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What makes "Impossible Meat" look like meat.

novamc1 — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 17:41:06 GMT

What makes Impossible Meat possible? A “bloody” ingredient

By Candice Choi | AP
September 20

NEW YORK — What makes Impossible burgers possible? An engineered ingredient that makes the veggie patty look bloody — and one of many new concoctions food regulators expect to see more of in the coming years.

Several new vegetarian products are competing to win over meat lovers, but two California companies — Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat — are grabbing attention for patties that are red before they’re cooked, making them resemble raw beef.

The ingredient Impossible uses hadn’t been sold before, and regulators and the company disagreed about whether its purpose was to add color, or just flavor. The company’s cooked burgers have been in restaurants since 2016, but it wasn’t until July that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration gave the OK that let Impossible sell its red, uncooked “beef” in grocery stores.
This week, Impossible a
nnounced its first retail locations, grocery stores in Southern California.

WHAT’S THE INGREDIENT?

To replicate the taste of beef, Impossible Foods said it scanned plants for molecules that would mimic a protein in meat that contains iron and makes blood red. It eventually settled on something called soy leghemoglobin, found in the root of soy plants.

To make it, Impossible inserts synthetic versions of sections of soy DNA into yeast so the yeast produce soy leghemoglobin during fermentation.
“No plant is actually touched in the process of us making this protein,” said Smita Shankar, a biochemist with Impossible Foods.

The ingredient is supposed to be no more than 0.8% of the patty.

DO NEW INGREDIENTS HAVE TO BE APPROVED?

For many ingredients, companies don’t have to get FDA approval before putting them in food.

Companies and the scientific experts they hire can independently declare ingredients to be “generally recognized as safe,” or GRAS. They don’t have to tell regulators, but often do to generate confidence among investors and the public.
The FDA doesn’t technically approve a company’s GRAS declaration, but will issue a letter saying it has “no questions,” which is seen as agreement.

Impossible says soy leghemoglobin had “self-declared GRAS status” since 2014 when a panel of experts it convened declared the ingredient safe.

The company also later submitted a GRAS notification to the FDA that received a “no questions “ response last year.

MORE INGREDIENTS COMING

They don’t usually get much attention, but companies are constantly developing new flavors, sweeteners and other ingredients. As startups try to change the way food is made, including by replicating meat and eggs without animals, the regulators expect innovation to accelerate.

The FDA notes companies are responsible for ensuring the safety of their food and that it has the power to determine a substance is not safe. Still, groups including the Center for Science in the Public Interest and Environmental Defense Fund have criticized the system that lets companies make their own safety determinations.
A lawsuit by advocacy groups challenging the system is ongoing.

IS ‘BLOODY’ A LOOK OR A TASTE?

Unlike some other ingredients, new color additives have to be approved to be used in food. That led to a quibble between Impossible and regulators.

Impossible Foods has said the sole purpose of soy leghemoglobin is flavor. But the FDA noted the company’s own website said the ingredient contributes to the patties’ meat-like color. Impossible responded by removing such language, emails show.

The FDA still said soy leghemoglobin would need to be approved as a color additive for the uncooked meat substitute to be sold in supermarkets, since the red color would be part of the appeal.

The dispute was resolved after Impossible filed paperwork to get the ingredient approved as a color additive. The FDA approved that in July.

Beyond Meat’s patties, which have already been available in supermarkets, get their color from beet juice extract and their meaty taste from “natural flavors.”

Companies don’t have to specify what’s in them, but natural and artificial flavors are common in packaged foods. Natural flavors are also part of Impossible’s recipe.

Re: What makes "Impossible Meat" look like meat.

Imaoldhippie — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 17:44:25 GMT

Soon all food will be man made.

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mamaslittlepotato — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 17:53:27 GMT

Eww....I’ll stick with good old veggie burgers. Burger King makes a good one. I think they use Morningstar. I buy Dr. Praegers for home. Very delicious.

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bathina — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 17:57:07 GMT

I generally avoid red meat and chicken in my diet, but if I'm craving a 🍔, I'm having the real thing 🐄

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haddon9 — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 17:57:39 GMT

@mamaslittlepotato wrote:
Eww....I’ll stick with good old veggie burgers. Burger King makes a good one. I think they use Morningstar. I buy Dr. Praegers for home. Very delicious.

I agree! It sounds disgusting! What's the point? Either eat meat or not.

Why would you want a "burger" that's not meat to look & taste like one? Just have a veggie burger if you want to stay meatless.

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Bri369 — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 17:58:51 GMT

That sounds gross

I’ll take my veggies while. If I want a burger, I’ll take a real one

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Lucky Charm — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:01:22 GMT

@mamaslittlepotato wrote:
Eww....I’ll stick with good old veggie burgers. Burger King makes a good one. I think they use Morningstar. I buy Dr. Praegers for home. Very delicious.

@mamaslittlepotato

I believe Burger King uses the Impossible Burger.

tbh, if I had to make a choice, I'd rather a GMO blood than the real thing. <gag.

Re: What makes "Impossible Meat" look like meat.

Cakers3 — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:02:23 GMT

"Natural flavors" are not regulated. People see "natural flavors" and think all is healthy.

The only distinction is that natural flavors are either animal or plant derived, or both; even if derived from GMO products the label "natural" can still apply.

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Porcelain — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:07:03 GMT

It's just a different style of veggie burger. I think it's great. The yummier they can make these things, the more popular they will be.

ETA: I don't have a problem with meat. I just don't feel at ease about everything that goes into producing it. If I could have an authentic tasting steak or burger that didn't involve all that suffering etc, I would love it. I do still eat some meat these days in spite of everything, so I'm not pure about this at all.

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Group 5 minus 1 — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:05:56 GMT

I hate,hate, the taste of meat. Why would I want to eat something that tastes "just like a burger"?

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Nataliesgramma — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:09:38 GMT

I don't eat Frankenfood......

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mamaslittlepotato — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:28:58 GMT

@haddon9 Exactly!

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mamaslittlepotato — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:31:35 GMT

@Lucky Charm They probably do sell the impossible burger but they definitely had veggie burgers too; unless they discontinued them now? I don’t know, I haven’t had one in awhile from Burger King.

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AuntG — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:36:16 GMT

The secret sauce!

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chickenbutt — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:43:27 GMT

I don't even think it does, except how they do it for the beauty shots. I notice in the beauty shots they have also grilled all around the edges. Yet, at one of the boards I frequent, numerous friends in the community have posted pics from the ones they ordered and they don't look like that at all.

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Porcelain — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:48:39 GMT

Meh. If someone posted a detailed article about natural meat's blood hemoglobin and fibrous connective tissue and muscle fascia and fat globules, or worse--something about pink slime-- we'd be grossed out by that too.

What makes a burger "meat" vs a disc of chickpeas and textured gluten is a worthy and important topic for food scientists to figure out. I'm glad they're working on it.

(And I have to say Quorn is gross. Never put it in chili. We did that last week and it was hard to make myself eat it.)

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cherry — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:53:12 GMT

Sounds gross. I will never eat this stuff

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jackthebear — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:56:22 GMT

@Imaoldhippie wrote:
Soon all food will be man made.

too lazy to look for Soylent Green meme, but you get my point

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QueenDanceALot — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 19:12:44 GMT

@Porcelain wrote:
Meh. If someone posted a detailed article about natural meat's blood hemoglobin and fibrous connective tissue and muscle fascia and fat globules, or worse--something about pink slime-- we'd be grossed out by that too.

What makes a burger "meat" vs a disc of chickpeas and textured gluten is a worthy and important topic for food scientists to figure out. I'm glad they're working on it.

(And I have to say Quorn is gross. Never put it in chili. We did that last week and it was hard to make myself eat it.)

While the Impossible Burger sounds gross, it doesn't sound any grosser than this.

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CelticCrafter — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 19:24:53 GMT

What I don't understand - if you don't eat meat and want to stop someplace to eat why would anyone stop at Burger King for a meatless patty on a roll?