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KEVIN SPACEY TRIAL

Tinkrbl44 — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 17:30:39 GMT

First ... let me be clear .... I'm not a fan of Kevin Spacey's, nor do I think there should ever be leniency with sexual assault.

However ..... this sounds like a grifter's scam to me. This mother comes forward looking like Mother Teresa, claimimg her poor child was assaulted in a room full of people .... and instead of saying something or just walking away, he decided to video some fondling and stood there for more than 3 minutes! He was 18 at the time, but told KS he was 23.

Does this thing smell fishy to anyone else?

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Glitter51 — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 17:35:59 GMT

Kevin Spacey is creepy to me, I definitely don’t condone sexual assault and he should be punished BUT the guy lied about his age and videotaped the assault. Sounds like the mom is trying to make a fast buck from a bad situation. The guy should be held accountable for lying about his age , while Kevin spacey was just trying to hook up with him.

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blueroses47 — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 17:42:03 GMT

Well, first I will say that I was a fan of Kevin Spacey, as an actor of course, since I know nothing about him as a human being. But I loved his acting, and a few interviews I saw with him made him look like a funny person, he told amusing anecdotes. He also was supposedly a good friend of Judi Densch, and she seems like a nice enough woman.

So, when all the negative stuff came out about him, I was disappointed. I try to keep an open mind about this kind of thing, and apparently from what others who knew him chimed in with,he is kind of a weird character in ways.

I agree with you though, that this story sounds questionable. The fact is, none of us knows exactly what happened and we never will.

I thought it was sad that in a world where you are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty, just an accusation can ruin an entire career, and really an entire life.

I just keep reminding myself, I cannot know for sure what happened in any of these cases. It's easy to want to believe something negative about someone if we don't like them to begin with. You just have to try to remain objective and not get caught up in a witch-hunt kind of thinking.

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spiderw — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 17:48:54 GMT

Unfortunately and sadly for true victims, these type of allegations pop up in many sexual crimes and is often a result of greed and making money. I of course speak in general terms as I feel each and every sexual assault crime must be addressed. This particular case is questionable but that is up to the court to decide. In this anything goes world we live in, there are always people who will try to make money any way they can and make it bad for the legitimate cases. I don't know if this is applicable to Spacey's case but it doesn't erase the fact he is a predator.

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kare29 — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:02:11 GMT

You must have heard the conversation my husband and I had this morning before he went out the door. This young man's mom was a well known news anchor on one of our local stations in MA. Maybe that explains all the publicity.

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esmerelda — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:04:11 GMT

I still like KS and enjoy his acting.

Yes, this sounds ike a scam.

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Nancy Drew — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:16:23 GMT

Once I found out all the details coming out I am tending to believe this is an attempt to get money from the actor. I will keep up on the trial or process.

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chrystaltree — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:20:48 GMT

Yeah, sounds contrived to me. It was the mother, who at the time was a local tv anchor, who pushed the thing. Her son didn't even come foward for in the beginning. She held the press conference by herself. Not only did he film it but they had been drinking together for hours. It sounds to me like whatever happened was consensual....until Mommy found out.

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Carmie — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:29:09 GMT

This is not the first time Kevin Spacey has been accused of sexual assault. He has a history of this type of behavior.

There are over 30 complaints about him. Richard Dreyfuss's son accused him of inappropriate touching that happened at the same time his father was in the room with them.

He is a sexual predator.

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Tinkrbl44 — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:26:13 GMT

@blueroses47 wrote:
Well, first I will say that I was a fan of Kevin Spacey, as an actor of course, since I know nothing about him as a human being. But I loved his acting, and a few interviews I saw with him made him look like a funny person, he told amusing anecdotes. He also was supposedly a good friend of Judi Densch, and she seems like a nice enough woman.

So, when all the negative stuff came out about him, I was disappointed. I try to keep an open mind about this kind of thing, and apparently from what others who knew him chimed in with,he is kind of a weird character in ways.

I agree with you though, that this story sounds questionable. The fact is, none of us knows exactly what happened and we never will.

I thought it was sad that in a world where you are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty, just an accusation can ruin an entire career, and really an entire life.

I just keep reminding myself, I cannot know for sure what happened in any of these cases. It's easy to want to believe something negative about someone if we don't like them to begin with. You just have to try to remain objective and not get caught up in a witch-hunt kind of thinking.

@blueroses47

People love to say that, but I don't see where this has happened. ONE accusation? Who did this happen to?

Someone makes a claim about an assault, and what happens next is an investigation ..... they are looking for a pattern of behavior. If no one else can be found, it's a "he said, she said" .... in many cases. Even if someone didn't report it to the police, they may have told their shrink ... or family ... or friends .... and that sets a timeline for them to follow.

Take creeps like Cosby or Weinstein ..... an accusation was made ..... and then other women started coming forward. If I'm not mistaken, Weinstein had more than 80 accusers, and Cosby had about 60 accusers.

Even for those that still want to give them the benefit of the doubt, when there's that much smoke, there's usually fire.

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Tinkrbl44 — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:33:57 GMT

@Carmie wrote:
This is not the first time Kevin Spacey has been accused of sexual assault. He has a history of this type of behavior.

Maybe he will learn to keep his hands to himself, so there are no more accusations.

@Carmie

Apples and oranges here, IMO.

Yes, he has had other accusers, but that doesn't automatically mean he wasn't scammed this time. He was in a room full of people, and had the ability to leave at any time ... but he didn't. He videotaped it. Do people who are trying to stop sexual assault do this? Is this how YOU would react to unwelcome advances?

It sounds like the "victim" was trying to extend the length of the "assault" so he had a good video.

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occasionalrain — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:36:31 GMT

Entrapment

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Carmie — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:51:34 GMT

@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@Carmie wrote:
This is not the first time Kevin Spacey has been accused of sexual assault. He has a history of this type of behavior.

Maybe he will learn to keep his hands to himself, so there are no more accusations.

@Carmie

Apples and oranges here, IMO.

Yes, he has had other accusers, but that doesn't automatically mean he wasn't scammed this time. He was in a room full of people, and had the ability to leave at any time ... but he didn't. He videotaped it. Do people who are trying to stop sexual assault do this? Is this how YOU would react to unwelcome advances?

It sounds like the "victim" was trying to extend the length of the "assault" so he had a good video.

Personally, I don't care if it was entrapment this time around. He has assulted many men and even a few women in his lifetime. He was banned from the Old Vic Theatre for verbally and sexually assulting young men for years.

He is a predator and I will be glad to have him stop this behavior. How can you entrap him for assulting a teen? It is illegal....period, to touch an underaged person.

Most of his victims were over 18, but this time he screwed up with an underage kid.

How I would handle it as an adult or as an underage child? There is a BIG difference.

I know no one could entrap me with this type of behavior, because I keep my hands to myself. No matter how or why...he got caught this time and he will probably have to pay by doing jail time and being labeled a child predator if found guilty.

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occasionalrain — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 18:59:20 GMT

The young man was 18 but told Spacey he was 23. Either way, not underage. Why would he lie about his age if he didn't want to prolong the encounter? We also don't know what this man said to Spacey, did he indicate an interest in something more? He lied about his age, what else is he lying about?

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Peaches McPhee — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 19:00:34 GMT

@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@blueroses47 wrote:

I thought it was sad that in a world where you are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty, just an accusation can ruin an entire career, and really an entire life.

@blueroses47

People love to say that, but I don't see where this has happened. ONE accusation? Who did this happen to?

This has happened, though. I don't remember the school involved, but several years ago, a woman claimed rape by several members of a school sports team. It was later proven false. That allegation ruined the lives of the boys involved, at least at that time. Anyone remember more details of this? It was heavily in the media at the time.

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lulu1 — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 19:06:13 GMT

@occasionalrain wrote:
The young man was 18 but told Spacey he was 23. Either way, not underage. Why would he lie about his age if he didn't want to prolong the encounter? We also don't know what this man said to Spacey, did he indicate an interest in something more? He lied about his age, what else is he lying about?

I read he lied about his age because the encounter was in a bar and alcohol was involved.

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Carmie — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 19:14:37 GMT

@occasionalrain wrote:
The young man was 18 but told Spacey he was 23. Either way, not underage. Why would he lie about his age if he didn't want to prolong the encounter? We also don't know what this man said to Spacey, did he indicate an interest in something more? He lied about his age, what else is he lying about?

You are correct, he is being charged with assulting an 18 year old this time. He also assulted Richard Dreyfuss's Son when he was 18 as well.

He has been accused of assaulting a 14 year old in the past. I mixed the two incidents up.

I don't think it really matters much how old your Victim is or their gender. No one has the right to touch you inapproperiately. At 18 years old, I am sure anyone would be embarrassed if this happened to them and would not know how to react.

No one who is innocent should be accused or prosecuted, but with Kevin's history, he doesnot appear to be innocent. He has been assulting people for years.

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Sweet_Serenity — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 19:23:04 GMT

Kevin Spacey's latest video shows a glimpse into his warped twisted perverted mind. Make no mistake! He is a sexual predator. His career is over. For that I'm thankful. Most sexual perps are narcissistic to the extreme. Kevin Spacey is this type of perverted overblown egomaniac.

John Walsh long ago explained sexual predators cannot be rehabilitated and trusted back in society. Bravo! Seeing Bill Cosby and such monsters brought to justice, and reputations ruined by their own devious behavior.

Pray for the victims.

Edited: Animals for Monsters.

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Carmie — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 19:19:13 GMT

@Peaches McPhee wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@blueroses47 wrote:

I thought it was sad that in a world where you are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty, just an accusation can ruin an entire career, and really an entire life.

@blueroses47

People love to say that, but I don't see where this has happened. ONE accusation? Who did this happen to?

This has happened, though. I don't remember the school involved, but several years ago, a woman claimed rape by several members of a school sports team. It was later proven false. That allegation ruined the lives of the boys involved, at least at that time. Anyone remember more details of this? It was heavily in the media at the time.

I remember it. It was awful for those young men.

People do lie, always have and always will. Most people who are molested don't report it at all, so these perverts get away with this behavior for years. Only after someone speaks up do the other victims come forward.

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Marp — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 19:19:17 GMT

@lulu1 wrote:
@occasionalrain wrote:
The young man was 18 but told Spacey he was 23. Either way, not underage. Why would he lie about his age if he didn't want to prolong the encounter? We also don't know what this man said to Spacey, did he indicate an interest in something more? He lied about his age, what else is he lying about?

I read he lied about his age because the encounter was in a bar and alcohol was involved.

Which in an of itself lends credence to believing the guy was at least 21 the legal drinking age in MA.

Has the bar been sued and if not why not. At the very least they served an underage drinker and at worst was contributory to any assault that occurred by serving an underage drinker.