for math, English, social studies (which includes how our government works), music, science, etc.

I was going to include this in another post, but I thought there might be a lot of parents who would be empowered by this information and miss it if it was embedded in another thread.

I have a feeling this isn't an issue for kids whose parents are involved in their education. Standards mean nothing to kids who are not interested in their education or parents who don't care either and just want their kids to get through the education system. If you are a teacher and if you care, then this is probably on you, good luck.

Re: National Educational Standards

phoenixbrd — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:01:57 GMT

@Still Stylish Lady I understand your concern. I'm not a fan of major governmental control. In this case, it is an advantage for the students (especially in those states that were floundering with less than stellar educational success) so there is assurance that they are being taught a rigorous curriculum with goals for each grade level. The teacher and how they implement the standards in the classroom is critical.

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suzyQ3 — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:03:04 GMT

I totally am in favor of national standards and the fact that the states go even beyond the national ones. I'd be fearful if it was totally up to individual states.

The question is how do we make sure that our children meet those standards? That is the eternal can of worms.

Re: National Educational Standards

phoenixbrd — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:03:52 GMT

@PA Mom-mom You are a wonderful mom. If all parents were aware of the standards and what they should be learning at a base line, they can go above and beyond in the home. The best of all worlds....a good education in the classroom and at home. Kudos to you!

Re: National Educational Standards

spiderw — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:04:39 GMT

I am glad to see there are standards, I just hope they are high and benefit the pupils.

I posted in the forums about seeing the standards lowered in the seventies and I experienced the change as a result. I was part of the educational system for 41 years and am proud of being so.

I think the lowering of standards were thought to be well intentioned but it is always better to have a high standard to reach especially for pupils who need challenge and push. In the city where I worked many pupils had issues and dysfunction, lowering standards was not the answer for them. There was much involved and not enough thought and planning. This was my observance.

Thanks for the information!!!!

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suzyQ3 — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:05:23 GMT

I can't see any reason to be against national standards. It seems to be in our best interest. It's not a burden.

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Tyak — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:06:10 GMT

@Still Stylish Lady wrote:
IMHO the federal government has no business dictating to local schools--period. It is up to the states and local communities.

Not any more and you have Jimmy Carter to thank for it. He decided that the feds could educate children better than the local communities and the states, hence the Dept. of Education. He did this country no favors. I believe that we went from one of the best educated nations in the world to one of the worst. JMO.

Re: National Educational Standards

phoenixbrd — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:10:04 GMT

@suzyQ3 You have identified the critical issue. Yes, I think national standards are necessary and especially for the reason you suggested. The standards are rigorous. The issue is a challenge for teachers in the classroom. Students learn at different rates, have home issues, health issues, and sometimes unfortunately do not have parents that support educational goals. A teacher has tremendous challenges.

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Tinkerbell3 — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:15:57 GMT

Kids don't study national standards? Your post is unclear in parts

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phoenixbrd — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 05:23:28 GMT

@spiderw All my respect goes out to you. A teacher for 41 years, you have been in the trenches and have seen the critical issues. Yes, the diversity in the classroom will present challenges. This is where a gifted teacher can excel. Every child is an individual and may, as you know, learn in different ways. Therefore, different modalities of learning and scaffolding must be present in the classroom to meet every child's need. The ideal is when a teacher is able to create community with the parents so everyone is on board with each child performing at their best. I'll bet you were one of those teachers!

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Tinkerbell3 — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:16:50 GMT

Kids don't study national standards? Your post is unclear in parts.

Not a fan of public education for numerous reasons

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PA Mom-mom — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:22:23 GMT

@phoenixbrd hmmm...

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spiderw — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 02:04:26 GMT

pheonixbird !!

Thank you for your excellent response and comments. However, I must apologize for not being clear on my part in education. I was a counselor for the problem and dysfunctional children in grammar and high schools which in itself was quite a challenge and very difficult at times. I did sit in on class room teaching and in my family there were teachers. I also worked with teachers daily and we interacted constantly. I appreciated many of the teachers who were creative and could get to the more difficult students through different ways for them to learn. We were all in the trenches but we did our best. I communicated and met with parents all the time and in fact they trusted me and would often have input since they knew their child's needs. I think it is a work in progress between teachers, parents and staff members. You cannot do it alone .

Again I am sorry for not clarifying my position but I thank you for your words of wisdom!!!!

Re: National Educational Standards

FancyPhillyshopper — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 06:47:00 GMT

I do not think as an educator I would ever label a child "dysfunctional."

Children (and adult learners) are unique and have strengths, weaknesses, diverse learning styles, different cultural experiences, strong or weak opportunities and resources, and varied exposure to quality education experiences.

National standards serve an important purpose--they identify the minimum knowledge a child should know and be able to do in a specific content area by graduation.

One can see content put into practice through national-type exams like the SAT, AP tests, GRE, LSAT, USLME, and so forth.

No teacher or administrator can ever be a complete expert in all components of a content area.

However, HOW the standards are taught and HOW WELL they are learned are really the biggest challenges!

Unfortunately, in our country, one's zip code can often determine the quality of the PreK-12 educational experience. Family income and community resources play a major role.

The United States is recognized as having some of the best higher education programs in the world.

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BirkiLady — Thu, 17 Oct 2019 02:49:43 GMT

With the Sec. of Education position, we're in deep trouble. I'm all for State regulated standards, which is why we returned to Nebraska to raise our son many years ago. We saw what was happening in schools in so many other states and simply couldn't live with ourselves knowing we could provide him with a stellar education by returning to excellent schools, family roots and good friends close-by.

Changing a career path was not a big deal in the scheme of things when it came to our sons' education.