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Another Florida Shooting

chessylady — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:15:22 GMT

4 dead, 11 injured in Jacksonville. Looks like thoughts and prayers are not working. Too much gun violence in this country.

Re: Another Florida Shooting

Nancy Drew — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:17:30 GMT

Time for anger management and conflict resolution and how to prevent entitlement. As we have always had guns.

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sidsmom — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:22:25 GMT

‘...conflict resolution.’

Riiiiight. They should just all go to Starbucks & discuss it.

(sarcasm)

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QueenDanceALot — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:25:31 GMT

@Nancy Drew wrote:
Time for anger management and conflict resolution and how to prevent entitlement. As we have always had guns.

"How to prevent entitlement"?

What does that mean exactly in this context?

And, really, seems there are lots of times that no one knows someone is in need of "anger management" or "conflict resolution" until they've killed someone. Or many people.

Re: Another Florida Shooting

Sweetbay magnolia — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:32:54 GMT

More guns than people in the US.

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blackhole99 — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:35:48 GMT

I was in a local chain store last week and noticed that a young man was carrying a holstered gun on his belt. I did not realize open carry was even legal in my state. After the man left I asked the clerk if the store owner was in the store and she said yes, he was in the office. I asked her to tell him I wanted to speak with him. I told him I was not going to shop at his store anymore unless he put a sign on the door that guns were not allowed in the store. He told me that was my perrogative and I told him it's my perrogative to tell anyone who will listen that he allows guns in his store. We really need to take this problem on as citizens and not follow like sheep to the slaughter.

Re: Another Florida Shooting

Blahblahvampemer — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:44:06 GMT

@chessylady wrote:
4 dead, 11 injured in Jacksonville. Looks like thoughts and prayers are not working. Too much gun violence in this country.

Not shocking as our society has been purposely trashed culturally. Think about the 2-2.5 million people who use a gun to stop a crime each year (per the CDC gun study), or the fact that Britain has over 4x our "violent crime" rate per 100,000 population. The psychos and criminals will pay.

Re: Another Florida Shooting

Zhills — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:45:10 GMT

@blackhole99It is not the man with a gun secured on his belt that you need to fear. It is the illegal guns that all the laws in the world cannot control!

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Vivian — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:45:56 GMT

I am sick of this! Innocent people are being shot to death, many of them young. Do we not have a right to live a normal life, a long life? Being cut down in one’s prime is an abomination. I have my opinions about this but don’t want to get zapped.

Re: Another Florida Shooting

Puppy Lips — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:49:17 GMT

@blackhole99 wrote:
I was in a local chain store last week and noticed that a young man was carrying a holstered gun on his belt. I did not realize open carry was even legal in my state. After the man left I asked the clerk if the store owner was in the store and she said yes, he was in the office. I asked her to tell him I wanted to speak with him. I told him I was not going to shop at his store anymore unless he put a sign on the door that guns were not allowed in the store. He told me that was my perrogative and I told him it's my perrogative to tell anyone who will listen that he allows guns in his store. We really need to take this problem on as citizens and not follow like sheep to the slaughter.

On the other hand, he could be the one to save your soul if he and a mad shooter were in the store at the same time.

Re: Another Florida Shooting

grammarqueen — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:49:47 GMT

My sisters live in Jacksonville, and my younger sister just posted about it on Facebook. It is at Jacksonville Landing, during a video game tournament, so I fear it will be young people affected.

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blackhole99 — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:53:10 GMT

@ZhillsI don't agree with that thinking, I don't know how that gun toter will react in a situation, he's not in law enforcement. Even the cops make big mistakes doing their job. I think it's more of a macho thing with guys and open carry.

Re: Another Florida Shooting

ROMARY — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:53:50 GMT

For many years I've (often) been asking how the Wild Wild West had been turned around into a more civilized era (for a decent period of time).

Nobody, so far, has been able to answer my question.

I'm still asking....

Re: Another Florida Shooting

QueenDanceALot — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:55:50 GMT

@Sweetbay magnolia wrote:
More guns than people in the US.

Twice as many, per capita, than there were in 1968.

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MorningLover — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:57:20 GMT

Reports saying the Jacksonville gunman who opened fire

at Madden tournament 'was gamer who had lost'.

Re: Another Florida Shooting

dooBdoo — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 23:09:22 GMT

@Blahblahvampemer wrote:
@chessylady wrote:
4 dead, 11 injured in Jacksonville. Looks like thoughts and prayers are not working. Too much gun violence in this country.
Not shocking as our society has been purposely trashed culturally. Think about the 2-2.5 million people who use a gun to stop a crime each year (per the CDC gun study), or the fact that Britain has over 4x our "violent crime" rate per 100,000 population. The psychos and criminals will pay.

In all fairness, though, those "statistics" are old, misleading, incomplete and have been debunked many times, online and here in the forums again and again -- easy to find on the internet with a few searches. For example, the first numbers come from a 1995 study (discussed in a recent article with sources cited: npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense) and the second one is problematic since the definition of crimes in the different countries is significantly different so the comparisons aren't meaningful (one example of a discussion of this with sources cited: politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/24/blog-posting/social-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/).

BTW: if anyone doesn't like these sources, I can understand and accept that, but there are many others -- I just wanted to give an example of the problem we have in using one-liner statistics for such a complex and serious issue. If we are to have this discussion, it's so much better to do so with complete information... although we really don't have it since it's difficult to collect this kind of data -- perhaps that would be a good place to start working on a solution.

Re: Another Florida Shooting

sidsmom — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:01:51 GMT

@Zhills wrote:
@blackhole99It is not the man with a gun secured on his belt that you need to fear.

....because wearing an AR-15 on the hip would be too uncomfortable.

(sarcasm)

Most mass shooters ARE legal gun owners.

Re: Another Florida Shooting

ROMARY — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:03:15 GMT

p.s. 'On the other hand', many, many years ago when I visited London, there were police who were called 'Bobbies'. They only carried wooden batons (or whatever they were called). No guns.

I'd like to know what happened when and how 'things changed'.

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SXMGirl — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:05:07 GMT

It is unfortunate that in our country, as well as some others, that conflict, whether real or imagined, is settled with a gun instead of talking it out. I do not see that changing unless we get over everything being too politically correct and trying to make all people think exactly the same way. We are and should be a country of differences, and that is what needs to be accepted by everyone.

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QueenDanceALot — Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:07:12 GMT

@sidsmom wrote:
@Zhills wrote:
@blackhole99It is not the man with a gun secured on his belt that you need to fear.
....because wearing an AR-15 on the hip would be too uncomfortable.
(sarcasm)
Most mass shooters ARE legal gun owners.

Well, that's inconvenient.