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NEW JIMMY HOFFA MATERIAL SOUNDS INTERESTING

Oznell — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:15:34 GMT

I never tire of famous, inevitably haunting "disappearance" stories, from the celebrated Judge Crater case, onwards.

This new perspective on famed Teamster figure Jimmy Hoffa and the foul play that caused his disappearance, sounds equally interesting. Harvard Law professor Jack Goldsmith has written "In Hoffa's Shadow". Interestingly, Goldsmith's stepfather, from whom he later became estranged, was Charles "Chuckie" O'Brien, a Hoffa protege.

Here's the kicker-- for years, it has been floating around that O'Brien was the very person of suspicion in the disappearance/presumed killing. Goldsmith's book evidently disputes that.

I imagine the book must have been an emotionally wrenching one for him to write, as close as he was to the material. He apparently had for years disowned his stepfather. On top of all this, Martin Scorsese is coming out with his own film on the subject, "The Irishman", which stars the brilliant Al Pacino.

Two no doubt fascinating perspectives coming out in tandem-- should be good.

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alicedee — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:19:16 GMT

I want to see “The Irishman.”

Growing up near Flint in a GM family, I’ve always been fascinated by the Hoffa saga.

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alliswell — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:30:01 GMT

This kind of speculation is intriguing - just like, the JFK conspiracy theories. Bottom line though, it is speculation.

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cherry — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 18:08:07 GMT

I don't think they will ever find out. I recall people trying to dig up a freeway ,because someone said he was buried beneath it. They wanted the reward..He was a tough guy, and lived a tough life. He had his detractors as well as people that idolized him

When he went to jail, all of the truckers saluted him, along his route to prison. He did help them a lot, as far as bettering their working conditions, but he was a rough customer, and he hung with a rough bunch

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drizzellla — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 18:23:17 GMT

Thanks Oznell.

I am going to definitely read "In Hoffa's Shadow".

My Mom's family all lived in the Dearborn MI area. My Dad's company moved to Philadelphia when I was little. So every summer we would spend the summer with my Mom's relatives. Dad got to stay in Philadelphia and work.

So we were in Dearborn when Jimmy Hoffa disappeared. It became quite the "talk of the town". I knew nothing about the man until then. But I am always curious to learn more.

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alicedee — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 18:29:39 GMT

The movie “Hoffa” back in the 90s was really good. Jack Nicholson did a great job.

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SahmIam — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 19:24:13 GMT

Looking forward to "The Irishman".

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patbz — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 19:43:39 GMT

When I was in college in D.C. area, I had a summer job that was in D.C. and I took the bus up 16th street and always noticed the apartment/condo where Hoffa lived part time. He was an interesting and evil character.

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shoekitty — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 19:46:00 GMT

If Martin Scorsese is doing the movie, no thanks. Not that he isnt the best, he is a fabulous director. Just too violent, gory, and overly explicit for me. I have a creative imagination, I dont need all the over done details to get the point. Lol

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goldensrbest — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:26:12 GMT

We will never know what happened to him, too many years ago, he is long gone.

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Oznell — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:33:23 GMT

I hadn't thought of that violent aspect with Scorsese, @shoekitty, but I'm sure you're right. With this kind of story, there's bound to be gore, especially with Scorsese at the helm. It's funny I forget about that aspect of him, I only see the films of his where there won't be graphic blood, like his wonderful "The Age of Innocence". There was a lot of "hurting" in that, but it was all internal and psychological...

Am probably more interested in the new book, esp. with the stepfather-of-the-author angle. Can't imagine how it must have been for the author-- embarked on a high-profile, illustrious legal career, but with a relative lurking in the background that was suspected of perhaps "doing in" Jimmy Hoffa. High drama and mental torment had to be in play, esp. since I think he has said O'Brien was actually a caring stepfather to him as a young boy...

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lovesrecess — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 20:36:32 GMT

DH grew up not too far from where Hoffa was last seen. He followed the various conspiracy theories for a while, then decided he will never be found. When the mafia wants someone to disappear forever, they make sure they do.

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Cakers3 — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 22:00:40 GMT

@Oznell Funny you mentioned Judge Crater. I just heard his name mentioned the other day.

I also am intrigued by the disappearance of Hoffa and others.

Odd how Whitey Bulger was able to "disappear" and live a semi-normal life for years.

I think there was suspicion about Crater leaving with a mistress; one mistress was murdered, too.

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Oznell — Fri, 27 Sep 2019 22:46:47 GMT

Oh, yeah, ever-alert @Cakers3 -- Crater's case was terribly juicy, and the fact that he was highly placed, a Justice of the State Supreme Court of New York, just added to the drama. It's funny, though his disappearance happened in the early Thirties, he was a household name for decades and decades afterward, so did his story capture the public imagination. Now few people get the allusion. Sic transit gloria, and all that!

I'm fascinated by that whole Bulger thing persisting too-- even up to this day. I don't know much of anything about it. If I'm remembering right, it's extraordinary that circumstances and people seemed to conspire to allow such crookedness to hide in plain sight, for so long.

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Mz iMac — Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:15:53 GMT

@goldensrbest wrote:
We will never know what happened to him, too many years ago, he is long gone.

At the bottom of the ocean in a cement coffin that's now covered w/sea plants & plant life.

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Mz iMac — Sun, 29 Sep 2019 18:19:50 GMT

@lovesrecess wrote:
When the mafia wants someone to disappear forever, they make sure they do.

Like the neighbor who killed John Gotti's youngest son w/his car.

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walker — Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:06:59 GMT

Thank you for posting this information on the book. I would like to read it. There is another interesting book on the subject called I Heard You Paint Houses....I don't remember the author.

I grew up in the area. Hoffa disappeared from a restaurant called The Red Fox. DH and I had just had our rehearsal dinner there a few months before he disappeared.

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Oznell — Sun, 29 Sep 2019 20:48:00 GMT

That's a fascinating little detail that you had your rehearsal dinner there, @walker! I love when posters give their various personal connections to major events and incidents in history.... makes it all the more vivid and real.

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viva923 — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 00:43:05 GMT

Jimmy Hoffa disappearance always fascinated me. I do wonder who did it and how it was done and where exactly are the remains.