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Knife Control

Isobel Archer — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 12:28:00 GMT

Due to the increasing number of stabbings in London, they are cracking down on knives.

NO home deliveries of knives are allowed. Police can now stop and search anyone they believe may be carrying a knife.

London's mayor Khan tweeted: "No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught and they will feel the full force of the law."

Interestingly Khan previously stopped stop and frisk activities as he deemed them "racist" and "Islamophobic."

Parliament is being asked to consider harsh knife laws - including prohibiting all online sales of knives.

This is in response to an increase in murders in London - which now surpasses those in New York City

First guns - now knives. What will be next?

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cherry — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:01:38 GMT

I hope it's acid. Women and men, have been brutally attacked with it

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Eileen in Virginia — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 12:46:20 GMT

So, if you can’t carry a knife and they want to ban online knife sales, how are you supposed to equip your kitchen? If I have my knives sharpened at my favorite kitchen store, do I need a pass to get them there and home? Not to make light of their problem, but they need to give this more thought.

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Isobel Archer — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 12:46:34 GMT

Home deliveries of acid are banned now too. Not sure exactly what that includes.

Interestingly, the article didn't say that knife - or acid - sales in stores are now banned. And I don't know how the new rules will affect restaurant owners - or even those who cook at home - who may need to replace knives.

It's definitely an interesting development.

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Isobel Archer — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 12:47:14 GMT

@Eileen in Virginia wrote:
So, if you can’t carry a knife and they want to ban online knife , how are you supposed to equip your kitchen? If I have my knives sharpened at my favorite kitchen store, do I need a pass to get them there and home? Not to make light of their problem, but they need to give this more thought.

Yes, I wondered that too.

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Oznell — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:05:47 GMT

I saw that item also, @Isobel Archer, and wondered about the far-reaching implications. I wonder about pocket knives and Scout-type knives. There is an element of what I would call "bossy", nanny-state micro-management in British life, and also Canadian life (with which I am more intimately familiar.)

There are many ways to approach safety and security, and these approaches seem to focus most intensely on only one aspect, to the neglect of others, I believe.

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cherry — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:06:28 GMT

from the Guardian

Young people who commit violence offences should be banned from using social media such as YouTube, Snapchat and Instagram, according to the chair of the all-party parliamentary group on knife crime.

Speaking before the launch of the government’s new serious violence strategy, the MP Sarah Jones urged the extension of criminal behaviour orders (CBOs) to give courts the power to ban individuals from using social media.

Senior officers are concerned that online content on YouTube and other sites is helping fuel the current knife crime and gun epidemic – last month was the bloodiest in London for nearly a decade. Yet tech companies are refusing to remove some content despite requests from the police.

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Carmie — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:11:51 GMT

I just read where their gun crime rate has gone up 42% too and the country does not allow citizens to own or carry guns.

No matter how hard they try to enforce them, criminals ignore them. Only the good honest citizens obey the laws and they have no way to protect themselves from the criminals.

It makes you wonder, what the heck is wrong with people? Our world is not a safe place, anywhere.

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SahmIam — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:33:54 GMT

If you want or need sharp knives, you drive to a store and buy them. People did this all the time before online ordering so, no big deal.

Steak knives are not found in public eateries. Scissors are not found in schools, btw. There is a movement to bring back "dangerous play" at schools and playgrounds (climbing trees, building with planks and bricks, etc) to counteract all the safety measures the UK took over the years.

Bottom line: if a person wants to harm someone, they WILL find a way. Anything can be made into a deadly object with the intent to harm. Anything.

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Isobel Archer — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 14:21:31 GMT

You wonder how far this will go. They receently arrested a homeowner for the stabbing death of a burglar. They now are dropping the charges - although there may be a civil trial. In this case it was a screwdriver - which actually belonged to the burglar who attacked the homeowner and got the worst of it.

But the very fact that they arrested the homeowner originally - and now will allow a civil proceeding against him - really makes you wonder what rights people can expect to exercise at all. Apparently even clear self defense in your own home is subject to question.

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SahmIam — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 14:33:00 GMT

@Isobel Archer This happens in the US as well.

The UK does not have a great reputation for protecting the rights of the homeowner or the people, in many cases, when violence occurs. As time goes on, it will be interesting if their laws, policies and attitudes change.

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Isobel Archer — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 14:46:31 GMT

@SahmIam

Yes, in the U.S. - can you imagine if the homeowner had shot the burglar attacking him with a screwdriver. The uproar and outrage that would ensue. Even tho - clearly - a screwdriver can be a deadly weapon, the use of a gun against it would be seen as a crime against humanity or something.

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YorkieonmyPillow — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 14:54:26 GMT

Closing the barn door after the horse has already escaped.

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SahmIam — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 15:12:36 GMT

@Isobel Archer Very true.

What it comes down to is intent. If you shoot or hit someone showing that their body was positioned away from you, the prosecutor can/will argue that they were running away and not a threat. Oh really? In my personal experience, the person was turning to pick up something with intent to kill, so an action took place before that could happen. It's that broad-stroking that causes situations like this to arise as well as the question:

Does a person have the right to defend, if not kill, someone who has entered their home WITHOUT invite?

If you come into my house at night, while I'm sleeping, via a broken back door and window...it's pretty safe to say that you were NOT invited and you're NOT there for a tea party. That said, if I do something to that person, I can be the one going to jail.

Often, the law has nothing to do with common sense. That is where people get in trouble when they think XYZ should happen in a situation. Guess what? You're wrong. Scary stuff.

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Maggie Nolia — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 15:26:58 GMT

But he hasn't banned vehicles. Go figure.

David slew Goliath with a rock.

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esmeraldagooch — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 16:23:31 GMT

@Isobel Archer wrote:
Due to the increasing number of stabbings in London, they are cracking down on knives.

NO home deliveries of knives are allowed. Police can now stop and search anyone they believe may be carrying a knife.

London's mayor Khan tweeted: "No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught and they will feel the full force of the law."

Interestingly Khan previously stopped stop and frisk activities as he deemed them "racist" and "Islamophobic."

Parliament is being asked to consider harsh knife laws - including prohibiting all online sales of knives.

This is in response to an increase in murders in London - which now surpasses those in New York City

First guns - now knives. What will be next?

In the same article I read, Acid was now restricted also.

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QueenDanceALot — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 16:25:57 GMT

@SahmIam wrote:
If you want or need sharp knives, you drive to a store and buy them. People did this all the time before online ordering so, no big deal.

Steak knives are not found in public eateries. Scissors are not found in schools, btw. There is a movement to bring back "dangerous play" at schools and playgrounds (climbing trees, building with planks and bricks, etc) to counteract all the safety measures the UK took over the years.

Bottom line: if a person wants to harm someone, they WILL find a way. Anything can be made into a deadly object with the intent to harm. Anything.

I was just wondering how I could make my cat's spongey soccer ball toys (as I was just tossing him several) into deadly objects.

I don't think I could. And my toothbrush which I just used, nope, not that either.

So, no, not anything. And that's just 2 items I came in contact with in the past 20 minutes.

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QueenDanceALot — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 16:38:54 GMT

NYC doesn't even have one of the highest murder rates in the country, so comparing London's murder rate to NYC isn't really the OMG that some people would like to think.

NYC doesn't even show up in the top 30 currently.

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Tyak — Mon, 09 Apr 2018 16:44:37 GMT

@Isobel Archer wrote:
Due to the increasing number of stabbings in London, they are cracking down on knives.

NO home deliveries of knives are allowed. Police can now stop and search anyone they believe may be carrying a knife.

London's mayor Khan tweeted: "No excuses: There is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught and they will feel the full force of the law."

Interestingly Khan previously stopped stop and frisk activities as he deemed them "racist" and "Islamophobic."

Parliament is being asked to consider harsh knife laws - including prohibiting all online sales of knives.

This is in response to an increase in murders in London - which now surpasses those in New York City

First guns - now knives. What will be next?

The fool mayor's next target might have to be forks, they can do damage, too.