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Which Camp Are You In

CrazyKittyLvr2 — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:17:06 GMT

Years ago on one of the daytimes shows they had a man on who had been traveling to a city he had never been to before He went into a McDonalds and a little kid starting choking, he did Heimlich and saved her. They brought her out too. Everyone in audiance said it was a miracle.

OK, what if this happened.

Same scenerio, he walked in same McDonaldsin the same strange city and he got killed during a robbery. People wouldn't be calling it a miracle. People would say he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

What camp are you, miracle or right place at right time.

I'm right place at right time camp. There are a ton of unexplained things in life but I'm not ready to say miracles.

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Sooner — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:30:25 GMT

I absolutely positively do believe in miracles. God has blessed us with them in my lifetime.

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chrystaltree — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:32:27 GMT

The right person just coincidentally happened to be in the place where he was needed. I believe there are miracles in this world but they are few and far between. That situation was not a miracle.

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Tinkrbl44 — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:51:59 GMT

I really can't say I'm in either "camp". Both of these things happen every day in this country.

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drizzellla — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 16:58:50 GMT

I think my husband is a miracle. One December 1, 2018, my husband walked up a mountain. He felt ill and pain when he got to the top. And lost his breakfast. So he walked down the mountain. He was in such pain that when he got to the bottom of the mountain, he laid on the ground.

My husband was unable to contact his buddy via walkie talkie because his buddy did not have his walkie talkie turned on.

A stranger happened to see my husband and drove my husband back to the cabin. Fortunately, another buddy was at the cabin and drove next door to a neighbor who had a land line. Cell phones don't work in that area.

The neighbor called an ambulance. The ambulance took my husband to the hospital. They immediately operated on him and inserted a stent into his 100% blocked artery.

Two day later my husband had heart attack #2. Fortunately he was in the hospital, so they performed CPR and paddled him with a defibrillator for 4 minutes until he became conscious.

So many events worked in his favor. On a Saturday morning how many heart surgeons are at the small local hospital. The town is in upstate Pennsylvania near the New York border. The fact that my husband encountered a stranger at the bottom of a mountain. And someone was home at the cabin to go call for help.

It was all a miracle to me. And he is out today enjoying lunch with his brothers.

Re: Which Camp Are You In

BirkiLady — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:08:53 GMT

Sounds like either you are a believer or you are not a believer. Is that the real question you are asking @CrazyKittyLvr2? If so, I'm not participating in this discussion since it goes against the rules of the Forum.

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Oznell — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:05:30 GMT

So glad to hear your husband's OK after all that, @drizzellla. Wonderful!

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jubilant — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:13:06 GMT

I believe in miracles but I also believe there is a time to live and a time to die. If it's your time....it's your time.

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occasionalrain — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:18:08 GMT

Far from a miracle, just good luck. A miracle is something that cannot be explained, that should not happen.

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Cakers3 — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:34:09 GMT

@jubilant wrote:
I believe in miracles but I also believe there is a time to live and a time to die. If it's your time....it's your time.

@jubilant I agree but:

in the case of the man being killed at McD's-I question if it was his time.

I think our time is destined; that we have tasks to accomplish before our time is up.

When another person interferes with that destiny, such as killing another human being, then it is quite possible that the universal plan for the victim was distrupted-that whatever accomplishments he might have attained for the good of himself, his family, the world-will now not come to pass.

i don't think it was a miracle that the little child was saved; I believe it wasn't her time and he was placed there to make sure whatever destiny that child has will continue.

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occasionalrain — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:37:29 GMT

@BirkiLady wrote:
Sounds like either you are a believer or you are not a believer. Is that the real question you are asking @CrazyKittyLvr2? If so, I'm not participating in this discussion since it goes against the rules of the Forum.

The OP is assuming those responding believe in miracles. The question is whether this incident is or isn't one. Has nothing to do with religion.

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CrazyKittyLvr2 — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:01:23 GMT

I did not mean this in any religious sense. Also, I agree with person who mentioned destiny is the word I believed she used. I think you are alotted x amount of days when you are born and when you number is up that's it. Someone I know never let sugar or an ounce of fat pass his lips. Said he was going to live to 100. I told him when his time came not eating a french fry wouldn't matter he's get hit by a bus or trip on the cat and fall down the stairs.

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suzyQ3 — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:03:41 GMT

I do not believe in miracles; I do believe in very fortunate occurrences.

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Marp — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:15:06 GMT

Why does it have to be an either/or?

Being in the right place at the right time can in itself be a miracle.

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sidsmom — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:22:56 GMT

@CrazyKittyLvr2 wrote:
I think you are alotted x amount of days when you are born and when you number is up that's it.

If true, then why falsify your existence with drugs & medications?

In the scenario of girl choking, we should just all let her choke to

death since her time was up?

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Marp — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:37:41 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
@CrazyKittyLvr2 wrote:
I think you are alotted x amount of days when you are born and when you number is up that's it.
If true, then why falsify your existence with drugs & medications?
In the scenario of girl choking, we should just all let her choke to
death since her time was up?

If her time was truly up attempts to save her would not have worked.

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CrazyKittyLvr2 — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:43:02 GMT

@sidsmom Sadly, in spite of medical intervention people do die. It was their time. As to the little girl it wasn't her time. I never said you should just give up on ill people or someone in danger. No one knows what any outcome will be but you do what you can. Sometimes it's successful sometimes not.

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hellie jo — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:44:14 GMT

Having worked in a hospital I have seen people die that were doing fine but died and people that had horrendous odds to make it, live.I believe you have a "time to die" but of course don't know when that time is.I just don't want to be on that plane when it's the pilots "time". I don't think doing the Heimlich was a miracle, however I do beleive in miracles but are few and far between.

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suzyQ3 — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:11:13 GMT

Perhaps we all define "miracle" differently. I think of it as the first definition here, so that is the reason that I don't believe in miracles. And as you can see from the first definition, there is a religious overtone.

mir·a·cle

/ˈmirək(ə)l/

noun

noun: miracle; plural noun: miracles

a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.
"the miracle of rising from the grave"
synonyms: wonder, marvel, sensation, phenomenon, supernatural phenomenon, mystery
"his recovery was a blessed miracle"
a highly improbable or extraordinary event, development, or accomplishment that brings very welcome consequences.
"it was a miracle that more people hadn't been killed or injured"
an amazing product or achievement, or an outstanding example of something.
"a machine which was a miracle of design"
synonyms: wonder, marvel, sensation, phenomenon, supernatural phenomenon, mystery
"his recovery was a blessed miracle"

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suzyQ3 — Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:13:21 GMT

@suzyQ3 wrote:
Perhaps we all define "miracle" differently. I think of it as the first definition here, so that is the reason that I don't believe in miracles. And as you can see from the first definition, there is a religious overtone.

mir·a·cle
/ˈmirək(ə)l/
noun
noun: miracle; plural noun: miracles
a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.
"the miracle of rising from the grave"
synonyms: wonder, marvel, sensation, phenomenon, supernatural phenomenon, mystery
"his recovery was a blessed miracle"
a highly improbable or extraordinary event, development, or accomplishment that brings very welcome consequences.
"it was a miracle that more people hadn't been killed or injured"
an amazing product or achievement, or an outstanding example of something.
"a machine which was a miracle of design"
synonyms: wonder, marvel, sensation, phenomenon, supernatural phenomenon, mystery
"his recovery was a blessed miracle"

I should have added that I also do not believe that the actual time of our death is preordained.